Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

Just saw this on Xitter. I don’t think it’s the own they think it is.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Just saw this on Xitter. I don’t think it’s the own they think it is.
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Convenient they are leaving out a few prominent TDI female characters who are either pretty fat, have more muscle to them, or just curvy in general.

Compared to Vox, Lucifer, and Alastor having the exact same body types

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

Convenient they are leaving out a few prominent TDI female characters who are either pretty fat, have more muscle to them, or just curvy in general.

Compared to Vox, Lucifer, and Alastor having the exact same body types

I regret not saving one picture I saw showing various female Hazbin/Helluva characters with all details removed other than their body outlines. Literally the only ones I could identify were Beezlebub and Carmilla, the latter because of her big fookin’ hands.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I regret not saving one picture I saw showing various female Hazbin/Helluva characters with all details removed other than their body outlines. Literally the only ones I could identify were Beezlebub and Carmilla, the latter because of her big fookin’ hands.

I think this is probably the only female Hazbin/Helluva character that has a very distinct body type that isn't meant to be a one off

 

[Retink Retunk]

Just saw this on Xitter. I don’t think it’s the own they think it is.
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It's weird how women have a certain phenotype and men have one as well. It's almost like there's some conspiracy by from nature or something.

The one thing Viv does well is outfit and character design, even if some share some traits, and that's probably because it's a cost saving measure. If Viv applied her designs and fluid animations to a competent writer, she'd actually make a really good show.

 

[Colon capital V]

Just saw this on Xitter. I don’t think it’s the own they think it is.
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>yes let me deflect criticisms of the show that I like by bringing up this totally unrelated show that has similar body types because all cartoon fags like Total Drama(?)
>Heh... that'll show 'em!

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

Here's my take RE: Seven Deadly Cows:
Pride – CWC. Just like Lucifer could be considered the First Sinner, Chris is basically the proto-lolcow, the one that started it all. Also, as others have mentioned, it takes a pretty fucking big ego to consider yourself a goddess.
Wrath – Ethan Ralph, obviously, there's a reason he's called the "Ragepig". Plus it hails back to his glory days during the era of Internet Bloodsports.
Gluttony – Amberlynn Reid, as she is the most "famous" among the Deathfat category. (I was thinking of going with Nikocado, but he's had his "Two Steps Ahead" moment so he doesn't count as a Deathfat anymore.)
Greed – Bossman, no question. While this may seem like a "basic bitch" answer at first, there's a good justification for it: in the Inferno section of Dante's Divine Comedy, the circle of Greed punishes not only the people who hoard wealth, but those who waste it frivolously. And not a single lolcow on this site wastes more money than Austin.
Envy – Patrick Tomlinson. While one could comfortably slot him into any of the other categories, I believe the sin of envy is actually a very big factor in the FFWBT's online behavior – he is obviously intensely jealous of more successful authors, such as Leslie Varney or Brian Keene, and it's why he continues to pick fights with them.
Lust – Nick Fuentes, given his obsession with catboys, plus the whole "Your Body, My Choice" thing. Plus, there's the fact he fraternizes with pedophiles... (Note: I originally wanted to put Giggly Goonclown here, because he is basically the final boss of disgusting coomers, but decided against it.)
Sloth – The other Nick, you know who. Again, one could make the argument that he could fit in any category, but I find Sloth to be the perfect fit for him, and here's why: Rackets just doesn't want to put in effort into anything. He's spent so long projecting an image of himself as a Christian family man, a hard-working lawyer, but it's obvious he hates every moment of it; he just wants to spend every waking moment being his true degenerate self, doing coke and shots of whiskey, attending swinger parties, et cetera. Why do you think he skips out on so many streams? Why do you think he's lost so many fucking cases? (Alternatively, I was thinking of Boogie2988, much for the same reasons outlined.)

