Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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People trying to frame Octavia as being "unhealthy" for wanting to spend time with her dad are unbelievably retarded. He almost never sees his daughter and didn't even mention her in his gay little song. His own flesh and blood is basically an afterthought to him, and yet he's in the right?
 
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Vivzie's interpretation of hell is the blandest, gayest, softcore piece of shit I've ever had the misfortune to endure. She's scared to make horrible characters suffer real consequences because she doesn't want to kill her darlings. She's too busy choking down rainbow mafia cock to enjoy her gay melodrama.

Yep. Even in fanfictions, you have to really look around to find any fics that make Hell actually be a Hell and not their Tumblrified version of it. This is what happens when you try to give something like Hell to a bunch of people who are the epitome of safe edgy. They ruin it and jot down a list of things that are acceptable and things that are no-no to coddle the audience who can't tell fiction from reality.
 
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As FK009 pointed out, this has already been happening, it’s just going to get even worse. Stans love to call her selfish.

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>She can't reasonably expect him to live his entire life for her only

MOTHERFUCKER SHE ONLY EXPECTED HIM TO LIVE ONE DAY WITH HER AND STOLAS COULDN'T EVEN DO THAT! HE HAD TO BRING HIS SEX SLAVE!

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As far as Octavia is concerned nothing changes because Stolas already spent all his time wanting to be with Blitzo instead of with her anyway. The trial was simply Stolas finally admitting it.
 
Had VivziePop ever engaged in a conversation with a male of an appropriate testosterone level? Does she have a concept of how men talk or act? Every single male character in her shows acts like a smirky passive aggressive tumbler faggot. Except for maybe Moxy, but he kinda feels like a soft cuck too and wore skirts.

Men don't talk like that. Hell, people in general don't. It's how middle school edgelords wish they talked to people irl. Which explains the shows' demographic.
Oh she definitely has. That's why all the antagonists are buff, sexist, manly men. She only feels safe writing effeminate losers, same shit with Rebecca Sugar.
 
Oh she definitely has. That's why all the antagonists are buff, sexist, manly men. She only feels safe writing effeminate losers, same shit with Rebecca Sugar.
To be fair, there's some villains that fall into both categories – like Valentino being such an effeminate lisping homo spaniard that he makes Nick Fuentes look like the straightest man alive.

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The thing is, the fighting had to have started after Stolas had the affair. Do you think Stella would have pretended for 17 years that she actually cared for Stolas? The Stella that pretty much reacts to the extreme, before she even thinks through all the consequences? This Stella wears her emotions on her sleeve...and is an idiot.

This is why when people are saying "Oh that evil smile Stella has, is because she's so cunning and manipulating Octavia to be on her side". Bitch, this woman literally screamed that she wanted her husband killed at the dinner table right in front of her husband and daughter. The only reason why they didn't hear her was because Octavia has her headphones in, and Stolas was too engrossed in his imp erotica (seriously dude, could you not have waited until you got into the bathtub? You had to read that shit during the family dinner?)

Stella would have probably been throwing a party for her husband's downfall, but instead she actively goes looking for her daughter and offers her comfort. Not for some grand scheme has, but because she understands that this is Octavia's father, and of course she would be upset by this whole thing. She can absolutely despise Stolas, while still being caring towards her daughter. She can do both.
Tbf, Stella did throw Galas dedicated to shitting on Stolas. What was that one party named? "Not Divorced: Anniversary Party! Couples only!" along with her knowingly badmouthing him to her friends within earshot. She didn't exactly pretend to care about Stolas unless relationships among Hell's nobility are genuinely that awful on average and not being divorced yet is really that much a cause for celebration. Not to mention, despite being unhappy about her marriage, she never engaged in an affair, even with her peers.

EDIT: As an aside, I really want to read a fanfic of Mastermind, but the crime I.M.P. is accused of by Andrealphus and *audience gasps* Octavia is the murder of Stella. An AU of The Alternate Deal or whatever it was called with plenty of details changed and conflicts for non-main characters.

Like, imagine for a moment if Vortex was one of the investigators. As a Hellhound, he will recognize the smells at the murder scene right away, Beel will likely plead with him not to reveal the truth because Blitzo and Loona are their buddies.

Crimson isn't going to be called on a witness at all, he'll be too busy throwing a party over a Goetia being dead.

Who knows how Asmodeus will react like. He's opposed to rape, so odds are he takes a dim view too on murdering someone for being in the way of a relationship.

Or take the climax of the original Mastermind and warp it. Make it so Stolas rushes to the trial, puts on his show as The Mastermind (tm), only to trail off when he sees his daughter as one of the prosecuters, realizing he just ruined her image of him. Obviously, it's going to end with the execution of Blitzo and Stolas, but the fallout from this shitshow is going to need a second chapter.
 
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Phew! Finally watched the last episode.

Vivz, you dirty son of a bitch, you've hit the bondage fetishists right in their hearts with this one.

