Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Overly Serious]

So for months I have been seeing a multi-hundred page thread about this cartoon on the forum, always on the first page of Multimedia. And then there was the thing with the Tuber paying $40,000 for a non-explicit self-insert romance weird thing. So I went ahead and watched this.

What the Hell? It's just... why?

 

[Castoreum]

Why is it that all the stuff that tries to portray Hell, demons, and the devil as anything other than the pure evil that they are always have to be the ones that get all the major overly obsessed fanbases?

Sheltered, wealthy people fetishize/romanticize things they have no experience with like drugs, nightclubs, the life of pornstars, sex trafficking, and gambling. Similar to how you might have known a young man in school who tried to act ghetto while he grew up in a gated community suburb.

I feel like that's why I'm seeing the phrase "safe edgy" thrown around in HH discussions. Part of my fascination with it is this is exactly the kind of shit I saw people portraying in my roleplay days.

Just rewatch the show and notice how the characters never seem to have a reaction to snorting coke or drinking alcohol. It's a child's, Disneyfied view of the sinister side of humanity.

 

[Unnecessary Surgery Land]

While I concluded that I like the show, it's practically impossible to escape its presence on social media. I'm sick to death of it. The aesthetic has turned kinda nauseating at this point.

ENDLESS fanart, ENDLESS screencaps/clips, ENDLESS marketing from Amazon Prime, ENDLESS threads/video on 'drama'- I'm actually stepping back from even my most casual of web surfing on platforms that aren't the farms because it's fucking obnoxious af.

It feels like that episode of the Simpsons where Bart wishes on a Monkey Paw for the Simpsons to be famous and the entire world becomes sick of them.

Don't call this shit 'indie'.

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

I've been hearing a rumor that someone part of the Hazbin Hotel killed themselves due to a piece of their fanart getting absolutely ripped apart by the fanbase.

If true, this makes the Hazbin Hotel fanbase even worse than the Steven Universe fanbase.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

They could try taking after Beavis and Butthead by having the angels urge humans to kill themselves in a reverse of It's A Wonderful Life

Which is funny since their guardian angel's name is Charlie

 

[CyrusHowler]

Why is it that all the stuff that tries to portray Hell, demons, and the devil as anything other than the pure evil that they are always have to be the ones that get all the major overly obsessed fanbases?

It isn’t always that. Hetalia for example, a silly anime about the countries being anthropomorphized, had one of the worst fanbases of the late 00’s and early 10’s

Gothix had a pretty good review of Hazbin.
The only way I can see Viv getting around this dumb trope of The Devil being “misunderstood” is if she went this route.

I’d actually give her props if God shows up in season 2, back from his “vacation” or whatever and sees the chaos going in heaven and has a “I entrust you to take care of Heaven and Humaity and this is how you handle it?” sort of moment with the angels, casts Lilith back out and brings Charlie up to heaven to talk.
She gets mad and accuses him of causing all the mess and shows him the book before he chuckles and says “So that’s what your father told you? Come Granddaughter, let me tell you about the Heavenly War.”
And he explains to her all about how The Devil lied to her.

 

[Yeshuash]

Gothix had a pretty good review of Hazbin.
The only way I can see Viv getting around this dumb trope of The Devil being “misunderstood” is if she went this route.
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I’d actually give her props if God shows up in season 2, back from his “vacation” or whatever and sees the chaos going in heaven and has a “I entrust you to take care of Heaven and Humaity and this is how you handle it?” sort of moment with the angels, casts Lilith back out and brings Charlie up to heaven to talk.
She gets mad and accuses him of causing all the mess and shows him the book before he chuckles and says “So that’s what your father told you? Come Granddaughter, let me tell you about the Heavenly War.”
And he explains to her all about how The Devil lied to her.

As much as that would be cool, Vivzi will rather eat shit rather than make God a good guy.

Also, doubt she thought that far ahead.

 

[doodoocaca]

Yeah but would that be about a naive girl, in fucking hell, trying to redeem a bunch of literal faggots who are prone to singing while a fratbro is screaming DO NOT REDEEM?

No, because that's retarded on its face and fucking boring. A sheltered but brilliant young person learning as she goes? That's actually interesting!

I think the advantage of the Snoot game was the setting of Volcano High, being a highschool and a visual novel already makes it easier for character interactions and focusing on their stories, but HH completely ignored the story engine of the titular Hotel and went straight to a war against Heaven.

So a Snootification of HH would consist of ignoring the original plot, Heaven has to be less present, focus on the residents of the Hotel and make it the setting and not skip 6 months of interactions between the characters.

Also not being afraid to portray the worst of humanity, I would make every resident worthy of being in Hell, not "they just had a hard life and were forced to sin and are actually innocent" crap.

Their evil has to be a choice that they regularly made in life, even if in the beginning they didn't have much of a choice, for them to remain on this road and double triple down on their sins is their fault and they have to see that.

Even if you stuck to Vivz's original set of promises, having Charlie grow as she realizes what agency really is and is not and help people learn to choose to be better with their actual agency (with or without Luciferianism and all that shit thrown in but who actually wants depth lol) would be fun.

