Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Retink Retunk]

Things to do when you're in Hell:

• Be gay.
• Be gay.
• Be gay.

Did not a single homosexual end up in Heaven?

To be fair, it's a lot of ESG, which is a hell in a way.

 

[AnOminous]

To be fair, it's a lot of ESG, which is a hell in a way.

 

[Resident Knievel]

Things to do when you're in Hell:

• Be gay.
• Be gay.
• Be gay.

Did not a single homosexual end up in Heaven?

Vivziepop went so fujo she looped around to being based, even if only for a moment

 

[Narcotics]

I just realized something.
So the reason everyone in hell is either a noseless freak or a gay furry is because they take that form based on how they died and how they were in life, right?
Then why are there also noseless freaks and gay furries in heaven too? imagine dying, going to heaven and you're stuck as a fucking dog for all of eternity.
How come?

 

[didelphigina]

I just realized something.
So the reason everyone in hell is either a noseless freak or a gay furry is because they take that form based on how they died and how they were in life, right?
Then why are there also noseless freaks and gay furries in heaven too? imagine dying, going to heaven and you're stuck as a fucking dog for all of eternity.
How come?

Vivzie's world is as illogical and convoluted as it gets, man. Nothing makes sense. All of it can be dumbed down to "they just so happen to have these traits".

Honestly, they really should stick more to the "your demon self looking the way it is based off how you died" idea and flesh it out in more various ways. Enough of the skinny, toothpick, sharp teeth guys. Enough of the samey-ol clothing and completely forgetting what time period they used to be in. I'm already irritated that despite these are characters who're suppose to represent the era they died in, they sure don't act or behave how one from that era would act. For example, let's take a look at Sir Pentious.

Sir Pentious sounds and acts as current year as is. How would I know he died in 1888, a year where the English language was far more formal sounding and vastly different from how we use English to this day, moral standards that would've been classified as offensive and wrong today, and depictions of gender, appearance, and superstition being a lot more rampant? That would've made for such a unique premise as we could've gotten different backgrounds, cultures, morals, understandings, all of that.

But I don't feel they'd be as memorable as a result because of the certain crowd that the Hazbin Hotel community is.

We could've seen hell through different standards and ethical thresholds, where people's standards of "redemption" can vary greatly, which would only overwhelm Charlie as a result once she realizes not everyone shares the same mindset of what's good and bad. Religion could've been explored so well. Show us how people from other religions and beliefs would react to seeing a world they didn't expect to see because their religion told them differently. Show us how they would take their form and have it be something a lot more than noseless freaks and genderspecial furbaits.

There are so many things to consider in hell and its inhabitants. So many things Vivzie could've explored. So many things that would help divide the overwhelming question of religion, good/bad thresholds, and the standards of redemption. Hazbin Hotel could've possibly been one of the greatest ways to showcase hell in a different light, exploring numerous themes along the way (i.e. showcasing the backward understandings of what gets one into Heaven, how differing religions can impact the overall view of Heaven as many religions have different depictions of heaven, how some people just cannot be redeemed and Charlie realizing not every sinner is just some innocent soul since, y'know, they got to hell for a reason, etc.) while still keeping in the one goal of Charlie doing her hardest to redeem people.

But as we already know, that went down the drain before it even started. Sucks we're having to wait a year or two just for the darn show to actually show Charlie doing the thing she should've been doing during the first season. Gosh.

Unrelated, but have some outfit complaints I wanted to slap in after I finished typing the things above.

Spoiler: outfit complaining

Pentious died in 1888, right? Him having a more Victorian-era dress vest would've fit him a lot more than his clothing looking like Fortnite reskins from Alastor and Vox. I'd like to imagine him wearing the suit from the 1880s (obviously), and since he already has a pretty good character design, this would fit him quite perfectly. His design isn't too far off, but I still wish they focused more on accuracy than the same tailored suit as I mentioned before.

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For Vox, he died in the fifties, right? Wouldn't he wear something akin to that era, something that would make the audience go "Oh, so he's a 50s guy! I didn't know that.". How are we suppose to know dude's from the 50s? Does this look like the 50s to you?? He's no different from Alastor and Sir Pentious's clothing, dang it.

