Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[didelphigina]

Someone showed this in a Discord server I'm in and thought it was pretty funny.

I hate to admit it but I did like the music video, for both the singing and eye candy visuals.

Of course, it was before I had critical thinking skills and was still new and ignorant to the series and its problems.

 

[King Metalia]

If I remember correctly, I believe Vox did beat him in a fight before Alastor disappeared for seven years in the comic. So I guess he technically dud take him down a peg? Or not, if the comic is not considered canon anymore. I don't fucking know.

Well Adam fucking destroyed him that he had to run away


Its implied Vox did beat him, but its imlied that Alastor "almost beat" him so I am going to guess Alastor got jumped before he disappeared.

Part of me still hopes that one day we'll see Alastor lose badly enough that he frowns. That's the kind of defeat I'm talking about.

You can clearly tell which characters Viz hates the most, whether it's because they get in the way of the cast or the fans love them more than she expected.


Stella ofc, but also Millie. She dedicates 2 episodes making her bf a pansy and depicting them hating each other, contrary to the perfect couple they were in s1.

I think your right about Viv disliking certain characters. My question is why would Viv or any creator put a creation they don't like in their own series.

 

[Edgeworth]

I think your right about Viv disliking certain characters. My question is why would Viv or any creator put a creation they don't like in their own series.

To fill a quota. If Viv (or anyone else who creates content) leaves out certain demographics or character archetypes, then they'll be accused of being -ist or -phobic. Apparently shoehorning in a character archetype only for them to be ineffectual, non-characters or only around to support the characters the creator likes and would rather focus on is better than just biting the bullet and not including those characters in the first place, even at the risk of not attracting as wide an audience as possible.

 

[LucasSomething]

Stella reminds me of Adam from rwby to an almost eerie degree. He was antagonist with a good point, a victim of racial abuse and the implication that he wasnt always violent. But the writers wanted to ship Yang/Blake together, so they turned him into an abusive ex-boyfriend who fucking loves killing and literally says out loud he has no other purpose in life beyond hurting Blake. He's then killed by both blake and yang.

Funny enough, there were also a lot of cries of him being retconned even back in season 3 but defenders insisted he never had enough screentime to call a retcon. As time went by, it became clear that Adam died in order to push blake/yang and even in the director cuts, the writers made jokes about his face scar (that had to be from torture), showing how much they hate him. No one in team rwby ever shows empathy to Adam but they forgave 2 sad lesbians who almost killed them.

Do i think Vivzie hate Stella? oh yes but at least not this much, which to be fair is an extreme example. Stella still has funny scenes and sexy merch so Vivzie probably won't kill stella anytime soon, but the sheer lack of empathy is there. It would be so easy to throw her a bone but Vivzie refuses, Stella is just a tool to make Stolas sad on demand.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Being a Stella Apologist is morally correct because Stolas is a cheating son of a bitch with a victim complex.

You can clearly tell which characters Viz hates the most, whether it's because they get in the way of the cast or the fans love them more than she expected.


Stella ofc, but also Millie. She dedicates 2 episodes making her bf a pansy and depicting them hating each other, contrary to the perfect couple they were in s1.

Viv might as well kill Millie off at this point, she ain't that funny and there's clearly no plan to actually have her do anything noteworthy.

 

[Hammersmith]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I have stumbled upon the most insane and schizophrenic twitter thread I have ever seen.
I present to you:

ALASTOR, THE MAGICAL NEGRO

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Das rite crackas, say it with me:
ALASTORTHEMAGICALNEGRO

 

[LucasSomething]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I have stumbled upon the most insane and schizophrenic twitter thread I have ever seen.
I present to you:

ALASTOR, THE MAGICAL NEGRO
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This person doesnt even make sense. They say magical negros have "No history or life of their own" but Alastor absolutely has his own history, goals and relationships detached from Charlie. Somehow working for someone else doesnt mean anything and having ties to people outside the hotel... ties him back to being charlie's magical negro?

They also ignore Lucifer completely cause it would break the argument completely. They insist say alastor "gives sagely advice" but Alastor didnt help Charlie reconcile with her father, instead he instantly starts arguing with Lucifer for fun.

And "Alastor martyrs himself to redeem the hotel" is such a hilariously absurd interpretation of Alastor arrogantly picking a fight with Adam and being demolished. Alastor didnt even try to get anyone redeemed and told charlie it was a dumb dream from the start.

edit: >Rosie who has a thread here about falling under several jewish stereotypes

 

[Resident Knievel]

Dear @glass_houses

she not gon fuck u lil bro get off viv's dick

Clearly you don't understand what it means to be a hater. I've been doing this shit since day one. This shit ain't nothing to me man. I'm a true hater, and the only reason I need is the only reason I got: cause we fuckin wanna

 

[liam dees]

Would like to drop in and ask another question to the fanbase: What are your thoughts of the music in the shows? What songs would you have used as the soundtracks of HH/HB?

