Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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However as a demon he apparently very much eats people like lesser demons and all that.
While it's difficult to keep track with an inconsistent creator like Vivz, the early cartoon featuring Alastor had him going to a butcher store and ordering venison (and then murdering everyone in it who had been victimizing a female). I think the sinners in Hell generally continue the exact kinds of sinful conduct they engaged in while human, so if someone is a cannibal in Hell, they were probably a cannibal aboveground too.

It makes sense, so maybe I'm wrong.
I’d say based on being casually interested in it and having American friends who traced their tree, it was a bit more difficult to pass on paper because the US kept very good records.
They weren't that good, although I'm just speaking for my own family. Gravestones were removed, birth certificates altered, shit just disappeared.
 
They weren't that good, although I'm just speaking for my own family. Gravestones were removed, birth certificates altered, shit just disappeared.
Even still, I have exceptional respect for Anglos and their record keeping, in most Med countries you might get lucky to have a family Bible/Koran, but that’s it.

Found an archive of the comic where Alastor saves a woman:
Hazbin Canon Archive
I figured he was a cannibal, but also a raging misandrist as well. Perhaps I’m wrong.
 
In my adventures climbing around the ol' family tree, I found tales of an interracial couple who weren't married (cause not legal) where the kids took the last name of the parent they resembled racially, to make it harder for them to be associated with the other parent if the kid grew up and wanted to pass in another town.
You know how good we Kiwi Farmers are at sussing out someone's tall tales, imagine how we might have operated back in the antebellum days. Taking a lil' trip to someone's hometown to meet their mama wouldn't have been too much trouble.

If Alistor lived in an area where nearly everyone was some shade of brown, it might not have been as big of a deal. I dunno, I'm old but not that old.

I figured he was a cannibal, but also a raging misandrist as well. Perhaps I’m wrong.
One can be a misandrist and still act like a Southern gentleman in public.

Random fun thing - deer are opportunistic feeders. They will sometimes be seen chowing down on animal flesh even though they usually go for plants. Kinda creepy to see on the trail cameras.
 
The whole argument about whether or not Alastor is actually Creole is so dumb to me because 1) it literally doesn't matter, and 2) there's been hints that he was all the way back in the pilot what with him mentioning his mother's jambalaya and shit.
With other media, I'd probably agree. In a lot of shows, we don't need like, a family tree or an exhaustive look at a character's backstory if it isn't relevant to whatever the main story is. And the Creole part specifically is arguably not the most important part of Alastor's potential backstory, but I do think who he used to be as a mortal is pretty relevant. Not just him specifically, but any character who was previously mortal. If the premise is supposed to be about whether they can be redeemed for their sins, we need to know what those sins were in the first place to determine if they actually deserved to go to hell in a first place/if they've learned and expressed remorse.

The Creole part might not specifically matter in that regard, but the fact that so little thought was apparently put into his backstory is an issue. When you have a show that also has such an expansive timeline, I think it makes backgrounds more important because a character's behavior can really vary based on where/when they were alive. It's usually one of the more interesting aspects of shows with that sort of cast because you can get a bunch of unique interactions that other settings can't provide.

It's why the setting of heaven/hell are so disappointing, there's a lot you can do with them, but for the most part, they just feel like edgier versions of Earth. It'd be like if they announced a Star Wars sitcom in the vein of Friends, but it's set on a planet where the technology is identical to ours, they never reference space travel, and everyone on the planet is human. It's just a waste of the setting.

Now, to be fair I think some of those elements are fine to explore as a show goes on, but the problem is a lot of it has been answered via word of god instead of saying something like "don't worry, those questions will be answered in the next season." And that's just with the characters specifically, at this point, I don't know if there's a good way to make the heaven/hell setting more interesting. I guess we could see different parts of hell that are more, well, hellish, but it feels like so much has already been established that it'd be hard to do without having to retcon something.