Vox would've rocked so hard with this outfit. This outfit gives off the impression of a weatherman, or a man who has high charisma and could swoon anyone to his bidding and feet. Looking at Vox's wear, what does he give off? That's the thing. There's nothing much to really go far off of other than thinking "his suit looks no different from Alastor lol".

 

[Doctor of Autism]

For Vox, he died in the fifties, right? Wouldn't he wear something akin to that era, something that would make the audience go "Oh, so he's a 50s guy! I didn't know that.". How are we suppose to know dude's from the 50s? Does this look like the 50s to you?? He's no different from Alastor and Sir Pentious's clothing, dang it.

According to supplementary materials, Vox used to have a 50s TV head but he changed it somehow.

 

[AnOminous]

According to supplementary materials, Vox used to have a 50s TV head but he changed it somehow.

Tbh it would be pretty impractical to have one of those giant-ass '50s console TVs for a head.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Tbh it would be pretty impractical to have one of those giant-ass '50s console TVs for a head.

U wot m8?

 

[Retink Retunk]

For Vox, he died in the fifties, right? Wouldn't he wear something akin to that era, something that would make the audience go "Oh, so he's a 50s guy! I didn't know that.". How are we suppose to know dude's from the 50s? Does this look like the 50s to you?? He's no different from Alastor and Sir Pentious's clothing, dang it.

I don't get Vox at all, he's supposed to be TV guy but in the song Stayed Gone they make a major point about him buffering which is a streaming thing not really a television issue. I get that TVs moved onto being stream based through the Internet, but isn't that Velvette's thing? She's the Internet person while Vox is more traditional and competes for the same boomer audience as Alastor?

I like the V's as well, I'd watch a show about them, but dumb shit like that makes them less interesting.

Also, huge miss on not making Vox bipolar with him swinging between the wholesome dad of the 50's sitcoms to the extremes of Jerry Springer. Sure, radio and movies had that kind of swing as well, but it was probably most drastic on TV with everything being Leave It To Beaver only to becoming Springer and Judge Judy.

 

[AnOminous]

Also, huge miss on not making Vox bipolar with him swinging between the wholesome dad of the 50's sitcoms to the extremes of Jerry Springer. Sure, radio and movies had that kind of swing as well, but it was probably most drastic on TV with everything being Leave It To Beaver only to becoming Springer and Judge Judy.

What would have been good was just continuing the obvious thematic aversion between radio and video.

I suppose just gay shit was more important than that more important argument about types of media.

Vivz just had to tard out and fujo out.

 

[Retink Retunk]

What would have been good was just continuing the obvious thematic aversion between radio and video.

I suppose just gay shit was more important than that more important argument about types of media.

Vivz just had to tard out and fujo out.

Everyone she writes is the same, every bad character behaves like Mammon, every antihero behaves like Alastor, etc.

 

[didelphigina]

I don't get Vox at all, he's supposed to be TV guy but in the song Stayed Gone they make a major point about him buffering which is a streaming thing not really a television issue. I get that TVs moved onto being stream based through the Internet, but isn't that Velvette's thing? She's the Internet person while Vox is more traditional and competes for the same boomer audience as Alastor?

I like the V's as well, I'd watch a show about them, but dumb shit like that makes them less interesting.

Also, huge miss on not making Vox bipolar with him swinging between the wholesome dad of the 50's sitcoms to the extremes of Jerry Springer. Sure, radio and movies had that kind of swing as well, but it was probably most drastic on TV with everything being Leave It To Beaver only to becoming Springer and Judge Judy.

Still wish they kept his older design. It felt more threatening and he felt less like an Alastor clone and more of his own identity. He looked like an actual overlord too, in the process. Like, an individual I can look at and go, "Oh wow, this character looks like he's not meant to be bothered with". Plus, I can't get the hatred he has for Alastor, either. Aren't they literally 20 years apart in the eras they died in?

Unless Vox stopped caring about old-fashioned TVs once he got exposed to how current TVs looked after seeing them in hell, and grew an infatuation with the concept of progression and the desires for new over old but since there's no loredump about that, all I see is petty, useless fighting for the sake of giving fans an excuse to ship them and an excuse for a musical.