Personally I can't stand the clown music in the show. Here are some songs that I think would establish an appropriate tone for the fucked up, yet whimsical world of Hell.

P.S There's a lot of hiphop, sorry y'all
-not ordered, just songs I can think of

Gospel songs I like:
Like A Ship - Pastor T.L. Barrett
Nobody Knows - Pastor T.L. Barrett
(cut out the last 30 secs I don't think that fits...)
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Non hip-hop Instrumentals:
Cloud Dreams - Vince Guaraldi
Fly me to the Moon - Vince Guaraldi
Ready to Fly - Masayoshi Takanaka
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Rap tracks:
Oh Shit - Pharcyde
Ya Mama - Pharcyde
GAZILLION EAR - DOOM
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Hip-hop Instrumentals:
Just Landed - Force of Nature
judgement on - Force of Nature
death wish - Force of Nature
the million way of drum - Force of Nature
Steadfast - Nujabes
Beat laments the world - Nujabes
dead season - Nujabes
fly away - fat jon
Sirrah - fat jon
Feelin Good - Dilla (Lost Beat Recreation)
Track 10 KOB - Dilla ('93 til Tape), 88 Keys (Hidden Beat)
Track 05 - Dilla (Motown Tape)
Don't Cry - Dilla
Bye. - Dilla

As you can see way too many Hip-hop Instrumentals lol. Thoughts?

 

[Resident Knievel]

edit: >Rosie who has a thread here about falling under several jewish stereotypes

it's funnier if Viv is based like that lol

 

[Hammersmith]

Would like to drop in and ask another question to the fanbase: What are your thoughts of the music in the shows? What songs would you have used as the soundtracks of HH/HB?

I hate the music used in the show. They could've done a much better job than they did.

Here are some of the songs that, in my opinion, could fit (I literally can't describe what genre of music these are):

Spoiler: Music

I never considered these tracks as 'HH/HB music' or whatever, until I showed these songs to my friends, and 80% of them stated, 'It's like Hazbin Hotel!' (which mildly annoyed me lmao, but I can kinda understand where they're coming from after relistening). What do you guys think about these?

As you can see way too many Hip-hop Instrumentals lol. Thoughts?

Sorry man, I don't listen to hip-hop or rap at all, so I can't really say if they'd fit or not. Maybe someone else is more informed and can say what they think about your suggestions.

Gospel songs I like:
Like A Ship - Pastor T.L. Barrett
Nobody Knows - Pastor T.L. Barrett

Non hip-hop Instrumentals:
Cloud Dreams - Vince Guaraldi
Fly me to the Moon - Vince Guaraldi
Ready to Fly - Masayoshi Takanaka

Oh yeah, I can see these working perfectly for the show.

 

[ReceiveAndAsk]

I hate the music used in the show. They could've done a much better job than they did.

Here are some of the songs that, in my opinion, could fit (I literally can't describe what genre of music these are):

Spoiler: Music

I never considered these tracks as 'HH/HB music' or whatever, until I showed these songs to my friends, and 80% of them stated, 'It's like Hazbin Hotel!' (which mildly annoyed me lmao, but I can kinda understand where they're coming from after relistening). What do you guys think about these?


Sorry man, I don't listen to hip-hop or rap at all, so I can't really say if they'd fit or not. Maybe someone else is more informed and can say what they think about your suggestions.


Oh yeah, I can see these working perfectly for the show.

I just hear The Dear Hunter

 

[liam dees]

Here are some of the songs that, in my opinion, could fit (

This is what Hazbin Hotel shouls have used damn it! I can hear the similarity but it isn't "pozzed" like the soundtrack we actually got.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I have stumbled upon the most insane and schizophrenic twitter thread I have ever seen.
I present to you:

ALASTOR, THE MAGICAL NEGRO
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I really have no interest in reading all this, since the characters' race and/or ethnicity is very non-integral to the story. Yeah, Alastor is part creole but that's only because Viv had to say that so she wouldn't be accused of being racist (didn't really help though, didn't it). Vaggie was Latina and still might be since she does speak Spanish at one point in the Prime show, but because it was revealed she is an angel....well, unless the exorcists are revealed to have been human at one point, that makes no fucking sense. Nifty is Japanese-American, though you wouldn't know that unless you looked at the outside material. And at one point, Husk was going to be part Russian. But I'm assuming that was changed because Keith David is his VA, so if we ever get to see what Husk looked like when he was alive, he'll probably be black. Which if anything, is kind of racist, since they're basically saying that they're changing a supposedly white character to be black because his voice actor is now black.