There's no denying Alastor is a popular character, and part of that is him being vague and mysterious. Which is fine, I mean, it's a pretty common trope. But the thing is, with characters like that, you have to be careful you don't drag out the mystery elements too long because the longer it goes, the more the hype is built up, which makes it harder to deliver something satisfying when it comes time to make the reveal.
 
He’s a serial killer, but also asexual? I’ve never heard of a single serial killer who didn’t kill for a reason other than psychosexual compulsion. You could say that he got off on control, or was a sadist, but these types of people aren’t asexual, their wires are just badly crossed.
I remember how disappointed I was when I realized that serial killers are just next-level coomers. They're basically into BDSM shit but they can't get off if they know it's consensual, so they have to kidnap people or lure them in. The killing part is usually just so they don't go to the police afterwards.
 
The thing is from what I remember from reading old lore which I will admit may be outdated now since Vivs is so inconsistent and loves to retcon herself constantly but from what I remember she was trying to frame Alastor as a "Righteous serial killer" you know, one of those people. 🙄

Y'know like the "Oh! He only murders BAD people." type which wouldn't surprise me if it were still the case because Vivz sure loves her safe edginess. It's gotta be edgy but not TOO edgy, we can't have him murdering completely innocent people. He's got to be a misunderstood "Hero."

I normally don't use emojis but it's probably the only way to show you how much I absolutely hate this trope.
 
The thing is from what I remember from reading old lore which I will admit may be outdated now since Vivs is so inconsistent and loves to retcon herself constantly but from what I remember she was trying to frame Alastor as a "Righteous serial killer" you know, one of those people. 🙄

Y'know like the "Oh! He only murders BAD people." type which wouldn't surprise me if it were still the case because Vivz sure loves her safe edginess. It's gotta be edgy but not TOO edgy, we can't have him murdering completely innocent people. He's got to be a misunderstood "Hero."

I normally don't use emojis but it's probably the only way to show you how much I absolutely hate this trope.
So basically Dexter. Very original.
 
So here's a thought: Can a sinner and a Hellborn native breed and have a child? If so, is that child up for grabs in exterminating and/or able to be redeemed to go to heaven? It'd be kind of an interesting dilemma to see inter-species mix and create half-hellborn, half-humans-but-now-sinner children and see where they fall in line with the whole exterminating bit.
 
So here's a thought: Can a sinner and a Hellborn native breed and have a child? If so, is that child up for grabs in exterminating and/or able to be redeemed to go to heaven? It'd be kind of an interesting dilemma to see inter-species mix and create half-hellborn, half-humans-but-now-sinner children and see where they fall in line with the whole exterminating bit.
I think it was revealed on a stream, and mentioned in the thread, that all sinners are sterile when they enter Hell. Who knows at this point since the creator of both shows is not keeping track of the lore.
 
I had no doubt Vaggie was meant to be Meztizo
Are angels also ascended mortals same way demons are? Or are angels actually primordial?

Because I don't get how she can be mixed race otherwise, did the univere during creation of everything account for mestizos coming about in the 14th century and decided to randomly make an angel one of them?
 
I vaguely remember watching a Hunicast Streams and Edward Bosco ( Alastor pilot voice actor) alluded to Alastor's murdering desires to be his sexual kink and Vivziepop got defensive and shut that down. Can't have a righteous serial killer if he is getting off to it.

Getting off to it......

We all know Vivziepop puts her fujo kink in this show. It's obviously that the abuse of Angel Dust character is not a "victim awareness" type of thing, it's a kink. She's clearly into questionable things. Alastor was her OC since highschool. I think Vivziepop NEEDS Alastor's behavior to not be psychosexual in nature. There's something in her subconscious that Vivziepop is hiding from herself or she just really likes Dexter.
 
Are angels also ascended mortals same way demons are? Or are angels actually primordial?

