Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Troonheart]

I like how most of the replies here are just massive coping by fans of this thing about how everyone in the animation industry is a disgusting freak.

 

[Pomniman]

Fun fact, the founder of Order of Nine Angles (lolcow satanist group related to Atomwaffen) David Myatt was friends with a tranny who beheaded a corpse in a satanic ritual to become a woman. At least according to Searchlight.

Tranny to satanist pipeline, or vice versa? Idk but there definitely is a connection.

This is something of a sloppy cliffnotes version, but: the union of opposites (specifically male and female) to attain some perceived facsimile of divine perfection is a well-worn theme in various religions, myths, and cults. Conversely, there was an ancient castration myth in the cult of Cybele/Attis (which in Rome was also called the cult of the Magna Mater/Great Mother) and its priests ritually castrated themselves as part of their initiation. It ties back to primitive notions about fertility/death & rebirth as observed in seasons/nature with the original deity being a hermaphrodite who was emasculated and birthed a male deity from its severed male genitals. There was even an 18th Century Orthodox Russian castration cult at one point. These specific types of mortification rituals have a very long and sordid history.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Animation show made in the USA = automatically discarded

 

[Yamma Damma]

This is the case where an Animation Union would’ve helped.

You're kidding right? After all the union striking bullshit that went on last year only for it to amount to buttkiss and automaton replacement anyway? There is no union out there, animation or otherwise, othat can protect you from insubordinate brats, internet-junkie crybabies and nutcases waiting to crack. Not to mention "unionized independence" is an oxymoron. All Vivzie should've done is make the NDAs legally stronger with social media clauses and 70% of her problems would've been solved. Or not, nothing can fix incompetence.

About the show itself, ntsg showed a clip of episode 5 and Lucifer is now a manlet, a head shorter than his own daughter.
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That's... Par for the course I'm afraid. I wouldn't be surprised if he has the same Napoleon complex as Moxie's dad in HB since they're both short.

I think you’re forgetting that Hazbin Hotel is quite literally Tumblr the animated series.
The fans were all tumblr spawns and the paypigs who funded that pilot after like 6 years were all tumblrites. That’s why it’s that shitty “angels bad demons good let’s all be gay” type story.

Stuff like this is a classic case of dying by your own or principles. You can’t be hyper lefty and then have problematic people in your own company and not expect it to blow up.

I also wish I had more to give because I do know people in her employ, but they’re all the happy ones who I presume were part of the nepotism

You don't know what you're talking about and it shows.

Hazbin Hotel and Vivzie are products of Deviantart, not Tumblr. You know Deviantart where the goth/emo/2edgy4me sharp styles of making shit went to prosper and die from artists growing the fuck up (or getting worse, there's many lolcows who originated from there like purplekecleon's sickfuck ass)? The migration to Tumblr happened when dA implemented a commission system that was stupid as shit. Tumblr then started prospering off the heels of the Onceler from the Lorax film, BBC shows, that HTTYD/RotG/Tangled/Brave clusterfuck, and of course Adventure Time.

I think Vivzie herself was influenced by dumblr's mob mentality, personality disorders and "signal-boosting for awareness" than her creations. Because if they were, it wouldn't be as depraved or sharp-looking as it is now. She's not "dying by her principals" she's getting jabbed by the principals she was told to accept so she could get what she wanted: celebrity/broadway voices in her silly cartoons.

I don't understand what this "stay in your lane and know your place" shit is about, what exactly did she do to deserve all this ire barring the rape "kink?" Is there any real reason this woman can't make her cartoon?

It's numerous things ranging from jealousy and autism. Hell it could be the same fragile reasons anybody hates and loves anything at the drop of a hat: She said the right things and the wrong things on twitterdotcom.

Anita had her boyfriend Jonathan McIntosh wrangle her. He was the main driving forces behind Feminist Frequency and wrote a most of the episodes. He was likely the entire reason why it even existed, Anita was the face for him turning the 80s-90s stereotype of misogynistic nerds and gamers into a grift. It's no surprise that Tropes vs. Women series never got finished, episodes stopped being produced after they broke up, but luckily for her, she managed to carpetbag herself into the gaming industry as an "expert" on "women's rights in video games" and live comfortably off the fame she accrued from Gamergate.

