Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[InJailOutSoon]

I was expecting to see scenes of the other characters celebrating "Sinsmas", or even a slideshow of still images but I guess I was expecting too much. It would be kind of nice to see how the other characters celebrate Sinsmas, but I guess we can't have that for our Christmas special.

 

[didelphigina]

Merry Christmas to y'all Kiwis. Burn sinsmas all the way to the depths of Hades. Have a good Kiwi night.

I was expecting to see scenes of the other characters celebrating "Sinsmas", or even a slideshow of still images but I guess I was expecting too much. It would be kind of nice to see how the other characters celebrate Sinsmas, but I guess we can't have that for our Christmas special.

Never be hopeful when it comes to Vivziepop expanding any character that isn't Stolas or a fan favorite she can pretend to expand upon (Millie). Another opportunity to show more of how the world of Viv's hell works but nope, nada. We get Stolas Defender #94855 and of course, Stolitz in the flesh.

I can smell the Christmas merch line.

 

[LucasSomething]

Someone on reddit pointed out that Stolas whining about food is nonsensical since we only ever see Stolas eat cereal, ice cream and drink alcohol but instead of being a criticism, it's fuel to headcanon that he's only pretending to like those things in order to make Blitzo like him (???).



It's just a dumb writing hole. Vivzie wanted the romcom trope of "Rich prince tastes normal food for first time and is weirded out" but forgot she already made stolas a "relatable disaster" who eats sugar junk on his sofa and downs full bottles while depressed.

Vivzie could trip and headbutt a wall and her fans would say the crack on the wall is not an accident but one of her masterful crafts.

The more I think about it, this "holiday" is pointless as these characters celebrate being sinful every day.

It's pointless the second it dropped. Blitzo says people "celebrate their birth sin! Or any sin, whichever ones they want honestly!" meaning you do whatever you want so who cares.

I'm also not sure how you celebrate envy. Every other sin has some type of catharsis but envy you just admit the other person is better than you. I guess you can do it ironically to a friend but if it's clear you're lying then you're simply being passive agressive.

 

[A Grey Cat]

The more I think about it, this "holiday" is pointless as these characters celebrate being sinful every day.

It was either come up with her own take on the holiday or acknowledge the irony that a LOT of "traditions" we have for Christmas are ironically pagan in origin. Everything from the tree to even the fact that it's celebrated in December just a week after the winter solstice when it's more likely jesus was born in March or spring.


But hey why have the demons of hell point out the irony with what is often considered the holiest of days in Christianity, when you can make up your own thing to slap on a tee shirt and sell to the masses. Sinsmas can be trademarked, the winter solstice can't.

 

[ssaneenah]

we only ever see Stolas eat cereal, ice cream and drink alcohol

I still can’t comprehend the depiction of Blitz as fit and skinny, even though he’s never seen working out or eating anything but carbs and sugar. He might have a six pack and huge metabolism, but he still needs to do something about his posture.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

>Traditional family have 5 sons and 1 daughter
>What did Viv means by this?

They got rid of the pooner daughter because it'll make the self-insert Sallie less interesting, remember that the only trait this character have is that he's a tranny, in a world where everyone is some flavours of queer, it means he's nothing beyond that.
Also lol at Millie who calls this character for that subject? Millie are you dumb? Call your mother, why they make it like Millie has suddenly daddy and mommy issues? Her mother is the perfect candidate for this situation, even in christmas she can be there for her daughter and help her through pregnancy (it's not like she's against abortion or can't give good advice for keeping or not the baby since she birthed 6 children).

Said Pooner Sister was essentially rehashed out because it was created by Erin Frost (The one who made Glitz and Glam's old designs, Wally Wackford's design and several other storyboard concepts before Raphielle. She's the one who made the brother.), Viv is selective transphobic, (Or a term called Trans Misogynistic) where she would favor Trannies (Or Troons) rather than Pooners, she's had a history of misgendering anyone who she claims is a piece of shit, I don't care personally but it's the reason why the Pooner daughter was removed and SALLIE is favored, it's because she likes Trannies and not Pooners. Hell the person Morgana is a tranny. (Morgana is also someone who thinks someone staring at his flat ass is sexual harassment, so this tranny is retarded.)