 

[Gondolindrim]

In trying to play up the mystery behind Alastor, Viv ironically gave up the game. In the pilot Alastor was just some sketchy funny guy who was seemingly only there for the fun of it. Nietzsche wrote that there's an artistic beauty in mystery. Alastor in the pilot was simple, vague, and subtle.

Alastor in the series might as well be wearing a sign saying I AM POWERFUL AND MYSTERIOUS. There are so many scenes dedicated to "hinting" (read: shouting in your face) that there is more to Alastor then meets the eyes. Characters blurt out so many expository lines that we basically know everything we need to know about him

He's a powerful top tier sinner

He runs a radio show which is why he sounds and looks like that

He likes killing people

TV guy hates him

He is more powerful than he should be

Said powers likely derive from his patron (probably Charlie's mom)

He was gone for exactly 7 years and now he's back to help Charlie (also probably because of Charlie's mom)

Despite being hyped up as one of the top guys in all of hell, he only beats up jobbers and gets his clock cleaned by the main antagonist (someone who thought he could take, which makes it all the more embarrassing)

The fact that Charlie could easily rip his head off anytime she wants is the reason that I struggle to buy him as a character. I think the only way to do Alastor would be to have Charlie and Vaggie know he's up to no good and refuse to play along with his "Haha aren't I mysterious and threatening" shtick. Getting bitched out by Adam was good writing though, so I'll give Viv that. It'd be ridiculous if he was stronger than the head executioner.

 

[LucasSomething]

It's really unfortunate how Alastor is argueably the third strongest character in hazbin (going by onscreen feats) after Adam and Lucifer (Charlie is still "potential woman") and losing to Adam is completely logical considering the hierarchy and powergap between overlord to lucifer/adam, but since vivzie made his entire personality around how fucking BADASS and POWERFUL Alastor is, losing to the first real threat that appears solidly marked him as the biggest fraud in modern media history.

Even non hazbin fans in powerscaling circles are aware of his fraudness.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

Even non hazbin fans in powerscaling circles are aware of his fraudness.

You know how people pit random characters against Homelander to see who could beat the shit out of him? I now want to see the same thing with Alastor, assuming it’s not already happening.

 

[The tired cat]

It's really unfortunate how Alastor is argueably the third strongest character in hazbin (going by onscreen feats) after Adam and Lucifer (Charlie is still "potential woman") and losing to Adam is completely logical considering the hierarchy and powergap between overlord to lucifer/adam, but since vivzie made his entire personality around how fucking BADASS and POWERFUL Alastor is, losing to the first real threat that appears solidly marked him as the biggest fraud in modern media history.

Even non hazbin fans in powerscaling circles are aware of his fraudness.

I mean, technically this is his 2nd loss, since he apparently got his ass punted by Vox and that forced him to hide away for 7 years.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

I mean, technically this is his 2nd loss, since he apparently got his ass punted by Vox and that forced him to hide away for 7 years.

I still don't get why they dangle Alastor losing to Vox over Vox's head like it's some great shame that he almost lost to Alastor. Like the entirety of Stayed Gone, what's the point of that, Alastor is acting smug that he got his ass kicked so hard he spent 7 years crying quietly in his pillow over it. As far as I'm concerned, there is no "almost lost", Vox WON.

I still don't get why people are rooting for Alastor anyway, he's obviously some sort of antagonist actively working against the hotel even if he'll probably have some gay change of heart because this is media and people always do that. I said this like a year ago and people thought I was crazy, but the Vees are the good guys in this scenario.

Things the Vees have done:
Found a redeemable sinner and sent him to the hotel
Have beef with Alastor specifically (they clearly don't care about hurting the hotel or fucking with Charlie as long as she stays out of their business)
Suggest fighting back against the angels (Seriously, why does the story treat that selfie bitch demon like she was crazy and evil for even suggesting the overlords fight back when Charlie does the same thing and is treated as a hero for it?)

Like genuinely if Charlie had known about that meeting she could've gone to the vees like "hey I hear you guys want to fight back against the angels can I get your help" and they'd be like "sure but on one condition" then they'd hogtie Alastor and send him over to the vees so we'd never have to think about him and his dumb gimmick ever again.