Because I don't get how she can be mixed race otherwise, did the univere during creation of everything account for mestizos coming about in the 14th century and decided to randomly make an angel one of them?
Hazbin is sort of a fanfiction that just uses the heaven/hell motifs, it has absolutely nothing to do with the Christian mythos. As far as I’m aware there isn’t even a God, just angels who created the earth. Humans who die can become angels or demons, there are also many species of creatures that are native to both heaven and hell, like Imps or Seraphim.

This is why the usage of Lucifer is uh…weird to me personally, because I’m getting a lot of fujos thirsting over the devil as I’ve been reading about it this past evening. The usage of other demons like Beelzebub and Stolas in Hazbin’s spin off show is equally concerning and confusing. Ironically the fan animation posted a few pages back with Adam as the protagonist and Charlie the antagonist made much more sense…
 
Are angels also ascended mortals same way demons are? Or are angels actually primordial?

Because I don't get how she can be mixed race otherwise, did the universe during creation of everything account for mestizos coming about in the 14th century and decided to randomly make an angel one of them?
I stand by my belief that the only reason Vaggie became an Angel was because of all the fan theories from the pilot. Now her fans treat her like she's a genius for putting their theory into the show.

" You have a giant x over your eye and wield a giant spear. It's not rocket science. "

Carmilla saying that to Vaggie makes no sense in the context of the story. But it makes sense if Carmilla is being a stand-in for the audience who have watched the pilot.
 
The weird thing is we're not even sure if Alastor was a cannibal in life. The details of his murders are kept purposefully vague. And while Viv herself never said anything on the subject apparently Faustisse (Someone who hasn't worked on the show since 2020 so take it with a pinch of salt I guess.) says that she doesn't think Alastor was a cannibal in life. However as a demon he apparently very much eats people like lesser demons and all that.

Honestly this makes me think back to the whole discussion about how none of the demon designs make any fucking sense and how it would've been better if their designs were based on how they died or who they were in life or something.
Given his somewhat wendigo-esque appearance with that logic Alastor being a cannibal would've make perfect fucking sense. So that's why I can't believe it's true because we all know Viv is allergic to making sense.
From what I heard last, Alastor was killed in a hunting accident in the woods. Supposedly he was hiding a body or something, and a hunter thought he was a deer. Hence Alastor's deer like appearance. NOW, if I were a good writer (and I like to think I am) I would actually punish sinners for being sinners. Alastor's punishment to me would be having a
Wendigo's curse" where he can only satisfy his hunger and murder lust is by eating his victims. That way he isn't a cannibal by choice, but by force, and he has to smile all throughout.
Since I bought it up it's one of the things that always fucking bothered me. Like I know what the answer is but it still annoys me.
I always think "Why the fuck is he a spider? How does that make sense or relate to anything?"
As said above me, it's supposed to be a play on a "web of lies" in the mafia.
 
As said above me, it's supposed to be a play on a "web of lies" in the mafia.
Are you sure it's not just
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To change the topic a bit from Creole sperging, I swear I remember when the Hazbin pilot came out there were plans for a community project to remake the pilot in an animu art style, something like those “reanimated” collaborations that are all the rage on animation YouTube. However, it has been almost 5 years since the pilot and I have heard nothing further about this project, so I’d like confirmation if this was a real thing or some figment of my imagination, and if it is/was real, what happened to it?
 
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I stand by my belief that the only reason Vaggie became an Angel was because of all the fan theories from the pilot. Now her fans treat her like she's a genius for putting their theory into the show.
I genuinely would not be surprised if Viv took a lot of things from the pilot Hazbin fanworks to use in the show. I remember those theories and fanworks about Vaggie being a fallen angel/former Exterminator, even though it had been established that she was a sinner from (I believe) El Salvador.

I feel like the same has happened for this Angel/Husk pairing that the show has been trying to push. Angel/Husk was a pretty popular ship I recall after the pilot released, even though both characters only interacted like once in the pilot iirc.
 
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