Spoiler: old vox

And him having bipolar episodes in terms of changing how he presents himself as if he were on TV's a really great idea, honestly. Again, another case of a character having so much big potential to work with due to the era they died in but instead all we got is a tech-obsessed overlord who has a massive hate boner for the radio demon who's entirely personality is "I HATE THAT RADIO DEMON!!" and the show REALLY likes reminding on you how much he just DEPLORES him.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Still wish they kept his older design. It felt more threatening and he felt less like an Alastor clone and more of his own identity. He looked like an actual overlord too, in the process. Like, an individual I can look at and go, "Oh wow, this character looks like he's not meant to be bothered with". Plus, I can't get the hatred he has for Alastor, either. Aren't they literally 20 years apart in the eras they died in?

I don't really like his old design, he looks too much like an insect in it. What I really dislike about his new design is the striped shirt, it makes me think streamer, had he just had a suit the argument could be that he's a late night talk show host. Fuck it, make him be the guy shot in the head at the end of Joker, so not only was he in the industry but he died while broadcasting. Obviously you can't do that due to licensing, but you can ape it.

Oh, and speaking of the streamer aspect, why does he have a wifi symbol on him? If anything Alastor and Vox could have a reason to hate streamers as they borrow from both.

 

[AnOminous]

Everyone she writes is the same, every bad character behaves like Mammon, every antihero behaves like Alastor, etc.

This could have been so good. *sobs*

 

[liam dees]

so this is my summary of this current discussion thus far: eternal child builds her world only on the surface level and dicks around instead of focusing on bringing the themes together with cohesive worldbuilding and storytelling. and somehow gets millions in funding and a spotlight on Amazon's streaming service next to Reacher and The Grand Tour. feelsbadman

 

[InJailOutSoon]

If you look at the comic way back that was about Alastor, Vox was a worthy opponent to Alastor. They had equal standing with one another. I'm also personally fine with Vox updating himself to current times because you get the added bonus of old vs. new. Granted, I feel like it would make more sense for him to die later than when he did; when television was at its height.

The problem is there is already a huge cast of characters and given the way the show was produced, there's just not a lot of time to deep dive into every single one. I find Vox to be one of the more interesting characters for sure, but if we're given eight episodes for the second season, his arc will most likely be unsatisfying and rushed.

Honestly, Viv should have just made this into a comic series. Not only could she keep the relatively better and more creative designs, but she could actually expand on the characters in a more effective manner. Then again....this is Viv. The writing would still be shit.

 

[liam dees]

if we're given eight episodes for the second season

This is a disastrous idea, to give a show with this much going on so little airtime. We ain't talking about eight hour-long episodes like the live-action format, because if they tried doing that people would die midway through production.

But giving them more episodes would be too much of a commitment to the team, which would result in hiatuses more infamous than Steven Universe's. It's a Catch-22 like situation where the crew are stuck with too little too late. Of course we can all name who is responsible for letting the project snowball to this point: Vivz and the people who keep feeding her new inane ideas that detract from the focal point and theme of the show.

 

[The Nothingness]

Also, huge miss on not making Vox bipolar with him swinging between the wholesome dad of the 50's sitcoms to the extremes of Jerry Springer. Sure, radio and movies had that kind of swing as well, but it was probably most drastic on TV with everything being Leave It To Beaver only to becoming Springer and Judge Judy.

Or since the 50s have been demonized (hehe) for the past decades, Vox could have been presented as the wholesome Hugh Beaumont dad while having a darker personality under the surface. Kind of like how Mike Nelson portrayed him.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

This could have been so good. *sobs*

eternal child builds her world only on the surface level and dicks around instead of focusing on bringing the themes together with cohesive worldbuilding and storytelling.

10 years. 10 motherfucking years, and she has not improved one bit. That meme drawing of her as Chris-chan posted in the thread earlier was actually accurate - she really is just a way more talented/lucky version of him.

 

[Retink Retunk]

We ain't talking about eight hour-long episodes like the live-action format

For a second I read this is as each episode being eight hours long and was really concerned about what was happening on television these days.