Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Doctor of Autism]

Reminder that Stolas still has Imp slaves

 

[A Grey Cat]

Reminder that Stolas still has Imp slaves

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My guess is...he (I think he's the only one they still have) still gets to live in a nice house and stollas still has some perks like decent food and amenities. Even if it doesn't pay getting to live in realitve luxury even a shadow of one is better than what most imps get.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

And yet, you'd have zero idea Angel Dust was a mobster who died in the 40s because he acts and dresses like a slutty wannabe edgelord you might see today at a convention, most people who go into the show without going over the outside material would have no fucking idea he was a violent mobster who overdosed back in the 40s. Not even his tommy guns give it away because Blitzo uses a fucking flintlock for some reason. (Man why DOES he use a flintlock? This has been bothering me since HB's pilot, there's no way he couldn't just get a revolver or something with an actually useful rate of fire), Nifty allegedly died in the 50s despite acting like any "lol, I'm so crazy and edgy" Tiktoker you'd see if you turned on your phone right now.

HH can't/doesn't depict these characters as being from their time periods because that would require them to use a vocabulary that contained words we regard as offensive now. These folks would be dropping a lot of homophobic slang like "fag" and "fairy" plus a lot of racist shit like "nigger", "chink", "gook", "kike", etc. Do you really expect me to believe a majority of folks in Hell would be perfectly okay with the daughter of Satan being a LGBT Disney princess? Most cultures and time periods were less than friendly towards homosexuals. She'd be exploited for her naivete.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

HH can't/doesn't depict these characters as being from their time periods because that would require them to use a vocabulary that contained words we regard as offensive now.

Nah its because they wouldn't be as marketable if they were seen as regular old humans.

 

[didelphigina]

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I think that's the point. He only cares for Blitzo and mildly tolerates his friends. This was shown in the Harvest Moon Episode where he clearly dehumanized (deimpinized?) the imps by thanking them for slaving themselves to the brim to satisfy the nutritional economy for the higher ups.

He's not this sweet and wholesome guy everyone makes him out to be. He cares for Blitzo only and if he didn't like him, he'd be no different from how his father, Paimon, saw them. Remember, he called him his plaything in S1:E6. I still wanna know what Stolas exactly saw in Blitzo that made him crush on the dude at first sight during their childhood. I get it, love at first sight is a real thing. But nothing else was added to it! What was even his own views on imps as a child? Did it ever change or was it almost the same with how Paimon saw them but with Blitzo (and his maybe his friends) as the only exception???

Again, kind of funny to think about when you take a few minutes to think about the things the show showed.

Though, that imp slave got it good. He's a slave, yes, and was thrown once by Stella in S1;E2, but he's fairly treated well somewhat as it showed in S1:E7 he somehow had the money to buy his way into Ozzie's. Happily rooted for that dude when I first saw it.

No, this does not mean Stolas cares about the dude. He's just getting his money's worth and I remember that image of someone comparing Stolas' butler when he was a child with Stolas' butler as an adult being related. I'd like to think of that as canon. Maybe it's why he somehow got paid and wasn't working penniless.

Nah she is going to be supportive of him since the show wants to really hammer in how much of a "good" father Stolas is.

The latest episode even had "le symbolism" with Stolas having all his portraits in his house covered up except for Octavia being seen and Blitzo had the same with him scratching out himself from all the pictures. THEY HAVE PARALLELS WHICH MAKE THEM STAR CROSSED LOVERS

In the S2:E12 leak sent several years ago, it showed Octavia leaving her father and practically telling him in his face to go continue lusting over imp penis. Not in the way I explained but it was kind of like that. Wish she went all out and give him a good old slap so the fujoshies can cry about her becoming Stella or some stupid shtick.

The leaked bits of the episode also shows her singing a song that's an opposite parallel from Stolas' "You'll Be Okay" song as it explained her realizing that everything her dad did for was a front. That all their memories were meant tl be temporary. That Stolas only cared for her long enough until he was able to neglect her withlkt any additional guilt. Of course, this is only my interpretation of it. I worry they'll change some parts of it to make it a neutral song against Stolas and not a full on hatred against the father who ignored his daughter's mere existence for Blitzo.

