Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Hammersmith]

This isn't how to work with "Show, don't Tell" because we, the audience, need to know what he did these people. What did he do? Did he mistreat them, take advantage of them, anything?

No! We're just told to believe these are ALL his ex's and we can't question it. Nope, no thinking in this household. Just accept that these whiners just so happened got their feelings hurt by BLITZO of all demons in hell! Wowsa!

It’s really ironic, honestly.

The first time Vivziepop decides to show the audience some world-building or present character flaws, she fucks it up to the extreme. Every time in the past HH or HB episodes, we were told who did what or who they are. Now, Viv has tried to show Blitz’s consequences for his supposed actions, and the results are just jarring. There’s no buildup in any previous episodes to warrant such a payoff. Nothing. These people just popped into existence because they hated Blitz for dumping them. Seriously? What a deus ex machina! It’s simply so bizarre that it happened so suddenly and without warning.. almost as if Viv tried to grasp at straws to pin the blame on Blitz. In other words, she pulled all these background characters out of her ass to further her ship obsession, because fuck logic and fuck the audience's intelligence.

This really demonstrates how far Medrano will go to butcher her own series to appease the shippers she likes. And what's really scary is that she said she planned all of this in advance. If true, this doesn't bode well for HB and HH. What a waste of a great concept.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Apparently for Stella's backstory and POV, which Viv stated we'll get in the future, she took inspiration from Beatrice from Bojack. And all I have to say is, no. Bojack is kinda overrated but tbh, but Beatrice, despite how hateable she was, always had her tragic past and troubled life hinted at even when she was being an abusive and vile bitch. So when we finally flashed back to her past, it didn't feel contradictory.

Meanwhile Stella is this one-dimensional womanchild whose entire personality is "I love hating on Stolas. Ain't I so evil? Muahahahahahaha". Giving her backstory gravitas is kind of like if Big Jack Horner/Bill Cipher suddenly had a flashback episode and his backstory was that of Scarlemagne from Kipo or Magneto from X-Men. Like wtf?

To be fair Stella’s life could have potential for tragedy to work with, but as you said Vivzie made her one dimensional.

Like Vivzie could’ve perhaps hinted at it instead of making her overly sadistic and stupid in the two episodes she appeared in the season.

Viv stop giving every one of your characters' tragic backstories. That's not how you give them depth. You already ruined her by changing her motive of "embarrassment from being cheated on with the lowest class, and potentially may have loved her husband before the affair" to "just always has hated Stolas since the beginning". Don't try to explain it now with some out of nowhere flashback. I'd rather see how she interacts with her daughter; not her fucking childhood. Oh god...is this going to be one of the shorts? Please don't let this be one of the shorts.

50 episodes of Helluva Boss is the plan.
We get to have fun sitting through 43 more episodes of this shit.

Maybe if the show wasn't speed running through everything, it could have lasted that long. But people are already getting tired by the show now. I doubt they would want to stick with it even longer.

 

[Roger Dennis]

@didelphigina speaking of Stella, any updates on that drawing of her and KiwiFarms?

 

[CyrusHowler]

@didelphigina speaking of Stella, any updates on that drawing of her and KiwiFarms?

This is the info we really need to know.

 

[didelphigina]

@didelphigina speaking of Stella, any updates on that drawing of her and KiwiFarms?

I'll probably get into it this week after I finish handling with my college junk. Haven't exactly had the time to do it but don't think I haven't been thinking about it throughout the weeks, haha.

It’s really ironic, honestly.

The first time Vivziepop decides to show the audience some world-building or present character flaws, she fucks it up to the extreme. Every time in the past HH or HB episodes, we were told who did what or who they are. Now, Viv has tried to show Blitz’s consequences for his supposed actions, and the results are just jarring. There’s no buildup in any previous episodes to warrant such a payoff. Nothing. These people just popped into existence because they hated Blitz for dumping them. Seriously? What a deus ex machina! It’s simply so bizarre that it happened so suddenly and without warning.. almost as if Viv tried to grasp at straws to pin the blame on Blitz. In other words, she pulled all these background characters out of her ass to further her ship obsession, because fuck logic and fuck the audience's intelligence.

This really demonstrates how far Medrano will go to butcher her own series to appease the shippers she likes. And what's really scary is that she said she planned all of this in advance. If true, this doesn't bode well for HB and HH. What a waste of a great concept.