Satan’s design actually does look pretty awesome. I might just be biased since I love dragons, but at least he actually looks like something that could represent Wrath.
Bud, I love dragons as much as the next guy, but I swear I could hear distant sounds of dozens of pens scribbling something nasty as soon as I saw his design.
Oh fuck off with the musicals Viv, this isn't goddamn MTV.
Yeah, take that Disney shit to the Hazbin Hotel department; wasn't it even the original point of Helluva Boss not being Hazbin Hotel?!
Of course Stella is evil for sake of being evil, because fuck you.
The show had a moment to show Stella not being a soulless, vengeful grump. All they had to do is to not make her pull an evil grin while looking at Octavia. That way it would cause an impression of her despise of Stolas being strictly between them two and not spreading towards her daughter. Instead she still looks like a remorseless, controlling tyrant who cares only about getting what she wants.
I'm half way through THIS SHIT IS FUCKING RETARDED
I felt like taking a breather when Stolas said he's gonna sing. I'm also getting tired of every single character that does something in the show throwing over-dramatic tantrums. It's as if they all have absolute shit anger management: Andrealphus aggregates all the gay particles radiating from him, Beelzebub and Satan appeal to macro fetishists, and Vassago gets possessed by the spirit of neurotic Speedy Gonzales. The Stolas singing bit was unbearably schmaltzy and didn't prove his point. His voice actor is a shit singer and it has nothing to do with his vocal range. Though seeing Satan shutting his ass down felt pleasant, I would've expected this bit to devolve into sins arguing who's the real mastermind, especially with Levi's two heads having a dispute which one of them is more mastermindful - that's could have been genuinely fun to watch, but maybe with a different production crew.
Watching Stolas suffer is worth it, even if he does get a slap on the wrist later, the small bit of amusement of getting shit thrown at him is still funny, and everyone hate him too is a better thing
Blitz could have legit been like "yeah, I think you should be fucking broiled, you birdfaggot nigger" for all the shit he has pulled in S2. Stolas would get pissed and plead guilty and try to convince Blitz to confide in him being more responsible and caring for his loved ones and Blitz will snub him in response by saying something like "this isn't about me or your daughter - it is about you not being a massive faggot". Stolas would not only get fucked by loosing his powers to another birdfaggot, but also learn that being a massive faggot to please fujoshi twats online isn't cool. He'll eventually ask Blitz to give him a chance to redeam himself and help him kick gay peacock's ass in the next episode somehow. Hopefully everyone's favorite character Vassago will be there to help them out.
 
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I just know that this episode has apparently been in production for three years. And during that time, Viv did not think to make any edits to the writing, including removing all of Andre’s lines about thinking his sister is fuckable.
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Not sure what took them so long. Sure, Stolas's circular tracking shot was neat and smooth, post-production felt well polished, gay peacock's ice trails were cool, animation felt less inconsistent, aspie brain who draws character emotions made progress at better understanding facial expressions and YO WHAT THE FUCK VIV WHY ARE YOU STILL POSTING ON XITTER?!?!!
 
Yeah, take that Disney shit to the Hazbin Hotel department; wasn't it even the original point of Helluva Boss not being Hazbin Hotel?!
Pretty much, said how Hazbin gonna be heavy on musicals and Boss wont be. Well, that shit went out the window.
The show had a moment to show Stella not being a soulless, vengeful grump. All they had to do is to not make her pull an evil grin while looking at Octavia. That way it would cause an impression of her despise of Stolas being strictly between them two and not spreading towards her daughter. Instead she still looks like a remorseless, controlling tyrant who cares only about getting what she wants
Because Viv cannot write a female character to save her life.
Stella? Evil for the sake of being evil.
Octavia? Might as well be a crash test dummy.
Loona and Millie? I've seen fancomic/fics give 'em more personality and arcs.
Charlie? Went from a cool boss girl in the pilot to a naive Disney Princess to whom ya can sell the Golden Gate bridge.
Vaggie? What personality?
Lute? One note zealot.
Emily and Sera? Not!Luna and Not!Celestia.
Its frankly astounding how a chick cannot write good female characters.
 
Viv cannot write a female character to save her life.
Stella? Evil for the sake of being evil.
As much as I wish Stella was a deeper written character with a dedicated backstory episode, realistically speaking, I wouldn't really care at this point if Stella is evil for the sake of being evil. She can act like a cartoonish villain who laughs like a psychopathic maniac while throwing a kitchen knife at a picture of Stolas hanging on the wall, yet still be stupidly fun to be witnessed on screen. Except she isn't - instead she acts like some grumpy grandma who thinks she's got material control over everyone in the household.
Its frankly astounding how a chick cannot write good female characters.
I still think the whole credits bit in the opening to that Mammon episode was the most embarrassing thing she has ever done. The whole point of the episode having the opening credits was for that one joke and it wasn't even well executed in a elusively subtle way.
 
