Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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I know we JUST had this conversation in this thread, but apparently it’s gone and reached Xitter.
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Man, right now there’s two wolves fighting inside of me. One wants to generally agree with what most of these people are saying since the haters can be idiots, the other doesn’t want to stand by Vivzie and her dogshit rapist character who she gets autistically defensive over.
It's fine to stand by them because Vivzie's haters aren't even hating for the right reasons, but the dumbest shit imaginable. Like you have a lot of material but they choose to say stupid shit or act super sensitive because "RAPIST BAD" yet murder is fine
 
yet murder is fine
There are many different types of "murder". If you're being paid to kill people in a war, you're just a civil servant. If you kill a pedophile, you're expediting the course of justice. If you're a gang member or drug dealer killing a rival gang member or drug dealer, you're moving up in your career - and taking another criminal off the streets. (Proper blue-collar crime is a job and there's only one way to get to the true absolute top. John Pearson wrote "The Art of the Deal" for this case back in the 60s). It's not always wrong to kill someone. It's not even in the top 5 worst crimes you can commit against another person.

Rape, however, is always retarded no matter the circumstances.

Even more however, this show is about demons in Hell and Viv can't have it both ways. Make your boy's pimp a gross kidnapping rapist if you want, but you can't then try to make him safe-edgy and potential porn comic material and STILL be on a major TV network, or for all ages, or on before 10PM.
 
I really don't care if Valentino has merch, he's a prominent character to Angel's conflict and as a villain in season 2 it makes sense why would they want to promote his presence. But it goes to show how Viv and her team lacks the sense to understand why would anyone feel compelled to "like" someone like Valentino, using the example of the Joker in his many iterations he's always functions as the perfect antithesis to Batman, the stone cold and serious man of law and order, as a trickster that spreads chaos most of times, for his own amusement. He's a bastard, he knows he's a bastard and that's why people love him; he's the bad guy and sometimes being the bad guy can be fun.

Valentino could function like this, if he was written as the perfect antithesis to the Hotel's idea: someone that has done horrible things to a lot of people, doesn't feel bad for it, keeps doing them, and doesn't want redemption. Worst of all, he also instills these ideas to the other sinners under his control, specially Angel Dust constantly reminding him of all the crimes he committed in his past life, how he's not better that him, why he thinks he deserves the opportunity of redemption over others and even weaponizing his friendship with Charlie teasing him for failing to meet her expectations, sneaking behind her back, lying to her, etc. This could throw Charlie for a loop, what would she do with those that don't want to be save? What she must do with those same that actively undermine her dream project? A perfect conflic with Val as one of the center pieces fulfilling a porpuse in the narrative. He becomes fun because he's a bastard and he knows it.

But Viv's fujo brain only understands appeal in terms of sex and since she also subcribes to the tumblr's motto of "you are what you consume" if she likes Valentino now he's must be a soft gay bullie that's not that bad, just a little missguided heavely downplaying his role as a villain. She essencialy ignores one of Moebiu's tips for aspiring artists:
“When you draw, you must first cleanse yourself of deep feelings, like hate, happiness, ambition, etc.”
She can't separate her own feelings from the story she's trying to tell, most the time indulging on her paraphernalias regarless if it makes sense to the overall world the characters inhabit.

TL;DR: The writting sucks, everythign else will suffer as a consequence of it.
 
The mosrt retarded thing that I've seen in that thread was one retard who basically used someone's interest in Mouthwashing as a gotcha. But the thing is people hate JumoJimmy its not projection if the fandom hates Jimmy.
 
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Viv: "This is the last thing I'll respond to."
*less then 30 minutes later*
Also Viv: "I'm talking to a brick wall here."

Why does Viv have this need to respond to every person that has something negative to say about her show? They're not going to change their mind, and she looks like a dumbass for continuing. It's lose-lose situation here.
I know we JUST had this conversation in this thread, but apparently it’s gone and reached Xitter.
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Man, right now there’s two wolves fighting inside of me. One wants to generally agree with what most of these people are saying since the haters can be idiots, the other doesn’t want to stand by Vivzie and her dogshit rapist character who she gets autistically defensive over.
I know we've already talk about this here, but I'll say it again: Joker is a multimedia icon that has a 3-dimensional personality. Valentino is part of only one form of media and is just a one-note villain. Also, Joker merch doesn't sexualize him, while Valentino merch does.

I think a discussion could be have on the human psyche of crimes and the tolerance of them in fiction, but a fucking Vivziepop show isn't the place to do it.
 
Viv: "This is the last thing I'll respond to."
*less then 30 minutes later*
Also Viv: "I'm talking to a brick wall here."