A good juxtaposition to all that would be Vaggie dealing with losing heaven for doing the right thing. Owning your choices sometimes means taking the L even if you did what is morally better to do.

Since heavy shit needs room to breathe, comedy or romance or whateverthefuck among the hotel residents would keep things interesting. Alas, we never got to see a bunch of weirdos from all walks of hell trying to live together.

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

I’d actually give her props if God shows up in season 2, back from his “vacation” or whatever and sees the chaos going in heaven and has a “I entrust you to take care of Heaven and Humaity and this is how you handle it?” sort of moment with the angels, casts Lilith back out and brings Charlie up to heaven to talk.
She gets mad and accuses him of causing all the mess and shows him the book before he chuckles and says “So that’s what your father told you? Come Granddaughter, let me tell you about the Heavenly War.”
And he explains to her all about how The Devil lied to her.

This would be a nice turn of events.

Also, doubt she thought that far ahead.

Originally I thought Vivz as more of a gardener type of writer. Now I don't know what type of writer she is other than fujoshi lover.

 

[Seafarer]

Gothix had a pretty good review of Hazbin.
The only way I can see Viv getting around this dumb trope of The Devil being “misunderstood” is if she went this route.
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I’d actually give her props if God shows up in season 2, back from his “vacation” or whatever and sees the chaos going in heaven and has a “I entrust you to take care of Heaven and Humaity and this is how you handle it?” sort of moment with the angels, casts Lilith back out and brings Charlie up to heaven to talk.
She gets mad and accuses him of causing all the mess and shows him the book before he chuckles and says “So that’s what your father told you? Come Granddaughter, let me tell you about the Heavenly War.”
And he explains to her all about how The Devil lied to her.

Since the topic has been broached again, I give you my idea for a rewrite of the Heaven/Hell conflict:

Instead of the yearly purges, there is set to be one upcoming purge in which angels will enter Hell (or perhaps a specific layer) and annihilate the majority of sinners. Building off the “God is missing” idea, in the aftermath of God’s disappearance from Heaven, the angels are left rudderless. Eventually, a faction emerges that comes to dominate Heaven’s politics. The group, led by the archangel Micheal (who was Lucifer’s best friend before his rebellion and fall) believes that if they ‘wipe the slate clean’ so to speak, and purge the sinners that are now overcrowding Hell (as God has not been there to expand it), God might be pleased and reappear to them. Michael’s faction is militaristic and made up of Heaven’s best warriors. Michael himself has become increasingly self-righteous and talks in a manner similar to a medieval knight.

Lucifer learns of the upcoming purge, and seeing it as a threat to his power plans to rally the armies of Hell to oppose it. Charlie learns of it too and is horrified at the prospect of a war that will likely decimate Hell and kill many of her subjects. She lays out her Hotel plan, which serves two purposes: sinners can hopefully be redeemed and enter into Heaven, sparing them from the destruction that is to come, and the fact that if Angels realize they may be murdering people who have the chance to be redeemed, they might be discouraged from initiating the purge. Her father, of course, scoffs at the idea.

Lucifer’s characterization in this is much more villainous and in line with things like The Bible and Paradise Lost. Although he has some sympathetic traits (such as tolerating his daughter’s borderline Christian ideas) he is very distant to her and Charlie was raised more by her mother Lilith, who in this rewrite was simply one of the angels who sided with Lucifer and was cast into Hell as a result.

 

[Minus One]

Gothix had a pretty good review of Hazbin.
The only way I can see Viv getting around this dumb trope of The Devil being “misunderstood” is if she went this route.
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I’d actually give her props if God shows up in season 2, back from his “vacation” or whatever and sees the chaos going in heaven and has a “I entrust you to take care of Heaven and Humaity and this is how you handle it?” sort of moment with the angels, casts Lilith back out and brings Charlie up to heaven to talk.
She gets mad and accuses him of causing all the mess and shows him the book before he chuckles and says “So that’s what your father told you? Come Granddaughter, let me tell you about the Heavenly War.”
And he explains to her all about how The Devil lied to her.

It's funny you say this because it kind of goes along with my biggest gripe with Alastor and it's that he feels more like Lucifier than well... Canon Lucifier himself.

Now to preface I'm not a Bible kiwi, barely dipped my toes into any kind of religion so if I'm being retarded please tell me- but my understanding of Lucifier is he's meant to be more of the conniving type. He's deceptive and cunning and also incredibly charismatic, that's how he managed to make one third of all angels fall beside him and that's how he convinced eve to eat the apple.

He's like a living monkey's paw, he'll tell you all the things you want to hear and offer a sweet seemingly innocent deal but with some kind of twist you didn’t account for that inevitably leads to you getting your ass blasted in the fires of hell for all eternity. That's the characterization I grew up with and was exposed to for most of my childhood.

Thing is... that's just Alastor to a tee. He's the guy with the charming sophisticated personality going around trying to trick or entice people into soul binding deals, he's the fellow in the background with schemes upon schemes actively manipulating the situation to his favor, and he's the guy with the power and fear factor to back up his words and threats.