This woman's the worst example of making effective worldbuilding. I've never seen a creator be so creative yet so bankrupt with that creatively simultaneously. I'm actually impressed because how DOES she achieve that? How can you have so many ideas yet barely showcase it to your fans? How can a creator waste something that could've what been the most creative ways to interpret hell? How can a creator waste giving actual grounded depth to a character that isn't just "sobbing crying tears trauma" over and over again?

Doesn't matter, her fans accept anything she says or barely explain/show as gospel, anyway. They just care for the pretty colors and shipping wars. It's no wonder why so many of them wait until the show's really at a hard point in its life to go "wait.... this show's less fair/makes less sense than i thought....", but I'm being optimistic here.

Oh god...is this going to be one of the shorts? Please don't let this be one of the shorts.

I can unfortunately see that coming. I'm gonna rip that short a new one if it actually ends up being made because I can envision her doing that - especially now that more people are starting to call out Stolitz and Stolas' hypocrisy and how much of a douche he actually really was in the show. While it may be the "minority" doing it, it's no surprise a lot more people are calling out about it. It's not enough, though. A good majority of the fandom still supports Stolitz and Vivziepop will do whatever she can to keep her blind sheep of a fanbase under her grasp.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I can picture Vivzie having the Stella backstory be sad and I picture a bizarre redemption for the sake of more merchandising.

Like I don’t know why but I feel some of the writing decisions were motivated for the sake of more merchandise

 

[didelphigina]

I can picture Vivzie having the Stella backstory be sad and I picture a bizarre redemption for the sake of more merchandising.

Like I don’t know why but I feel some of the writing decisions were motivated for the sake of more merchandise

Much like your average corporation, they only care for changing things to save their reputation rather than out of genuine reason. This time, it's Vivziepop trying to gaslight her gullible audience again with her terrible writing decisions.

 

[perry 23 tack]

On the video of Spindlehorse anti Mr. Sandman aka woomycritiques543 on Tumblr (a lolcow who is sadly useful) they requested to spread around twitter user and spindlehorse documenter helluvareceipts as well as the Passionfruit article to as many video essayists as possible

And apparently they convinced one of their subscribers to talk to faggot center-left essayist TheRightOpinion into covering Spindle by sending him the documents and evidence and apparently really did manage to convince him to maybe look into it.

(woomy's reaction is eye-rolling though)

Honestly, while I think TRO is kinda eh, he makes somewhat high quality essays and expose videos. It would be nice to see a famous video essayists make an extensive breakdown and expose on Spindlehorse' degeneracy. If Turkey Tom can't cover the studio, TRO will have to do. Though I hope he waits till those NDAs expire this July cause then he'll have more evidence. Spindlehorse makes Rooster Teeth's working conditions feel like paradise.

 

[The Fair Lady]

So, remember how incestuous Andrealphus was?

https://www.tumblr.com/chaifootsteps/755394357801123840/weve-got-confirmation-that-stella-and-andrealphus?source=share

 

[perry 23 tack]

So, remember how incestuous Andrealphus was?
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Yeah, I'm definitely buying into the theory that they just made Eric Andrepussy gay because of the backlash to the incest joke in "Unhappy Campers".

 

[Guysho]

The DHORKS appearance lasted less than a pretzel on the floor with my cat nearby.
Disappointed, now we're discussing an owl and still no I.M.P focused episodes. I had to look it up, I had forgotten it was called I.M.P.. Unfortunate state of affairs, wouldn't be surprised if these two series become the first show-based speedruns in the upcoming troonfest that is AGDQ.

 

[Seafarer]

Elon buys Helluva Boss and fires the voice cast, replacing Brandon Rogers with Nick Fuentes.

Please god no, the show's already gay enough.

I know it’s a shitpost but the idea of Elon buying HH/HB gives me “Sargon’s plan to get Trump to tweet about Gamergate” vibes.

 

[Roger Dennis]

So, remember how incestuous Andrealphus was?
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What the actual fuck? Can’t Viv leave the poor girl alone already?

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

So, remember how incestuous Andrealphus was?
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Yeah, I'm definitely buying into the theory that they just made Eric Andrepussy gay because of the backlash to the incest joke in "Unhappy Campers".