I mean, we've seen how he only cares and feels bad for his actions once it's slapped in his face and not when it's casually in his thoughts. He never once brought up Octavia in the recent S2:E8 song, not once worrying about if he was truly willing to put an imp over his daughter that he knew for most of his life. It was just Blitzy, Blitzy, Blitzy! That indefinitely showed he doesn't care about his daughter unless he's pressured to, dang it.

And the echo chamber of a fandom already worries enough that Octavia will become a Stella 2.0 if she stayed with her instead of Stolas. But y'know what? Let her be one. She's been through all of this trouble and y'all really thinking she's gonna forgive her dad after all of this? After practically reminding himself of her existence when she has him mentally pinned to the ground?

The show will indeed sadly either make her blindly believe whatever hackjob of a reassuring dialogue that someone will say to her or she'll (justifiably) turn into a second Stella. If that ever happens, I know the fandom will antagonize Stella more and treat it as "proof" she's this evil, abusive wife who has as much influence over Stolas as an imp trying to provoke a Deadly Sin or a sinner with an Overlord.

Anyone who legitimately thinks Blitzo and Stolas are done is retarded. Viv is their number one shipper and is clearly trying to milk her slow burn, angsty yaoi for all it's worth. They're obviously going to be endgame, and if those leaks I shared are to be believed, it's going to be the most eyeroll-worthy shit with Stolas giving up his immortality to be with Blitzo and becoming IMP's new secretary after Loona gets promoted to assassin.

This is quite possibly the worst thing I ever had to imagine. But it's not impossible. He would commit a Hercules (movie) and giving up being immortal for an imp he has as much knowledge about as a crack addict with how many "leaked documents" he has about the CIA.

Like what Lucas said, that'd be tragic for Octavia and the fandom will still gas this up, with maybe a few blokes waking up. But this also means Stella can kill off her husband much easier now if she ever considered wanting Jim dead again.

Despite having a mass array of powers, he's too much of a weird pacifist who only uses his strongest abilities when he has to. In a way, that is the point of his character. But on the other hand, he took, from what I'm assuming, two decades of their marriage just to do the bare minimum and prevent a literal slap that the fandom went crazy over, maybe then I'd understand his "I don't wanna be like her" ideals.

What did she even do to you other than occasionally throw things when mad and call you some mean names? Yeah, she hired a hitman, but it was all for nothing in the end cause she calls it off and basically didn't flip her brother off and demand Striker to end him already. Don't want our precious owl boye too injured!

Ugh, thinking about that really hurts my head because of how possible that might be. What if he even convinces Octavia to sacrifice her immortality (if she and Stella even have one lol) to stay with him and Blitzo.

A fate worst than the strongest pain itself.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

The show will indeed sadly either make her blindly believe whatever hackjob of a reassuring dialogue that someone will say to her or she'll (justifiably) turn into a second Stella. If that ever happens, I know the fandom will antagonize Stella more and treat it as "proof" she's this evil, abusive wife who has as much influence over Stolas as an imp trying to provoke a Deadly Sin or a sinner with an Overlord.

If Octavia becomes a second Stella, it would be temprorary and she'd be the one apologizing, but the reassuring dialogue bit is also very likely since that is how all conflict with her is resolved.

I think that's the point. He only cares for Blitzo and mildly tolerates his friends. This was shown in the Harvest Moon Episode where he clearly dehumanized (deimpinized?) the imps by thanking them for slaving themselves to the brim to satisfy the nutritional economy for the higher ups.

I just bring it up since Helluva Boss fans act like Stolas is this super wholesome guy who has done nothing wrong and is a pure saint.

 

[didelphigina]

HH can't/doesn't depict these characters as being from their time periods because that would require them to use a vocabulary that contained words we regard as offensive now. These folks would be dropping a lot of homophobic slang like "fag" and "fairy" plus a lot of racist shit like "nigger", "chink", "gook", "kike", etc. Do you really expect me to believe a majority of folks in Hell would be perfectly okay with the daughter of Satan being a LGBT Disney princess? Most cultures and time periods were less than friendly towards homosexuals. She'd be exploited for her naivete.

I would give you a Semper Fi if I could. This is something Viv knew if she allowed, those merch sales and rabid fanbases wouldn't become as prominent as it is now. Vivzie forgot that Hell has a large array of people of different timelines, cultures, societal standards; everything. Not everyone is messing with their phones or having the dialogue of a millennial. Not everyone has this unanimous opinion on certain subject matters and if you know from irl, is insanely divided.