A man can dream, anyway.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

You know how people pit random characters against Homelander to see who could beat the shit out of him? I now want to see the same thing with Alastor, assuming it’s not already happening.

I feel like no one can top Homelander in being clowned by the powerscaling community.

Season 2 could probably add to Alastor's fraud agenda, since currently anyone with holy weapons can kick his ass

 

[LucasSomething]

I mean, technically this is his 2nd loss, since he apparently got his ass punted by Vox and that forced him to hide away for 7 years.

Alastor still acts way too arrogant around Vox so i don't know if it's that simple. I can see Alastor insisting it was all "master plan" and he faked a loss to stay hidden and play spy for lilith for 7 years, or that he was weaker back then and he's stronger now (which doesnt make sense but whatever).

Of course, i can be wrong and Alastor is simply THAT arrogant and dumb he can't register his defeat.

Interestingly. i even checked the wikia and saw this hidden vivzie stream from 5 years ago saying "Alastor doesn't feel fear but he's wary and has a sense of knowing when people can fuck him up so he's not gonna poke the bear."

I wonder if this changed later because the show Alastor does not act like someone with any sense of self preservation. You can argue he's arrogant sure but thrash talking lucifer and being fully confident he could take down Adam makes Alastor look retarded.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

It's really unfortunate how Alastor is argueably the third strongest character in hazbin (going by onscreen feats) after Adam and Lucifer (Charlie is still "potential woman") and losing to Adam is completely logical considering the hierarchy and powergap between overlord to lucifer/adam, but since vivzie made his entire personality around how fucking BADASS and POWERFUL Alastor is, losing to the first real threat that appears solidly marked him as the biggest fraud in modern media history.

Even non hazbin fans in powerscaling circles are aware of his fraudness.

I wonder how powerful he is considering the powerscales of the characters of Helluva Bullshit? More powerful than Stolas and the other Arse Goetia in general?

Alastor still acts way too arrogant around Vox so i don't know if it's that simple. I can see Alastor insisting it was all "master plan" and he faked a loss to stay hidden and play spy for lilith for 7 years, or that he was weaker back then and he's stronger now (which doesnt make sense but whatever).

Of course, i can be wrong and Alastor is simply THAT arrogant and dumb he can't register his defeat.

Interestingly. i even checked the wikia and saw this hidden vivzie stream from 5 years ago saying "Alastor doesn't feel fear but he's wary and has a sense of knowing when people can fuck him up so he's not gonna poke the bear."

I wonder if this changed later because the show Alastor does not act like someone with any sense of self preservation. You can argue he's arrogant sure but thrash talking lucifer and being fully confident he could take down Adam makes Alastor look retarded.

Makes me remember the "A character can be as smart or witty as the authors are capable".

 

[LucasSomething]

You know how people pit random characters against Homelander to see who could beat the shit out of him? I now want to see the same thing with Alastor, assuming it’s not already happening.

I googled a bit and there was actually a mini tiktok trend about this lol

I wonder how powerful he is considering the powerscales of the characters of Helluva Bullshit? More powerful than Stolas and the other Arse Goetia in general?

Makes me remember the "A character can be as smart or witty as the authors are capable".

Alastor was protecting the whole hotel by himself until Adam showed up but Stolas (on theory) has more abilities due to the grimore spells.

Either way Stolas literally almost died because one random imp lassoed him with an MCU tier plot device angel rope. Would alastor lose to angel rope? Depends on how smart you write him i guess.

Angel weapons completely broke the hazbinverse powerscale because you can legit write anybody killing anybody. No one is that impressive when you know they would die to one shiny knife stab wound.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

I googled a bit and there was actually a mini tiktok trend about this lol

Fraudlastor fans on suicide watch. And hopefully Appleradio fans in specific. Can't stand these retarded shippers period.

Alastor was protecting the whole hotel by himself until Adam showed up but Stolas (on theory) has more abilities due to the grimore spells.