Now that all the sins designs are out, I do want to talk about them because I do have thoughts.

I'd say the only thing Viv was successful that's consistent with them all is they do fit the idea of a circus, with the Ring Master, Magician, Animal Tamer, Clown, Strongman, Conjoined Twin, and Fortune Teller.

But as sins themselves.

I think the sins designs work best with simplicity.

Mammon is a greedy piece of shit and his body shape resembles a bag of money and there are obvious money aesthetics on him, along with fitting the idea of the rich capitalist. So it works in being simple. Belphegor and Satan also follow a similar simple design idea that does work in their favor that really gets across that they represent sloth and wrath without complicating things.

Leviathan is just okay, like I think Viv is going for having two heads on one body being jealous of each other, and it is a simplistic way of doing Leviathan. So it maybe works.

Lucifer I think actually fits an idea of a fallen angel as he does have very bright white colors and pretty boy features which do fit Lucifer. Also the detail of him being a manlet works given that manlets have a lot of pride for their short size which fits how his ego is much bigger than him. So it functions well.

In contrast the over designed characters really don't function well as designs.

Asmodeus is an example of it as he has the animal aspects one would expect (the three heads, two being a bull and ram) but also is a rooster, moth, and also has goat legs. Theres way too much going on that needs to be simplified.

Beelzebub is honestly the worst design of the sins since none of it really tells much of a gluttony demon. I think if she was more bee-like instead of her dog aesthetics it could work. But it feels her design was made with Kesha voicing her in mind first than as a standalone character because Beelzebub does resemble the anthro canine in Vivzie's animated Kesha music video more than anything else. So the design feels more like a furry OC than an actual design to represent the sin of gluttony.
 
Beelzebub is honestly the worst design of the sins since none of it really tells much of a gluttony demon. I think if she was more bee-like instead of her dog aesthetics it could work. But it feels her design was made with Kesha voicing her in mind first than as a standalone character because Beelzebub does resemble the anthro canine in Vivzie's animated Kesha music video more than anything else. So the design feels more like a furry OC than an actual design to represent the sin of gluttony.
Aside from looking more bee-like, I think what would have helped showing her always having snacks on hand, but clearly never being full. Hell, could have actually shown that laval lamp stomach Viv mentioned, that would have been to show that despite Bees look, she does show why shes considered Gluttony.
 
You know those S-F tier lists that are frequent online? Who else would be at the bottom tier with Stolas and Sera?
 
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Tbf, Stella did throw Galas dedicated to shitting on Stolas. What was that one party named? "Not Divorced: Anniversary Party! Couples only!" along with her knowingly badmouthing him to her friends within earshot. She didn't exactly pretend to care about Stolas unless relationships among Hell's nobility are genuinely that awful on average and not being divorced yet is really that much a cause for celebration. Not to mention, despite being unhappy about her marriage, she never engaged in an affair, even with her peers.
We only know about the one, and that was the day before the affair that night. It's hard to say what their marriage was like before that since we never get to see it. The show and fandom would have you believe that she's been beating the shit out of Stolas and telling him to kill himself lmao. They want you to believe she's this dumb immature brat throwing temper tantrums yet also this scheming manipulative villain. You can't have both, especially if you're not going to show the brat side being a facade.
I'd say the only thing Viv was successful that's consistent with them all is they do fit the idea of a circus, with the Ring Master, Magician, Animal Tamer, Clown, Strongman, Conjoined Twin, and Fortune Teller.
If you're referring to Asmodeus as the Magician, he's actually supposed to be the Fire Spinner.
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At least Beezlebub finally resembles a Beast Tamer instead of a hippie party girl. Maybe Viv finally listened to some critique.
 
Because Viv cannot write a female character to save her life.
Stella? Evil for the sake of being evil.
Octavia? Might as well be a crash test dummy.
Loona and Millie? I've seen fancomic/fics give 'em more personality and arcs.
Charlie? Went from a cool boss girl in the pilot to a naive Disney Princess to whom ya can sell the Golden Gate bridge.
Vaggie? What personality?
Lute? One note zealot.
Emily and Sera? Not!Luna and Not!Celestia.
Its frankly astounding how a chick cannot write good female characters.

I like how Niffty is so completely irrelevant that you (i assume) forgot she exists despite being a "main character".

People would defend this by saying the cast is overcrowded and there was no time, but i get this slight feeling that if Niffty was a male butler, she would have a very different design (you know what kind of design) and get ship tease with other male characters.

Just a feeling tho.

You know those S-F tier lists that are frequent online? Who else would be at the bottom tier with Stolas and Sera?

My tier list i made in 4 minutes and no deep thoughts, imo no one is that bad but Striker gets really close, only avoiding it by not being as plot relevant therefore not as plot destructive. (click to enhance)

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Edit: I forgot adam, he gets on tier 2
 
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