After they broke up, Jon took the "Tropes vs. Women" concept as his own and runs the Youtube channel "Pop Culture Detective", where he basically does the same things Anita did, but using his own mouth to read what he wrote instead of Anita's.
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A lot of focus on how demasculinization is a good thing, reading way into things and conjuring up feminist "meanings" that the creators never intended, jerking himself off to the idea of subverted expectations in Hollywood films, and sometimes he states the obvious, like "Wall-E was social commentary!"

Looking back, Jon and Anita really did sew the seeds for the late 2010s era of video essays replacing old school rant videos, with increasingly pretentious 80s baby hipsters overanalyzing media from their childhoods under an unnecessary, fun-sucking political lens, crying about how problematic old media is and making it everyone's problem. You can blame all the Lindsay Ellises and Vaushes on these two grifter stooges.

WHOA WHOA WHOA. Are you telling me Sarkeesian the classic man-hating feminazi woman was actually a mouthpiece...for a man-hating feminazi MAN?! How the fuck didn't he get thrown to the pack of wolves when her infamy reached its apex!?!?

And I wouldn't say Lindsey Ellis has her to thank for video essay formats, she had been doing this during her Nostalgia Chick days... actually we can thank and flip off TGWTG for this video essay shit, not Anita.

Viv is a furry herself. So, of course she's going to damn furries to hell, it's only natural.

I've said it before but vivzie isn't a furry despite popular belief. Pandering to and making characters that appeal to furries doesn't make her one. It makes her an enabler for sure but not one. At least not yet, there was that time she confirmed Stolas' bird genitalia to some furry who asked.

Why do the demons and damned souls look like furries? Can someone explain that to me. I would think the demons would either be grotesque looking or seductively beautiful in order to tempt and damn mortal souls. Is Viv implying that all furries go to hell because that is something I can actually get behind.

I'll add on to what @JokahBaybee said with marketability. You try selling a plush of biblically accurate angel abominations and see how much richer you'll be. If you compare classically drawn Stolas to HB's Stolas, it's clear to see which one will sell better. Vivzie needs money to make her silly cartoons, not wishing really hard and begging for donations (that's one aspect I respect her for). Even people who worked on the HH pilot were paid. Most indie pilots are passion projects among friends.

Fans get chink-made crap with cartoons on it, Vivzie get cash for her drones to make her cartoons. Rinse and repeat until someone derails the gravy train. Which will be her in the end, mark my words.

 

[weirdMcGee]

I like how most of the replies here are just massive coping by fans of this thing about how everyone in the animation industry is a disgusting freak.

Only a crazy mind produce crazy shit. The most normies can aspire to is wine mom procreate doodles while viv creates art, comics, and two shows where being an awful edge boy is le epic and based. Those defending her are the same 2000s edgelord kids who never left their invader zim days. The fact most animators in the industry and largely came out as creeps, autist, and other forms of mental derangement proves my point.

Animation show made in the USA = automatically discarded

anime ain't looking good either with all the incel pandering and all. Only like five anime thus far look good but the weebs had to ruin it with their horny meme crap. And to add more salt the wound, it shows no signs of stopping as more and more weebs are trooning out to live out to owo moege fantasies likewise chicks larping as demipan troon ukes. Fuck the culture war, wokes, and gamergays for ruining media lately.

 

[Grumpy_Mushroom]

The pay is low for industry standards, and disorganisation is present. The $60 per second rate is true and so likely the $35 rate. And favoritism is present, as some get paid around $1000 A WEEK.

I can't fee...

 

[RedGermaine]

I was wondering why it was going so fast and why I was getting so many awards. How does one thread get frontpaged three times in a month? I think Vizie wins lolcow of the year already because no one's topping lighting striking thrice before people admit they dropped their resolutions

 

[Papa stink]

Animation show made in the USA = automatically discarded

In the past three years, I can only think of two US animated shows that weren't shit.

