Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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So, it turns out Stella was originally being to be part of the trial. Note the mascara tears.
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Also Octavia would've been there?
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Seeing the second storyboard, what they intended to show, they really shot themselves in the foot with this plan if they’re hoping people will not cheer for Octavia next episode. Like, it really is him breaking the one promise he made to her. He shown abandoning her, specifically to die in place of his sex pet because he thought he was going to die.

At least there could be an argument that Stella and Andre were being manipulative if it was Stolas on trial. Sure they would need to make up only 5% of all allegations, if that, but still, at least then it would be he was forced to leave, not that he made active choices that led to his banishment, that started with abandoning his daughter to die for the imp. Also did any of the previous 2 episodes really have any impact on this one? Cause I felt like if you cut them, nothing of value will be lost.
 
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"let me maipulate the entirety of hell into believing i am a asshole..."

Stolas really is such a nice guy

Reminder that he thought he would've been executed so he would've died for Blitzo before his own daughter. This is for a trial he was completely victimized in and could've simply not been there for.

Sure HB fans can whine how Stella is an asshole, and let's say she is because this type of shit just makes her look more justified.

Not to mention, if Stolas died, he basically left his daughter with her only family being a possibly emotionally abusive mother and her evil greedy uncle, so he is a terrible father if we are taking his point of view into account.
 
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I understand now Stella knowing blitzo had the grimoire but her knowing their entire deal and relationship is nonsensical. As she says, "Stolas is sad and realized the lower class was only using him to acess the grimoire", which is not public knowledge. Stella also clearly has no fucking clue who blitzo is or his job and shouldn't know why Blitzo needed the book.

It would make more sense if Stella wrongly assumed Blitzo stole the book, which is what he gets accused for in the trial in the first place. Andre could've said something like "The grimoire records show someone has been using it to make portals to human world" and swerve back into blaming Stolas into being negligent. Like i said, there is no reason to target solely blitzo other than for the drama of watching Stolas save him at the last second

It's like this redditor expertly puts it


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Not to mention, if Stolas died, he basically left his daughter with her only family being a possibly emotionally abusive mother and her evil greedy uncle, so he is a terrible father if we are taking his point of view into account.

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FUCK STOLAS. ALL MY NIGGAS HATE STOLAS.
 
so many broken clocks around here, it's like Viv's horrendous writing is a brain-growing serum for terminally online retards

EDIT: WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT, HOLD TF UP -
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SO BRANDON WAS PLANNING TO BETRAY US ALL ALONG. OF FUCKING COURSE. WHY WOULD I ASSUME THAT VIV WOULD HIRE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FELLOW FUJO FANATICS? GOD-FUCKING-DAMN IT THIS WOMAN IS A PLAGUE ON THE INDUSTRY.
 
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so many broken clocks around here, it's like Viv's horrendous writing is a brain-growing serum for terminally online retards

EDIT: WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT, HOLD TF UP -
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SO BRANDON WAS PLANNING TO BETRAY US ALL ALONG. OF FUCKING COURSE. WHY WOULD I ASSUME THAT VIV WOULD HIRE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FELLOW FUJO FANATICS? GOD-FUCKING-DAMN IT THIS WOMAN IS A PLAGUE ON THE INDUSTRY.
In the words of Shao Kahn: WHAAAAT?!? (It's a from a "This is how you don't play" of Doom videos series from DSP, can't remember who made them)

Why am I not surprised a faggot would ruin the show lol. Also, lol, good job "Brandy", trying to insert your own life story into paper. Maybe you are a huge ass like Blitz, and the other guy dumped you for good.
 
According to fan of the show on r/HelluvaBoss, Brandon Rogers... is "largely responsible" for Stolas' shift in character... because Rogers ships Stolas/Blitz and wanted them to have a happy ending as a couple.
I remember that Brandon once said that Stolas reminded him of his (now ex) boyfriend once. Meaning that Helluva Boss is most likely just his self inset wish fulfillment fantasy.
SO BRANDON WAS PLANNING TO BETRAY US ALL ALONG. OF FUCKING COURSE. WHY WOULD I ASSUME THAT VIV WOULD HIRE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FELLOW FUJO FANATICS? GOD-FUCKING-DAMN IT THIS WOMAN IS A PLAGUE ON THE INDUSTRY.
 