If Viv just picked a damn lane and stuck with it, I could begrudgingly respect that. But if this is legit we're flipping from "Woman who despite being a bitch about it you can see where she's coming from" to "One note villain who literally strangles puppies as a child" to "Oh she was abused so it's not her fault she's a massive bitch despite being a fully grown adult" It's pathetic.

It's why I have zero hope for Alastor's character, because you 100% know his backstory is going to involve his one-note villainous dad kicking his ass as a kid, and that's going to be treated as absolving him of all the evil shit he does, since Viv can't write actually complex characters to save her life.

 

[King Metalia]

Elon buys Helluva Boss and fires the voice cast, replacing Brandon Rogers with Nick Fuentes.

May God have mercy on us all if that day comes.

So, remember how incestuous Andrealphus was?
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I wish Viv had the courage to just admit see wants to make fetish pornography at this point.

 

[Activelo]

Viv just did an interview on the Lightweights Podcast

For anybody looking for a TL;DR that I shamelessly copy and pasted:

• There will be 50 HelluvaBoss episodes
• There's gonna be new characters, cast, and potiental cameos in S2 of Hazbin
• Her music taste influences how she makes characters
• S2 of HB has been written 3 years ago and started recording around the same time
• The first half of S3 is written and recorded fully
• S3 has more assistant writers
• Viv's favourite part of making it is writing the scripts and directing
• S3 of HB Is the first time they're doing it in person
• A second is 24 drawings usually
• Her studio is nearly 200 people
• Viv wants hazbinhotel to be as many seasons as she can get
• We will get into Stella's backstory and she'll become more of a villain eventually.
• We will explore more of the ArsGoeittan royalty
• Seasons 3 and 4 will be very long and have many story arcs for HB
• Viv really wants to cross over all 7 sins (including Lucifer) together. She probably hopes to get approval from a24 to put Lucifer in HelluvaBoss.
• We will see the rest of the deadly sins potentially soon.
• Viv is not afraid to kill of characters.
• Viv said "Wish we had more time w/ Adam" indicating he will not reappear as a sinner in HH.
• Stolas will not die like many think.
• There might be death in both shows.
• S2 of HH is fully written and recorded.
• BrandonRogers encouraged/gave Viv the idea to explore Stolitz more.
• Viv would love to do a crossover as a movie between Hazbin Hotel & HelluvaBoss but probably needs a24 approval .

 

[Clancee]

How would a HH and HB movie crossover even work? The entire reason Viv made HB was because she thought an assassin duo like Moxie and Blitz wouldn't fit well into the drama-focused show that was going to be Hazbin. They were originally going to be a comedic relief duo or something along those lines.

How would Stolas and his gay ass even fit into the events concerning Hazbin?

 

[perry 23 tack]

How would a HH and HB movie crossover even work? The entire reason Viv made HB was because she thought an assassin duo like Moxie and Blitz wouldn't fit well into the drama-focused show that was going to be Hazbin. They were originally going to be a comedic relief duo or something along those lines.

How would Stolas and his gay ass even fit into the events concerning Hazbin?

And also, more importantly. Even if this is "movie" is meant to be released online and not in theaters (please don't, or maybe do it because I want it to flop), how do you expect anyone not familiar with either show to suddenly get into this shit? They're probably gonna cram a half-assed generic story akin to the 2017 MLP Movie. The entire cast will be underdeveloped because you're cramming two gigantic casts into one movie that will probably run for 3 hours at most.

 

[Islamic Jihad Rocket]

>We will get into Stella's backstory and she'll become more of a villain eventually.

I'm partly interested in this and also dreading it, probably the only character in the show I'm interested in at this point (besides striker, but too bad they did him dirty by portraying him as incompetent and dumb in later episodes). I already know how its gonna go down and consider me but she really is the only reason I kinda have any interest in the show now tbh.

Knowing how the writing is, its probably gonna be some cop-out bullshit of why shes "evil"; but I'd rather take more screen-time with her than the gay fag shit Viv keeps pushing.

 

[perry 23 tack]

Due to the evidently declining views of HB and its equally declining merch, I honestly think Season 3 and especially 4 is gonna struggle in production and completion.

They're probably gonna have to cut a few frames and cheapen animating/cleanup and if they do not, then outcry from ex-employees will get louder and news of abuse at SH will just get worse.