 

[Cheeseknife]

The style looks like stuff you'd see in a Dr. Suess book. It seems like this whole thing is just another attempt to take your childhood and do some edgy shit to it.

Just another "adulting" show maintaining the fantasy that continually acting on capricious autonomy is what defines you as a grown up.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

I was wondering why it was going so fast and why I was getting so many awards. How does one thread get frontpaged three times in a month? I think Vizie wins lolcow of the year already because no one's topping lighting striking thrice before people admit they dropped their resolutions

What was the third time?

 

[Falcon Sebben]

Want to see some anonymous reviews from the animation staff about Spindlehorse? Here is a link to the tweet. (a)

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One thing all of these reviews share in common is that they mention one of two things. The pay is low for industry standards, and disorganisation is present. The $60 per second rate is true and so likely the $35 rate. And favoritism is present, as some get paid around $1000 A WEEK. They also confirm that the higher-ups are all friends. And that any lower-ranking staff get fired. They always need new animators for a reason. "THEY ALSO SPREAD LIES ABOUT FIRED STAFF AND MAKE UP HORRID RUMOURS ABOUT THEM.", and finally, Spindlehorse artists are not paid for revisions.

Found this 18 hours ago, and some are suggesting "Ken's experience" (a) however, it was last seen 8 months ago, so likely not recent.

However, Viviziepop is getting cancelled with over 40K+ tweets about it & being trending on Twitter. Here are some tweets:
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Viv has always been a lolcow. Make no mistake I actually appreciated the work she did on Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss. I mean indie cartoon work is not easy and they put that shit out for free so I give her props on that.

But yeah, she's 100% a lolcow and this just confirms it,

 

[Alter Ego]

"Raphielle" is Arielle Somerville (archive) and her entire online pooner persona is based on Angel. She essentially larps as him online, which is super pathetic and embarrassing given she's over 30. This includes posting pictures of her very female vagina on onlyfans. Her pooner name "Tony" is based on Angel's real name (Anthony) before he died in canon.

She's a huge fujo and was known in the past for her self-insert Osmosis Jones comic where her OC fucks Thrax.

Thanks for the further info. Raphielle fashioning herself as Angel to such an extent that her pooner name is a reference to him is really all the more indication that her noncon-shipping of Angel and Val is about her fantasy of personally being sexily victimized by bad boys in place of Angel. This fits into the norm of fujos when the uke/bottom of a gay ship, particularly in original BL stories, is pretty much always the intended female audience stand-in.

 

[Creepy Rabbit Puppet]

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Vivziepop and her Helluva boss/Hazbin Hotel fans are probably the same faggots on Reddit who think smiling friends is pro-Christian conservative propaganda for mocking nihilism, pro-giving people second chances and being anti-suicide. Not even kidding. These people exist.

Ehhh I dunno, I love Smiling Friends and really like Helluva Boss and what I've seen so far of Hazbin Hotel (but fully recognise it isn't going to be everyones cup of tea). I think most people who like indie animation are generally happy to see these creators shows get made as animation is such a difficult and long undertaking. I don't really see anyone on the Hazbin/Helluva side saying much of anything about smiling friends. The only exception being that both Zack and Michael Cusack were in the last episode of Helluva Boss and all the comments about them being in it I have seen have been overwhelmingly positive (particularly Michaels portrayal of Mammon).

 

[Guts]

I'm gonna be real, I was under the impression that this show was well into it's second season with how much I hear people scree and ree about it. Recently learning that not a single episode has come out, and the pilot was only just leaked has made me do a double take so quickly I'm in a neck brace as we speak.

If anyone is surprised about the state of American animation, indie or not, I want to remind everyone that pretty much all of the current animation industry bright-eyed-and-bushy-bearded golden children that are slithering out of internet obscurity and onto the multi-million-dollar streaming services were warshed in the blud of Tom Fulp. Newgounds, while being a beautiful place for the aspiring creative, is also a cesspit. So the kids that got inspired by Egoraptor and TheSwain would ultimately stumble upon Zone-tan and Shadbase in the same breath as Happy Harry and Eddsworld.