 

[didelphigina]

I really have no interest in reading all this, since the characters' race and/or ethnicity is very non-integral to the story. Yeah, Alastor is part creole but that's only because Viv had to say that so she wouldn't be accused of being racist (didn't really help though, didn't it). Vaggie was Latina and still might be since she does speak Spanish at one point in the Prime show, but because it was revealed she is an angel....well, unless the exorcists are revealed to have been human at one point, that makes no fucking sense. Nifty is Japanese-American, though you wouldn't know that unless you looked at the outside material. And at one point, Husk was going to be part Russian. But I'm assuming that was changed because Keith David is his VA, so if we ever get to see what Husk looked like when he was alive, he'll probably be black. Which if anything, is kind of racist, since they're basically saying that they're changing a supposedly white character to be black because his voice actor is now black.

It's the same issue as the "Characters who don't look like the era they died in" one. There's no visual cues that LET US know what race these people used to be prior to their deaths. How're we supposed to know Niffty's Japanese-American? How're we supposed to know Alastor's part-creole? Give us clues, give us glimpse about their past lives! Have Niffty bring up her Japanese heritage, have Alastor talk about his experience in Louisiana - it doesn't have be long ones, too! Just small tidbits of dialogue can add a lot to a character if you know what you're doing.

EVERYONE TALKS AND ACT LIKE THEY'RE JUST AMERICAN AND NOT THEIR ACTUAL NATIONALITIES. WHERE'S THE SLANG, THE DIALECTS? Come on now woman!

All those years in art college, Vivziepop, and you couldn't give us any visual clues or dialogue that let us know of these characters nationalities and races WITHOUT us having to scuffle through your millions streams or your darn tweets to know??

 

[Edgeworth]

From what I can gather and care, the whole "Alastor is a magical negro" explanation is a cope to explain or justify why Alastor's a bad character. "No see he's poorly-written and recognised because he's entirely here to serve a narrative purpose to Charlie so he hasn't had a chance to be his own character!"

But that's not true. We all know it's not true. Alastor's just a bad character, poorly-written on his own terms. He doesn't need to be stapled to someone else's story to be considered a bad character, he comes that way on his own because he's a creator's pet.

Also obligatory whinging that the whole "voice actors must match the race/ethnicity of their characters" talking point is stupid and racist. Not saying anyone here has done that, I'm just speaking as a VA sperg who also considers VA to be the last bastion of truly getting to play the role of whoever based purely on talent.

 

[Tablet County]

EVERYONE TALKS AND ACT LIKE THEY'RE JUST AMERICAN AND NOT THEIR ACTUAL NATIONALITIES. WHERE'S THE SLANG, THE DIALECTS? Come on now woman!

Isn't Husk or whatever his name is Russian? I'd love to hear him call someone "сука".

 

[Doctor of Autism]

How're we supposed to know Alastor's part-creole? Give us clues, give us glimpse about their past lives! Have Niffty bring up her Japanese heritage, have Alastor talk about his experience in Louisiana - it doesn't have be long ones, too! Just small tidbits of dialogue can add a lot to a character if you know what you're doing.

I think they did this in the pilot with Alastor with him mentioning how he wants Jambalaya.

But the show weirdly does nothing with any of the characters heritages

Also obligatory whinging that the whole "voice actors must match the race/ethnicity of their characters" talking point is stupid and racist. Not saying anyone here has done that, I'm just speaking as a VA sperg who also considers VA to be the last bastion of truly getting to play the role of whoever based purely on talent.

This is further evidence that we need to crucify the Apu man for causing this bullshit to be an issue.

 

[liam dees]

Apu man

Apu man? More like Apu nehneh.

P.S: I have heard that word "apu nehneh" used casually in school a long time ago and never realised it was a racial slur for Indians. That's really funny. You guys should try using it to diversify from the usual poo in the loo and pajeet type insults.

 

[LucasSomething]

And at one point, Husk was going to be part Russian. But I'm assuming that was changed because Keith David is his VA, so if we ever get to see what Husk looked like when he was alive, he'll probably be black. Which if anything, is kind of racist, since they're basically saying that they're changing a supposedly white character to be black because his voice actor is now black.

I hope vivzie confirms Husk is black because that would make the whole slavery thing with alastor (who's also black) accidental funny.