She had to make it marketable, hence why there's barely any real worldbuilding in the dang show. Hence why Hell's overpopulation crisis isn't a crisis and just more of a poorly done thing that barely gets anywhere. Hence why the Hazbin Hotel barely had any real presence in the show.

Hence why Hell feels so modern and not a dilapidated mix of old, ancient, and modern. Hence whu they broke Alastor's character so hard in the official series (biggest example bekng the fight between him and Adam). Hence why so many potential ways to explore people of different societal and cultural backgrounds are not talked about once.

It's just Hell for millennials.

I just bring it up since Helluva Boss fans act like Stolas is this super wholesome guy who has done nothing wrong and is a pure saint.

People are actually aware of Stolas' flaws but they handle it terribly and loophole themselves into saying he's only like this because he's being abused by Stella or as an effect of him being forced into a marriage he had no control over.

For the marriage part, I do get it. Being forced into something can have lasting effects. But what about Stella? Why don't we see her side on the matter? Is the marriage being a reason why she's so "abusive"? Is it the fact she's also powerless and that fact she has to accept her entire existence as the wife to Stolas? Nah, wait, she's the one note cartoon villain who was actually evil this whole time and who Stolas despised the moment he stared at a picture of her for three seconds! So she doesn't matter!!

 

[Colon capital V]

Octavia watching her beloved father abandon her to live his prostitute affair would be extremely tragic but it's what this thrashfire of a show deserves. I hope it's played completely straight and she still hates him.

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WAIT WAIT WAIT, PED THE FUCKING BREAKS!
Guys we've been looking at this all wrong! You know what this show really needed from the beginning? It's not romance, it's not good character development, hell it's not even "satisfying conclusions".
This is hell.
What this show should've been was 3 straight seasons of misery porn. I'm talking "Watership Down/The Boys comic" levels of depravity, where characters are raped/tortured/trafficked into the worst situations. And everytime it looks like there is some sparkle of hope for them, it just gets worse and worse, to the point it ends with a major death in one of the casts until finally all thats left are the innocent few (like Octavia) having to face the brutal landscape of Hell without royalty protecting her. There are no winners in this story, and it's nothing but depression seeing the worst demons and the truly sinful can do to each other.
I'm half joking of course, but could you imagine?

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

WAIT WAIT WAIT, PED THE FUCKING BREAKS!
Guys we've been looking at this all wrong! You know what this show really needed from the beginning? It's not romance, it's not good character development, hell it's not even "satisfying conclusions".
This is hell.
What this show should've been was 3 straight seasons of misery porn. I'm talking "Watership Down/The Boys comic" levels of depravity, where characters are raped/tortured/trafficked into the worst situations. And everytime it looks like there is some sparkle of hope for them, it just gets worse and worse, to the point it ends with a major death in one of the casts until finally all thats left are the innocent few (like Octavia) having to face the brutal landscape of Hell without royalty protecting her. There are no winners in this story, and it's nothing but depression seeing the worst demons and the truly sinful can do to each other.
I'm half joking of course, but could you imagine?

I'm pretty sure that's what the original script was like. But after the pilot was released, they lost the script some how, and had to pull of the first erotic fanfic off DeviantArt and use that instead.

Why else would the show depart from the pilot as much?

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I'm pretty sure that's what the original script was like. But after the pilot was released, they lost the script some how, and had to pull of the first erotic fanfic off DeviantArt and use that instead.

Why else would the show depart from the pilot as much?

I can think of at least one reason: Vivzie wouldn't have actually come up with the script that Colon capital V describes.

You're giving her way too much credit.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I'm not saying Blitzø hasn't made mistakes (obviously, he has made a lot of mistakes outside of Stolas, but this is me talking about in regards to Stolas). He did try to steal the book, he initiated the whole sexual stuff between them, he did fuck him first out of pity, and he has been avoiding the problem that has been arising since they haven't had their full moon transactional fucking for the past few months. And yes, yelling and hurling insults at Stolas wasn't probably a good thing either.