Either way Stolas literally almost died because one random imp lassoed him with an MCU tier plot device angel rope. Would alastor lose to angel rope? Depends on how smart you write him i guess.

Angel weapons completely broke the hazbinverse powerscale because you can legit write anybody killing anybody. No one is that impressive when you know they would die to one shiny knife stab wound.

Right. Makes me wonder if "hell's weaponry", I.E bullets, ballistics, firearms have any chance against Heaven's medieval like armour and swords, or if Heaven has guns too. If Heaven develops firearms, it's game over for Hell.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Bossman, no question. While this may seem like a "basic bitch" answer at first, there's a good justification for it: in the Inferno section of Dante's Divine Comedy, the circle of Greed punishes not only the people who hoard wealth, but those who waste it frivolously. And not a single lolcow on this site wastes more money than Austin

I'd say it's tied with DSP dude fucks up his taxes and lost souls much money on WWE mobile game. Lawyers and the IRS interview him and he STILL gets out of debt. He must have some demon luck or something otherworldly about him to get away with that.

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

Right. Makes me wonder if "hell's weaponry", I.E bullets, ballistics, firearms have any chance against Heaven's medieval like armour and swords, or if Heaven has guns too. If Heaven develops firearms, it's game over for Hell.

Heaven does seem to be just as technologically advanced as Hell – for instance, Adam's mask is clearly digital in nature, given how it flickers out when Lucifraud shatters it – and the same probably applies to the other Exorcists as well. They just seem to be restricted to using melee weaponry because.... story demands it, I guess? Maybe Sera deliberately set them up to eventually fail like the bitch she is.

I wonder how powerful he is considering the powerscales of the characters of Helluva Bullshit? More powerful than Stolas and the other Arse Goetia in general

Lorewise, the Goetia are supposed to be on a level of magnitude above even the strongest Overlords. I don't have the graph on hand, but the powerscaling goes like this:
Heaven top-tiers (we've yet to see them)
↓
Lucifer & Lilith
↓
Adam & his Exorcists
↓
Charlie (if she actually knew how to apply her power)
↓
The other six Deadly Sins (Satan, Asmodeus, Mammon, Belphegor, Beelzebub, Leviathan)
↓
Ars Goetia
↓
Overlords
↓
Sinners
↓
Common Hellborn (imps, succubi, hellhounds, etc.)

Going back to the Alastor vs Stolas question, however; in practice, they're both shown to not really be that much stronger than the other. Actually, the deer wins out because he at least scores some Exorcist kills, and stalls Adam for a little while before the First Chad gets serious. Meanwhile, Stolas only really puts up a good showing against the DHORKS, who are just basic-ass humans with axes and katanas and shit – and jobs to Striker just a few episodes later, and never really recovers from there (besides like... punching Andrealphus in the face).
So really, it's a matter of mindsets if they clash, and in a fight between a prissy melodramatic faggot who's too much of a pussy to fight back against his wife VS an arrogant autist who has a perfectly functioning sense of killing intent, it's obvious who wins. (Though it's still dependent on whether Alastor has access to Angelic Steel or not.)

P.S. Fuck you for making me seriously think about this.

 

[Tinnitus]

Heaven does seem to be just as technologically advanced as Hell – for instance, Adam's mask is clearly digital in nature, given how it flickers out when Lucifraud shatters it – and the same probably applies to the other Exorcists as well. They just seem to be restricted to using melee weaponry because.... story demands it, I guess? Maybe Sera deliberately set them up to eventually fail like the bitch she is.

Moist likely they restrict themselves because firearms are a human invention with a history of atrocities behind them and thus seen as "sinner weaponry, angels using those are just a step above the sinners"

Or Chadam sees guns as for the weak & mentally fragile because you miss out on the intimate connection you would have from seeing a sinner's life go out after spearing them.

There are many ways to spin their restriction to melee only but Vivzie clearly isn't thinking that far.