Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Just random thought dumping, but I still think about how if Stella had proper writing she could of been an interesting villain, in my head I always thought a more "tragic/sympathetic" angle could have been fitting. Especially if its implied she was forced to marry Stolas, or maybe shown they did love each other at some point and Stolas cheating on her hurt her greatly and she's just masking that with anger and hatred. At least in my head, I think that would have been the most logical approach; instead just feels like a total cop-out to write her as "always being evil" just to make it look like Stolas was a victim of abuse instead. If your doing a show like this, I think it feels pretty important that you have your villains fleshed out and developed. Especially one that is considered one of the main antagonist, but no; of fucking course not. Viv is a hack who can't write for shit, she can only write gay faggotry and daddy issues. She is only really a vessel used to make Stolas look better and an "uwu poor wittle victim of abuse" than anything else.

I think "being evil for the sake of it" can work to a degree, but it depends on the context and the way your character is written, Stella feels like she would fall into the "tragic/sympathetic" archetype perfectly; but with how she is now, she just comes across as flat and nothing more. I wish she could be shown actually caring for Octavia or moments that are genuine, rather than just doing things to spite Stolas (to be fair, he had all this coming to him so; the more bad shit that happens to him the better). As predictable as it goes, Octavia will probably forgive StolASS in the next season because gotta fuel the fujo shit.
Because Viv decided to change the trajectory of her show from being a dark comedy about imps assassinating people on earth to a soap opera political-esque romantic drama about the relationship of a sad prince and his sex peasant. And instead of slowly changing the format like other shows would do, we're instead hit with this new change with a bag of bricks. And anything that happened before this drastic change has either been forgotten or warped to fit this new narrative.
 
You will think that spindlehorse with the constant leaks would finally learn the lesson and actually apply measures to stop them from happening but I guess that's not in the budget. Like I can understand this happening all the time to companies like Nintendo, Universal, Sony, etc. because they are big enough where it's hard to track who did what, but I find too hard to believe that the "indie" company can't seem to detect its bad actors.
 
Of course it’s tiktok. These certainly are something.

Something that might interest people is this:

Of Stella and Young Octavia

Slight edit: all these could be fake, you never know.
I swear the timing of my random thought post and then these "leaks" happening wasn't intentional. Here I was just complaining and now this happens. :story:

I'm not surprised this shit keeps happening through, if these are actual legitimate leaks; either someone must really want to sabotage Viv/Spindlehorse or someone is just really shitty at their job and keeps letting it get out. Either way, I'm curious if anything will come out from this.
 
I'm not surprised this shit keeps happening through, if these are actual legitimate leaks; either someone must really want to sabotage Viv/Spindlehorse or someone is just really shitty at their job and keeps letting it get out. Either way, I'm curious if anything will come out from this.
I get the impression that Viv pissed someone hardcore on her staff, so in revenge they leaked S2 and S3 stuff.
 
The leaks are on tiktok. Manage to snag the link here https://www.tiktok.com/discover/helluva-boss-sneak-peek-season-3
Anyway to archive the video? It won't let you watch the video without the app, and I refuse to download it.
Of course it’s tiktok. These certainly are something.

Something that might interest people is this:

Of Stella and Young Octavia

Slight edit: all these could be fake, you never know.
Yeah, that image is fanart. It's been around since like Season 1.
 
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You know, I'm starting to wonder if they write the songs first before the scripts. That would explain so much if that was the case.
 
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You know, I'm starting to wonder if they write the songs first before the scripts. That would explain so much if that was the case.

I think i mentioned here a reviewer said that Vivzie doesn't make a show, she makes music videos and tries to write a fanfic around making them possible.

If we see Ozzie's song the "finale song" of season 1, it aged really bad. Lyrics looks bizarre in hindsight with current ozzy and stolas (who felt ashamed), as if it was really written before both were changed to be hyperlikable gays who value true love and consent.

I consider Mastermind the "finale song" of season 2 and it's also very offensive. The song was (allegedly) written +3 years ago, the lyrics don't make sense with the final episode and Satan ruling before lucifer was retconned by vivzie on the same day. It's likely that Satan DID rule hell originally but Hazbin releasing made her change her mind.

Season 4 finale should only release after 4-6 years and is very likely to go through multiple changes before being finalized, but the song being finished NOW means it will make no sense with the inevitable changes.
 
You know, I'm starting to wonder if they write the songs first before the scripts. That would explain so much if that was the case.
Dude, that's so fucking obvious. The pilot wanted to make it clear that singing was something that's special to Charlie, and to her, a means to convey thoughts and emotions, with Vaggie trying to bring her back to reality.
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And guess what was the reaction people gave her when she tried doing exactly that even when Vaggie told her not to?
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That's why she was so mesmerized by Alastor's Reprise because Alastor was the only other person in the pilot to share her musical enthusiasm.
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They try to recreate Charlie and Vaggie's banter in "Overture" but it doesn't work because:
1. Vaggie says it quietly and more to herself as Charlie had already started singing.
2. Charlie spends most of "Happy Day In Hell" singing to herself then to the Sinners.
3. When she DOES sing directly to another character, you know what she's responded with? A song.
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Singing isn't that unique of a character trait to Charlie anymore seeing how EVERYONE is doing it.
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It's even more appalling when in the original episode outline, a good amount of these characters who sang in the show were either in the comics or not in the season at all.
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Hell, the original version of "Masquerade" has it where instead of singing, Angel and Husk talk it out the whole way through.
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But after getting all these Broadway actors for Helluva Boss, especially replacing Brock with one, Viv decided to make Hazbin a full fledged musical and have all the characters sing, regardless how little the songs made sense or matter, as that's apparently more important than telling a coherent story.


And of course, she tries to act like this was always the plan, and undermines the pilot VAs since "not everyone was a singer" or "the singers didn't match the voices". First of all, Stephanie's singing makes Vaggie sound like a completely different character. More importantly, dafuq? The pilot was an open casting. Only Charlie and Alastor required singing talent, and from I recall, you barely talked about potential musical numbers in the show prior to A24 picking Hazbin up.

 
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