Edit: To expand on the Lilith Theology comment...

Spoiler: Lilith Rambles

Lilith was Adam's First Wife and due to her rebellion against Heaven she chose to go with Lucifer. As a punishment she was unable to have kids. In most folklore she's seen as the Mother of all, or rather a Demoness who attacks women in childbirth or during pregnancy. The most common knowledge of her theology is that she's unable to have children as per her punishment, and Viv has numerously said that Sinners cannot have children. Lilith and Lucifer are examples of Sinners. And b y her logic cannot have Charlie. Charlie is a Hellborn, but the two people who shat her out are sinners. Viv bent the rules in order for her Self Insert to come into existence. So there's no possible way Lilith can get pregnant unless she was a human before then, but in Overture I think she died falling into Hell or was turned into a Sinner.

 

[Tinnitus]

To expand on the Lilith Theology comment...

Spoiler: Lilith Rambles

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There might be a possibility that Eve birthed Charlie instead of Lilith?

Despite being Lilith's daughter she was quite subservient to the men she surrounded herself with.

Or considering the leaks where Emily recreated the egg bois for Pentious, Lucifer could have created Charlie for Lilith.

It's either
a. Lilith is not the mother
b. Charlie's goat pets are more like brothers to her
c. Vivzie never read up on Lilith and all she knows about her is from TBoI:Afterbirth

 

[InJailOutSoon]

It's pointless the second it dropped. Blitzo says people "celebrate their birth sin! Or any sin, whichever ones they want honestly!" meaning you do whatever you want so who cares.

So, they just do what they do every day. Because it's Hell.

But hey why have the demons of hell point out the irony with what is often considered the holiest of days in Christianity, when you can make up your own thing to slap on a tee shirt and sell to the masses. Sinsmas can be trademarked, the winter solstice can't.

Because Viv really doesn't want their to be a God in this universe. It's why she had it in Hazbin Hotel that the angels created Earth....but that seems like it's going to change since we're getting the Speaker of God in Season 2.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

There might be a possibility that Eve birthed Charlie instead of Lilith?

Despite being Lilith's daughter she was quite subservient to the men she surrounded herself with.

Or considering the leaks where Emily recreated the egg bois for Pentious, Lucifer could have created Charlie for Lilith.

It's either
a. Lilith is not the mother
b. Charlie's goat pets are more like brothers to her
c. Vivzie never read up on Lilith and all she knows about her is from TBoI:Afterbirth

It's probably C since Vivziepop is very loose with how faithful the Christian Mythology characters are.

Like the most accurate would be surface level information on their backstories and a few call backs here and there.

Ironically Vivzie probably put more research into the Ars Goetia.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

No you don't understand it's viv's cool and original idea, sinsmas, where they celebrate being sinful. It's like a dark, fucked up version of Christmas. Just a glimpse into her twisted mind.

Reminds me of the "Anti-Mass", or Black Mass, a abhorrent version of Mass. But I don't think Vivianne would know any better to look up for it:

A Black Mass is a ceremony celebrated by various Satanic groups. It has allegedly existed for centuries in different forms, and the modern form is intentionally a sacrilegious and blasphemous parody of a Catholic Mass.[1]

In the 19th century the Black Mass became popularized in French literature, in books such as Satanism and Witchcraft, by Jules Michelet, and Là-bas, by Joris-Karl Huysmans.

Modern revivals began with H. T. F. Rhodes' book The Satanic Mass published in London in 1954, and there is now a range of modern versions of the Black Mass performed by various groups.

More like NIGGER Mass, am I right?

 

[Gondolindrim]

"Quite a wait" means 3+ years in this day and age. I really don't see Helluva Boss lasting until 2028 if we're being serious, it barely survived it's second season. Once all the teens grow up and start interacting with actually well written media, I think Viv's hold will be broken.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

Ironically Vivzie probably put more research into the Ars Goetia.

Silly me, did you know she was into Theology because of going into a program at a young age for Bible Study?