Ffs with it even being said Alastor is on someone's leash and that knowledge hurting his pride he even checks the "fallen from grace" mark.

Lucifier should have taken Alastor's place in the story. The mystique, the charming persona underlined with subtle sinister intent, and the power dynamic and mentor like role he takes for charlie SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO FUCKING LUCIFIER.

Coulda had a whole ass arc of him trying to convince Charlie that this whole hotel shit is a waste of time but begrudgingly going along with it because she's his daughter and he has a tiny soft spot for her, realizing that it could be a solid means of unifying the chaotic and unorganized legions of hell to usurp God after successfully resisting the extermination and as a result taking it over and going full villain mode, and having the story end with Charlie redeeming her own father after God comes in and exposes the truth that is Lucifiers greatest lie.

It was all right there viv. Come on.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

They could try taking after Beavis and Butthead by having the angels urge humans to kill themselves in a reverse of It's A Wonderful Life

This reminds me of the Married with Children version of a wonderful life, where Al wants to kill himself, gets wonderful life'd, realizes that every single person he's ever known or interracted with is like x10 better off without him, and that gives him the resolve to live because he hates every single one of them and the fact that his existences causes them unending misery is the only sliver of pleasure he can get from life. What a chad.

That show was truly ahead of its time in so many ways its not even funny.

 

[Señora Airi]

Why is it that all the stuff that tries to portray Hell, demons, and the devil as anything other than the pure evil that they are always have to be the ones that get all the major overly obsessed fanbases?

Faggot shippers and the teenage "I hate my parents and everyone older than me. No one understands me" crowd.

 

[macrodegenerate]

So I had a dumb thunk today. Not sure if I'm late on this though. What exactly is heavens long term plan? Even if the angels were still unkillable, it is becoming more and more apparent that the exterminations are becoming less and less effective. To the point where they have to be moved from once a year to twice a year. The number of people being born and dying is increasing exponentially with sinners easily outnumbering angels. Is the plan just to keep increasing the frequency? Because they will eventually have to have them monthly then weekly then daily and so on.

 

[SlaanyChaser]

Is the plan just to keep increasing the frequency? Because they will eventually have to have them monthly then weekly then daily and so on.

Adam said that the increase in frequency was for his own amusement, not because of the population getting unmanageable. He just wanted to go fuck things up more out of boredom probably.

Spoiler

 

[Sonya-chan]

Honestly the first season really reminds me of this meme

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This + giving all the good information and the actual scenario off screen via interview, tweets and Q&A, modern writting.

 

[Local Degenerate]

While I concluded that I like the show, it's practically impossible to escape its presence on social media. I'm sick to death of it. The aesthetic has turned kinda nauseating at this point.

ENDLESS fanart, ENDLESS screencaps/clips, ENDLESS marketing from Amazon Prime, ENDLESS threads/video on 'drama'- I'm actually stepping back from even my most casual of web surfing on platforms that aren't the farms because it's fucking obnoxious af.

It feels like that episode of the Simpsons where Bart wishes on a Monkey Paw for the Simpsons to be famous and the entire world becomes sick of them.

Don't call this shit 'indie'.

What makes me laugh about this is that this is exactly the same shit that happened to the bronies, and look how well that turned out for them.

Start out with a mediocre to good show, attract autists, autists then shove it fucking everywhere pissing off the rest of the internet, bean-counters think that means it's profitable so they shove it everywhere as well, normal people get pissed off, shows fanbase is now seen as scum of the earth.

@Minus One
The problem with this is it goes against Viv's whole 'I HATE MY DAD' schtick.
A father having a meaningful role in his childs life where he guides them along and helps them improve? Preposterous.

 

[CyrusHowler]

It was all right there viv. Come on.

That whole thing was cinema fam.
You’re right about The Devil, that’s exactly how he is.
A conniver and manipulator.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

The problem with this is it goes against Viv's whole 'I HATE MY DAD' schtick.
A father having a meaningful role in his childs life where he guides them along and helps them improve? Preposterous.

To be fair, Viv's whole thing with Daddy issues is that it only applies to side/flashback characters, than fathers who happen to be major characters. Compared to most of the Dads Viv has written, Lucifer is the only good father whose worst crime is being a depressed recluse, but came around in the end to help the hotel and save his daughter.

But then there's Helluva Boss where every Dad is a piece of shit, and the only ones who Viv insists on are good are Blitzo and Stolas (Both happen to be main characters). Despite this insistence, Stolas is a terrible father that the narrative tries hard to insist is a good guy despite his two appearances with his daughter consisting of bringing along the guy he is cheating on her mom with to flirt aggressively with, being out of touch with what she likes, and spends time fucking around in LA with that same guy he is having the affair with than look for his runaway daughter.

 

[SubarashiiRage]

I would say that Vizie has more problems with mothers than fathers, since they are either dead or abusive, with Millie's mother being the exception for being in the show for a few seconds, but actually parents in general are not the strong point of these shows,

If Loona is to be believed a father is good if he is trying to be good, or at least claims to be trying even if every action he takes contradicts that (in this logic Paimon would be a great dad).