Why does Viv have this need to respond to every person that has something negative to say about her show? They're not going to change their mind, and she looks like a dumbass for continuing. It's lose-lose situation here.
You can make the simple assumption of Lolcow Behavior, because Lolcows don't like criticism or need to prove to teh haturrs that they are "receptive" or "understanding" but since this is Viv a beached whale like HopelessPeaches, who claims she's been SA'd and Abused she has to paint the narrative. Viv has openly and repeatedly used/weaponized her abuse/mistreatment to deflect any form of criticism because claiming you were raped is a way to have them back off because Tumblr, Twatter and BlueSky are internet hugboxes that speak of "BELIEEEEEVE all VICTUMS!" but also fall flat without realizing most explanations Viv has given were 50% Addressing and 50% excuses and crying victim.

Source: 2018 "Apology"
 
Hell based on what is known in leaks and what is seen in both her shows, she would never even bother redeeming an actual terrible person with how she would victimize anyone or justify it.
A show with any actual courage might even consider having a redemption arc for a sincerely repentant Hitler.

It would even be consistent with the Catholicism Vivz's Hispanic relatives apparently have that make it impossible for her to offend by taking the ideas she has to their actual conclusion.
Man, right now there’s two wolves fighting inside of me. One wants to generally agree with what most of these people are saying since the haters can be idiots, the other doesn’t want to stand by Vivzie and her dogshit rapist character who she gets autistically defensive over.
I'm getting tired of having wolves inside me. It's just not normal. Not joking. You should not have wolves inside you. That's just some weird shit.

But one wants to fuck Angel Dust and the other wants to fuck Stella.
 
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Her explanation for speaking out against a fan having a VA sign a screenshot of a critical video, but staying silent when a fan assaulted Michael at a con is "I shouldn't have to tell people that physically assaulting someone is wrong."
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I don't get what's so bad about Valentino. Sure, he's a rapist, but they're in hell, they're all bad people. Half the cast casually murders people around them for fun when they're not too busy gargling cum.
It's the law of character relatability – you don't usually see cannibal murderers like Alastor out on the street, but degenerate rapists like Valentino absolutely do exist, and statistically speaking, a good portion of the audience would have experience dealing with someone like that – which makes Val easier to hate.
Now this does fall apart when you take the sexy merch into account, but again, I think Vivienne is playing to her audience. Despite the moral outrage, there is an actual undercurrent of fans who fetishize Val.
(Just look at that troon with the rape kink that LARPs as Angel, and is on the show's actual production team)
 
I missed this but the way Vivzie tweeted "Criticism is a two way street" is so funny and really sells how spoiled she is. If your teacher say you did terrible you dont go "Well sure but you're MEAN so i won't listen".

Just like when your consumer shits on your products, you don't go on twitter rationalize on them being bad people.

In my humble opinion the problem isn't Val merch, it's "sexualizing the sex offender" merch.

Alastor is a canibal but there is no fetish poster of him eating organs (afaik?). Stella is racist against imps but there is no custom mug of her referring to imps as hellniggers. Crimson is homophobic but there is no shirt of him calling Moxie a faggot.

So why does vivzie merch has to remind us that Valentino is reaaaally fuckable?

What i mean is, we need merch of the racist and homophobic characters being racist and homophobic to balance it out.


>Asking a vocie actor to sign some creppy sign with a weird thumbnail and obvious agend and posting about it is fucking strange

HOW??? The sign is not weird since it was their own video. The thumbnail being creepy is a self report since it is YOUR art (of angel getting gangbanged). The """obvious agenda""" is unclear to me since they didn't elaborate at all beyond being happy the voice actor signed. The posting isn't strange because it's their twitter and they don't owe you anything.

How is vivzie still triggered over something that doesn't affect her at all. If she didn't jump in to attack them no one would've cared or known, but this controversy probably gave the guy more views (It's almost 1 million now).

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What i mean is, we need merch of the racist and homophobic characters being racist and homophobic to balance it out.
You can have t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m that has a stand-in for all your favorite slurs as a shirt
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Maybe it was because I wasn't paying attention at the time but I find incredible that she didn't catch flak for this one.
 
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Maybe it was because I wasn't paying attention at the time but I find incredible that she didn't catch flak for this one.
I only remember seeing her catch flak for it on tumblr, but that’s the most predictable shit ever let’s be honest.
 
Ya know, I'll give Gooseworks this, she was much smarter when people got on her ass over Jacks behavior in Ep2. She gave one response, stepped back and things just fizzled out. Viv on the other hand, my gawd this girl just keeps dynamating whatever good will she had left with her fans.
 
Ya know, I'll give Gooseworks this, she was much smarter when people got on her ass over Jacks behavior in Ep2. She gave one response, stepped back and things just fizzled out. Viv on the other hand, my gawd this girl just keeps dynamating whatever good will she had left with her fans.
Yeah Vivzie has too much of a blabbermouth and while her hatedom is retarded, she needs to honestly not even bother looking at critique if she can't handle it, or as everyone and their mom said, get a social media manager.
 
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