At least those guys could keep their weirdo fetishes under wraps long enough to create the mirage of a professional presence. The new ilk have no idea how to separate their gooning from their... well, anything.

Edit: Oh yeah, beyond that, I blame Pendleton Ward and Rebecca Sugars for the current state of the animation industry being a long line of nepotism and favors for friends regardless of talent or skill. But that's just a theory!

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Oh yeah, beyond that, I blame Pendleton Ward and Rebecca Sugars for the current state of the animation industry

You not wrong. If Rebecca sugars was a man she would be considered John K 2.0 with all the gay Ed Edd Eddy porn she draws.

The only exception being that both Zack and Michael Cusack were in the last episode of Helluva Boss and all the comments about them being in it

Vivziepop was happy to work with Scott cawthon and make FNAF fan content before throwing him under the bus for political clout on Twitter.

 

[RedGermaine]

What was the third time?

We got 1, the beatbox guy, 2 Vizie melt down over people pointing out her sexual assault fetish and now 3, the work conditions in the animation studio being fucking dire and barely paying.

 

[mindlessobserver]

We got 1, the beatbox guy, 2 Vizie melt down over people pointing out her sexual assault fetish and now 3, the work conditions in the animation studio being fucking dire and barely paying.

I'm gonna have to watch this show just to see why my autism detector just maxed out and then exploded.

 

[Cheeseknife]

I'm gonna be real, I was under the impression that this show was well into it's second season with how much I hear people scree and ree about it. Recently learning that not a single episode has come out, and the pilot was only just leaked has made me do a double take so quickly I'm in a neck brace as we speak.

I was under the same impression. I watched the pilot at 2x speed on YT, waived it as pooner shite and moved on. Now I'm being told all I saw is all there is?

This doesn't make sense to me. How the hell does an unreleased series even have a fanbase?

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Not sure why the whole liking rape shit is an issue. 61% of women have rape fantasies. It used to be up to 57% of average women. 9 to 17% of women have rape as a frequent or favorite fantasy. There are NORMAL PEOPLE. Rape is a common sexual fantasy to have. It's fucked up to be raped in real life, but rape is a common fantasy and it's stupid to shame people for liking it. Rape is wrong but you can consent to roleplaying a rape fantasy and it doesn't involve anything relating to children or animals or other people who can't give consent beforehand. Why is it an issue?

Rape has a sacred place in a lot of women's hearts. It is not merely a crime. It is the crime. It is not merely a sin. It is the sin. For a lot of women, rape is worse than murder. They would sooner be drugged, tied up and carved into tiny pieces than be raped. It is a crime, they believe they can only be the victims of and men the only perpetrators of. Something a lot of men are sadly happy to go along with. A woman raping a male student for example; can't be rape, because "only men can commit rape" or "he wanted it" or "just because I said so" or some other equal stupid cop out. Women don't view rape as a crime of passion, but one of power. Where men force themselves upon women to "dominate" them. At least until it comes time for them to claim just how much men need women/find women irresistible. Is it any surprise that rape is such a popular fantasy amongst women? And given how they view rape and men, is it any surprise how they get so bent out of shape when you recognize that fact? They're so quick to demonize men for any type of sexual fantasy. As sick, perverted, degenerate and a threat to the safety of women and children. They don't like to accept they like the worst thing you could like, and if men are degenerate predators for merely watching vanilla porn. What does having rape fantasies make them? Monsters, and they hate that fact.

 

[Northern Blockhead]

And all the VAs seemed like they were having a lot of fun. Viv replacing the entire cast, even with the usual union fuckery, stung a lot. Hopefully Angel’s original VA doesn’t get screwed again with Lackadaisy.

Iirc, the main reason for that is that they also wanted voice actors who could actually sing, since this show being a musical is a major selling point.

From what I heard, quite a few of the pilot VA aren't trained to be singers, which is why the song ADDICT had autotune up the wazoo.