Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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At this point Viv definitely deserves her own thread.
I've noticed other people mention backstabbing and whatnot but no details of who, what, when, where and why. Other people are mentioning she merits a lolcow thread for all these things but nobody seems like they can be assed to make it.
I believe a thread's a good idea too, but making one for her is likely going to be a bit of an endeavor. She has almost 15 years of online history to comb through, after all, combined with overblown criticism/alogs on Twitter and Tumblr. As the OP mentioned, the retards on those sites were trying to cancel her and her team just for making the damn pilot.
 
Why do the demons and damned souls look like furries? Can someone explain that to me. I would think the demons would either be grotesque looking or seductively beautiful in order to tempt and damn mortal souls. Is Viv implying that all furries go to hell because that is something I can actually get behind.
I don't watch this show and have no intention of doing so, but lorewise there are descriptions of all of these specific demons in the Ars Goetia/Lesser Key of Solomon and many of them are described as having chimera-like animal heads or bodies. In some ways the Ars Goetia is like a 17th century pokedex because it's formatted as a list of names, descriptions, and sigils of these stupid looking demonic critters who are thought to be fallen angels that control legions in Hell.
 
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I fucking hate the writing in this show. You could've had something genuinely interesting but no. What is this?
Considering that Orthodoxy (oldest church on the planet)teaches that Christ actually went down to hell and beat the shit out of Satan so that he could drag Adam up to heaven as forgiveness for his sins, this really feels /extra/ sinful...
 
I don't watch this show and have no intention of doing so, but lorewise there are descriptions of all of these specific demons in the Ars Goetia/Lesser Key of Solomon and many of them are described as having chimera-like animal heads or bodies. In some ways the Ars Goetia is like a 17th century pokedex because it's formatted as a list of names, descriptions, and sigils of these stupid looking demonic critters who are thought to be fallen angels that control legions in Hell.
The show is particularly weird in this respect. Having Stolas depicted as an owl is quite clever, because that maps pretty well with how he's depicted in the Ars Goetia. But why the fuck is Beelzebub, which is supposed to be a grotesque monstrosity, instead a generic furry OC that only vaguely alludes to the "lord of the flies" title?
 
The show is particularly weird in this respect. Having Stolas depicted as an owl is quite clever, because that maps pretty well with how he's depicted in the Ars Goetia. But why the fuck is Beelzebub, which is supposed to be a grotesque monstrosity, instead a generic furry OC that only vaguely alludes to the "lord of the flies" title?
Because she was made to be voiced by Kesha
 
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I fucking hate the writing in this show. You could've had something genuinely interesting but no. What is this?
Holy crap is the writing in this bad. Is this what the Zoom Zooms and fujoshi's are into? This really makes me appreciate how well written and eloquent the devils are in The Screwtape Letters and in the D&D supplements and books for the Nine Hells. I would think that a devil would be silver tongued, well mannered and gentlemanly. Of course that is all a façade as the devil is trying to corrupt you and get you to willing sign away your soul for damnation. Here it is just; "Fuck, shit, fuck, dick, fuck, shit, dick, fuck." It reminds me of a autistic child who just learned what curse words are and says them out loud to be edgy and cool.
 
I kind of hope the concept takes off for other shows. The idea of purgatory opens up a lot of different plot hooks.
Hers doesn't even make sense if you believe in the Bible / the most common lore around it if not the Bible lore itself. Lucifer is a cuck/ manlet, demons can have babies. Stupid shit.
The series always gave me hard furry/anthro/beast vibes
She made ZooPhobia...

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Because she was made to be voiced by Kesha
This is a reference to her Die Young thing (which she removed?or something)
 
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The show is particularly weird in this respect. Having Stolas depicted as an owl is quite clever, because that maps pretty well with how he's depicted in the Ars Goetia. But why the fuck is Beelzebub, which is supposed to be a grotesque monstrosity, instead a generic furry OC that only vaguely alludes to the "lord of the flies" title?
There's a theory that the demons in the Ars Goetia are all corruptions of older pagan deities (the most obvious ones being Bael/Ba'al and Amon) Beelzebub is sometimes thought of as a corruption of one of these called "Ba'al Zebul" or "lord of the high place". Though in practice these guys were probably just inserting their weird gay furry porn into that particular character apropos of nothing. I think there are a lot of old deviantart niggers who used to be cataloged on Encyclopedia Dramatica that made elaborate self-insert fanfics about their furfag OCs, sometimes making them gods and other stupid shit like that. I remember reading an ED page about this specific highly elaborate one like 15 years ago that involved m-preg nagas for some insane reason.
 
Wait a damn minute. This show that I see plastered everywhere online and has consistently produced autism from its fanbase for a year or more isn't even "out" as a series yet? How is this possible?!
They did have Helluva Boss release which is based in the same universe or whatever. Also some music video thing for Hazbin.