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Once again, Shipping is the root cause the quality dipping. It really does feel like anything centered around shipping x character with y character and having it be centered around that rather than the original premise tends to equal a big ass decline in writing.

Stolas was much less insufferable as a side-character/villain, it’s because of the shift in his character that the show forgot it’s original premise. Now it’s all about Stolas and Blitzo’s fag romance instead of the “imps doing funny assassin business” as it was originally pitched as in the pilot,

Just one of those things I’ve noticed over time with a lot of media, shipping, shipping wars and fujoshi really do ruin everything they touch.
 
Yeah I think this guy probably has a good idea of why Vivzie's not that great at writing drama and romance, especially long term. She wants to create emotional hype moments first and then work around it to get to those points. It especially is more egregious in the long term dramas she sets up since there were moments that the drama was good in both shows either because it was small and isolated or is flashback stuff.

Of course its not all perfect but there are definitely things you can tell where Vivzie is more focused on the big emotional hype than creating logical drama, and ironically the worst instances of both appear in the courtroom episodes (though it is hard to say with Helluva since a lot of Season 2 episodes definitely have that feel)

Imagine being this angry that people dislike a cartoon show you like, just ignore them, no need to broadcast you are.

Also the guy looks like he has a disability

Once again, Shipping is the root cause the quality dipping. It really does feel like anything centered around shipping x character with y character and having it be centered around that rather than the original premise tends to equal a big ass decline in writing.

Stolas was much less insufferable as a side-character/villain, it’s because of the shift in his character that the show forgot it’s original premise. Now it’s all about Stolas and Blitzo’s fag romance instead of the “imps doing funny assassin business” as it was originally pitched as in the pilot,

Just one of those things I’ve noticed over time with a lot of media, shipping, shipping wars and fujoshi really do ruin everything they touch.
Yeah and you can see Stolas actually kind of function as a character when it doesn't involve his romance, Season 2 actually had good examples of it like when he was reading Asmodeus' contract, and that cutaway gag with him at a satanist party. The character can work as a villain or a comedic straight man, he's utterly insufferable as a romantic lead which makes so much of how the show is pretty bad.
 
How would the episodes go if they didn’t have the gay shipping take up most of the episodes
Id say we'd prob get more character stuff mixed with the assassination shenanigens, when it came to the court scene. I can see it Stolas pulling strings to prove that Andre was full of shit, but also saying how Blitz now is in his debt and owes him twice more than usual.
 
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At first I called her Kiki, but Lol-a made me smile so I wrote that down. None of this is concrete though, this is spergging on my part.

Lola is an angel who is based off the Cherubem rank. She is a kiwi bird with a church bell for a necklace, and ribbon wrappings that double as weapons to choke out and kill foes. She hates everything that gose against God's Will. She has five fingers, but one feather on each hand thst looks like a 6th. That's a hidden blade on each palm. You guys can have her and change whatever you wish. This is just a concept. I apologize if she is too much of furry bait, but it was inevitable sadly. I simultaneously hate you all for giving me ideas.
 
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At first I called her Kiki, but Lol-a made me smile so I wrote that down. None of this is concrete though, this is spergging on my part.

Lola is an angel who is based off the Cherubem rank. She is a kiwi bird with a church bell for a necklace, and ribbon wrappins that doubke as weapons to choke out and kill foes. She hates everything that gose against God's Will. You guys can have her and change whatever you wish. This is just a concept. I apologize if she is too much of furry bait, but it was inevitable sadly. I simultaneously hate you all for giving me ideas.
Charlie: "oh, she seems nice!"
Lol-a: *the most bigoted tirade ever against demons, minorities, transexuals, and every other kind of degenerate that ended up in Hell*
Charlie: "... oh."
Adam: "Yeah, she's cool like that!"
 
Charlie: "oh, she seems nice!"
Lol-a: *the most bigoted tirade ever against demons, minorities, transexuals, and every other kind of degenerate that ended up in Hell*
Charlie: "... oh."
Adam: "Yeah, she's cool like that!"
I wouldn't say minorities, but she dose hate sand niggers the most. If you're a darkie and you believe in the One True God, I think she'll give you a pass but eh, like I said, you guys mold her as you see fit. :)
 
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