 

[Retink Retunk]

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I haven't watched season 2 but did Octavia or Stella do any exceptionally fucked up? The hate seems to be there for both of them but in Season 1 things ended with Octavia being the classic kid dealing with her parent's divorce, and Stella wasn't exactly the best person but her husband was also cheating on her with a dude which is far worse than being a bit vapid.

 

[didelphigina]

I haven't watched season 2 but did Octavia or Stella do any exceptionally fucked up? The hate seems to be there for both of them but in Season 1 things ended with Octavia being the classic kid dealing with her parent's divorce, and Stella wasn't exactly the best person but her husband was also cheating on her with a dude which is far worse than being a bit vapid.

In terms of the fandom, Octavia was being a teenager and worrying for her father neglect her further and further. For Stella, she did mean things to him and called him a pathetic man. Oh, and hired a hitman who ended up being a comedic relief character than a villain at this point. Therefore, Stolas is a pure baby who dindu nuffin wrong and deserves all the praises and privileges while every other character gets sidelined and get the worst kind of development possible, if they even get development at all.

Stella is powerless. All she can do to Stolas is yell and throw stuff at him. Stolas can literally turn her into stone if he could but doesn't because... he's kind of heart or something. A rich dude who has everything in the world, coercing an imp who's basically the equivalent of a low income civilian barely getting by into sexual desires and the fandom ended up running with it like wild and treating Blitzo like he's the rich dude with all the benefits in the world.

In short, no, neither of them did anything terrible. The worst Stella did was hire a hitman but that means nothing when the villain just ended up getting retconned harder than the entirety of Season 2 itself. The worst Octavia did was just being a dang child.

 

[The tired cat]

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"Quite a wait" means 3+ years in this day and age. I really don't see Helluva Boss lasting until 2028 if we're being serious, it barely survived it's second season. Once all the teens grow up and start interacting with actually well written media, I think Viv's hold will be broken.

Honestly, I'd say she already ain't doing hot on numbers. Like, the latest ep got at the moment to 9.7 million and been up for 4 days, Digital Circus ep 4 already is at 50 mil being up for 10 days. Now, both shows are different in terms of story, characters and so forth, but it kinda says something when this show is already kicking Viv's ass harder.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I haven't watched season 2 but did Octavia or Stella do any exceptionally fucked up? The hate seems to be there for both of them but in Season 1 things ended with Octavia being the classic kid dealing with her parent's divorce, and Stella wasn't exactly the best person but her husband was also cheating on her with a dude which is far worse than being a bit vapid.

Octavia just got mad that her Father neglects her and puts his boyfriend over her. It doesn't help because of his bullshit, she has to stay with a negligent mother who is more into laughing about Stolas' shortcomings. Like Stolas was willing to die for his boyfriend despite telling Octavia that he'd never abandon her. It doesn't help the show doesn't acknowledge he's ever wrong.

Stella just shouts and screams at Stolas, then smiled while hugging Octavia at the thought of Stolas being executed. But she has reasons to be pissed at him. The worst she did was hire a hitman but aside from that, really nothing.

Hatred for those two characters come from Fujos who act like Stolas is a pure innocent guy that is always justified.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Octavia just got mad that her Father neglects her and puts his boyfriend over her. It doesn't help because of his bullshit, she has to stay with a negligent mother who is more into laughing about Stolas' shortcomings. Like Stolas was willing to die for his boyfriend despite telling Octavia that he'd never abandon her. It doesn't help the show doesn't acknowledge he's ever wrong.

Stella just shouts and screams at Stolas, then smiled while hugging Octavia at the thought of Stolas being executed. But she has reasons to be pissed at him. The worst she did was hire a hitman but aside from that, really nothing.

Hatred for those two characters come from Fujos who act like Stolas is a pure innocent guy that is always justified.

I think it is funny as hell that Stella doesn't even do anything and she still inspires so many essays and rants from Stolas simps. They will do anything to avoid acknowledging that their guy is a sack of shit.

 

[nevertosubmit88]

I can't unsee this shit

 

[Starscream's Loyalty]

Any of these dimwits actually spend time with their biological family on Christmas? I'm getting a strong impression of a 'no'.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

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I can't unsee this shit

You know, for as much as the SCP Foundation has fallen from grace over the years, I’m REALLY missing their depiction of Abel.