The problem is that the show either wants you to ignore mistakes that Stolas has made, downplay their egregiousness, and/or give excuses to them. Stolas doesn't realize how much power he has here. Which would be fine, if the was going to be addressed. The idea of Stolas feeling that he's powerless because of the way his life has gone, even though he actually does have a lot of control and is powerful. I just don't think the show is going to take that route. Stolas is also just a terrible listener. He only ever takes things at a surface level value. He only ever sees what sort of problems he has caused after they have happened. That's why it was cathartic when Blitzø yelled at him. That's why it's going to be so cathartic when Octavia finally tells him off. Because what they are saying is pretty much true.

 

[Colon capital V]

Why else would the show depart from the pilot as much?

Well besides Vivz being incapable of writing intreguing characters, the thought of "8 episodes of 3 seasons filled with uncomfortable, distressing scenes of demons being actual depraved creatures with each other" isn't exactly a good sell compared to millions of retard girls willing to drop cash fawning over how owl boy dindu nuffin and that he should get dicked every night by his demon (not-assassin) killer.

 

[LucasSomething]

For the marriage part, I do get it. Being forced into something can have lasting effects. But what about Stella? Why don't we see her side on the matter?

She's the ex-girlfriend in a yaoi fanfic written by a fujo, her only purpose is to be an abusive screaming harpy and will probably end the story sad, poor and alone. She never had a chance.

I just don't think the show is going to take that route. Stolas is also just a terrible listener. He only ever takes things at a surface level value. He only ever sees what sort of problems he has caused after they have happened.

I've seen multiple people insist that "Stolas only ignored Blitzo because it triggered Stella PTSD and he was forced to run away in panic to cope" which is stupid but also funny in the absurd lenghts people go to blame Stella for everything.

 

[The Fair Lady]

I'm almost certain Stella won't even survive to the end of the series, she's likely going to get killed off in the season 2 finale. Viv hates her that much. An older leak claimed that Octavia kills her (and Andrealphus I think) but I can't vouch for the validity of that one.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

It's just Hell for millennials.

I think that’s the point. I think that’s been the point ever since Vivzie made that tweet claiming “we be reclaiming Hell for da queers!” From what I’ve seen of Zoophobia, having Hell involved has always just been for the edge factor and quite possibly owning the dang dirty homophobic Christians.

 

[LucasSomething]

I'm almost certain Stella won't even survive to the end of the series, she's likely going to get killed off in the season 2 finale. Viv hates her that much. An older leak claimed that Octavia kills her (and Andrealphus I think) but I can't vouch for the validity of that one.

There are only 3 possible ways i can see Stella ending in this show

>1:Some bullshit happens and Stella goes to jail for hiring a hitman, losing the divorce and all money

>2: Stella fucking dies out of nowhere and everyone celebrates, including her own daughter.

>3 The revenge porn route: Stela not only loses everything, her family forces her into another arranged marriage with an abusive husband that beats and molests her daily while she can do nothing about it.

If vivzie hates Stella she'll pick 2. If vivzie hates all women in general she'll pick 3.

 

[Cave Fisher]

Stolas is such a bizarre character, because I don't think I've EVER seen a character with a wider contrast between how the narrative frames him and who he actually is since American Psycho, which was supposed to be intentional because he's the narrator.
Whatever man, I just hope Octavia gets a happy ending of some sort by the end, because she's as tired of all this childish gay shit as the audience is. I swear if that storyboard of her finally cutting Stolas off happens, I will drop this show on the spot and pretend that's the series finale.

Stolas is also just a terrible listener. He only ever takes things at a surface level value.

One of the biggest problems with Stolas is that he has very little, if any empathy and pretty much never takes other people's emotions into consideration until he finally gets a reality check that he promptly ignores next episode "My 17 year old daughter is sick of me and my weirdly cartoonishly evil wife fighting over me cheaing? I know! I'll take her to a park for children and flirt with the guy I uprooted basically her whole life for. Some imp who barely knows me is fighting for his life and I CAN SEE HIM almost getting shot multiple times? Perfect time to make him my bitch. My daughter ran off to the human world and might be in danger? Meh, lemme flirt with my imp fucktoy."

 

[Dave.]

Watched the latest episode and this isn’t a comedy anymore it’s a vapid melodrama

 

[Guysho]

I'll get around to it when I get around to it.

Every June, was the HB fandom.com logo in gay people month mode?

 

[AnOminous]

I'll get around to it when I get around to it.

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Every June, was the HB fandom.com logo in gay people month mode?

It's kind of entirely appropriate for the theme of the show.