I think part of what helps with the popularity of the idea of this show is the music. Helped Steven Universe's popularity loads too. So the thing about them trying to cast a bunch of Broadway singers, probably would be pretty smart. The danger hairs and gays get really into that shit.

Edit: Also remembered Wicked had a huge number of fans that loved that sort of anti-hero vibe with the fun songs. Musicals with the right aesthetic can really get these people going. Catnip for the gays and women.
 
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There's a theory that the demons in the Ars Goetia are all corruptions of older pagan deities (the most obvious ones being Bael/Ba'al and Amon) Beelzebub is sometimes thought of as a corruption of one of these called "Ba'al Zebul" or "lord of the high place". Though in practice these guys were probably just inserting their weird gay furry porn into that particular character apropos of nothing. I think there are a lot of old deviantart niggers who used to be cataloged on Encyclopedia Dramatica that made elaborate self-insert fanfics about their furfag OCs, sometimes making them gods and other stupid shit like that. I remember reading an ED page about this specific highly elaborate one like 15 years ago that involved m-preg nagas for some insane reason.
My understanding is that the "lord of the flies" nickname was originally supposed to be an insult based on his name, i.e the flies were buzzing around him like they do around shit, so it's just an elaborate way of calling him a massive turd by twisting his name slightly. Some kind of pun where the original meaning got lost over time through lack of context.
 
My understanding is that the "lord of the flies" nickname was originally supposed to be an insult based on his name, i.e the flies were buzzing around him like they do around shit, so it's just an elaborate way of calling him a massive turd by twisting his name slightly. Some kind of pun where the original meaning got lost over time through lack of context.
There's also Belphegor or Ba'al Peor, referenced in the old testament and supposedly worshipped through defecation on his idol. There's a lot of really bizarre stuff for fetishists to run wild with.
 
There's also Belphegor or Ba'al Peor, referenced in the old testament and supposedly worshipped through defecation on his idol. There's a lot of really bizarre stuff for fetishists to run wild with.
I remember that dude from Shin Megami Tensei.
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I remember that dude from Shin Megami Tensei.
The japs really do love their edgy demons and stuff, yeah. Though I find the mythology of these things to be very fascinating as a whole. It's technically a 15th century Catholic legal text intended for the purpose of witch hunting, but the Malleus Maleficarum is a goldmine if you're into obscure lore on witchcraft, paganism, and demons. Some really wild stuff to be found in that book whether you believe in any of it or not.
 
Why do the demons and damned souls look like furries? Can someone explain that to me. I would think the demons would either be grotesque looking or seductively beautiful in order to tempt and damn mortal souls. Is Viv implying that all furries go to hell because that is something I can actually get behind.
Well I used to like to think that the forms they take are a product of some mutations caused as a byproduct of being in hell, causing them to take on chimeric forms often reflecting the nature of their sins/death. For instance, Angel Dust is a spider-ish creature because his family was involved in a "web of crime". Angel's entire in-universe explanation for his design is a shitty pun.
To take this in a more grimdark direction, the mutation at first never comes out looking especially pleasant-looking, but in hell, there are (of course) plenty of cosmetic surgeons, possibly with magic tools at their disposal, as well as perception filter magic. But since it's not perfectly effective, and the mutation fluxuates in intensity depending on how stressed/violent the sinner is, their monstrous side tends to show itself.

And fuck it, if we're going to go that hypothetical, might as well work it into my own hypothetical idea for a redone hazbin hotel where humanity has conquered hell and paved it over into a just-barely-sustainable civil society, forgetting entirely that the point of hell (again hypothetical, not referencing actual Christian lore), was that it was so horrible you would never stop trying to claw your way out, so that people actually would get out of hell eventually and make it into heaven the hard way. All this plays into the theme that trying to avoid or dilute hardship and the struggle to improve oneself only leads to longer, more protracted and existential suffering, which is a fitting theme for a show that was at one point allegedly about growing and improving as a person.
 
An autistic Tumblr girl who spits on good morals, is an SJW, writes about degenerate shit, is a full on r/atheist neck beard, gets off to gay men and makes fanfics about hell is actually a horrible person and a degenerate? Who would have thought. :sighduck:
Tsmt. And this show was never good and was never going to be good, let's be real.
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Are the leaks worth it? saw one clip in a some discord. So far, not looking good.

Why is adam an angel? wouldn't he be like a normal human guy or something? and the fact that both angels and demons look similar defeats the purpose of their dichotomy. Like, you could rise the argument that demons came from angels (which I thought so as well but still). Moreover, all the other angels are female which again begs the question of why adam is the only one? where the main 7 archangels? did vizie pull a japan and made them all bitches? I honestly don't know. Can't be arsed lol
 
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