Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[InJailOutSoon]

It's been said on this thread before, but HB would be slightly more watchable if Andrealphus didn't exist and all of his qualities, motives and plans were given to Stella instead.

Viv did say that Stella would be getting her own backstory eventually, but it's probably going to be something like daddy issues, or how her parents didn't care that much for her and they focused all of their attention to her brother. Stella exists not because she's an actual character, but to make Stolas look like a much better person than he really is, and because she's a set up to make Andre be the actual big endgame villain of the show.

We don't even know how her relationship with her daughter really is. 2 seasons in and if i remember correctly she hasn't talked to Octavia directly on camera. The most we get is them hugging and then a grin from Stella, but it doesn't feel earned, we don't know if she feels any genuine emotions for Octavia or if she hates her existence for binding her to Stolas forever. Maybe if we had a scene with Stella telling Octavia how much her dead-beat father doesn't love her to show us how much of a vile being she is but no, we have to use our imagination to fill in the story gaps that maybe Stella interacts with her daughter and maybe they have some kind of emotional bond, but who the hell knows?

I think adding Andrealphus isn't really a problem in itself. He can work as being the next big major villain, especially if Stella was to be killed off or reformed. The main issue is that the writing itself doesn't do anything with Stella. She hates Stolas, always had hated Stolas, and will continue to hate Stolas. And that's it. She's not a character; just a prop to expand on Stolas. Though to be fair, that's not just solely a Stella issue. All the female characters in this show are mostly just props for the male characters' stories.

Viv said that Stella's backstory will be similar to Beatrice Horseman's story, but that's not going to work for someone like Stella. The screentime with Beatrice showed that there was more going on for her than just being "Bojack's abusive mother" so when we did get to her backstory episode, it expanded more on what we knew about her and why she is the way she is. Doing a backstory on Stella won't accomplish that; it's just going to feel like a different character to the one we got.

That didn't have to be the case either. In season 1, you had the start of something for Stella's character. She was bitter at Stolas for having an affair with an imp; hurt because she either actually loved him and/or it would ruin her status as an ars goetia. But nope. In the beginning of season 2, she point blank just says that she likes to torment Stolas. And that's it. No nuance.

You think that maybe when she brings up the ars goetia after Stolas says he's going to divorce her, that could bring along something. That her standing as an ars goetia could be jeopardized and that's why the two of them stayed together so long in this marriage. That it would be better for her to be a widow than a divorced wife. But the show doesn't do anything with that. It's not a big scandal as it was implied to be. Nobody cares, so why should I? There was no plan. Everything is written as it goes along.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Viv said that Stella's backstory will be similar to Beatrice Horseman's story, but that's not going to work for someone like Stella. The screentime with Beatrice showed that there was more going on for her than just being "Bojack's abusive mother" so when we did get to her backstory episode, it expanded more on what we knew about her and why she is the way she is. Doing a backstory on Stella won't accomplish that; it's just going to feel like a different character to the one we got.

It's really funny how Helluva Boss is supposed to be inspired by Bojack Horseman when it's so evident that Vivzie doesn't understand the point of it. Like at least Bojack is self aware that he's a horrible person and the show holds him accountable for his actions while Vivzie actively awards the worst of her protagonists (Blitzo and Stolas) by any means with no permanent consequences

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

The Exorcists never do find out that it was Carmilla who killed her, so in Adam's mind, I'd imagine he believed Charlie & co. to be responsible, which is why he beelined straight for the Hotel

I see. Thank you. Shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet, they keepin a playa down even in hell!

 

[Doctor of Autism]

 

[Sonya-chan]

Stella's backstory being ""similar to Beatrice Horseman's story" actually means "another character with daddy issues" in Vivz's language"

 

[Catboi]

Update from the Vegas con: Helluva is now also owned by Amazon and crossovers are coming thanks to the legal issues being sorted between the shows. Helluva will still be on youtube for free but will be streaming on Prime a month in advance alongside Hazbin.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

So Helluva Boss is following a similar path to TADC by coming onto Prime while still letting Viv have full control of the show and still being on Youtube. I guess we now know where the extra money will be coming from.

Two things I took of note from the video; first there will be crossover episodes. I'm not entirely sure who will come onto which one, and how well that will work out. But I'm sure the fans will be happy nonetheless. What they might not be so happy about is that they will have to wait a full month for a Helluva Boss episode to be released on YouTube once it releases on Prime. Bet there will be a lot more pirating when this happens.

 

[didelphigina]

So Helluva Boss is following a similar path to TADC by coming onto Prime while still letting Viv have full control of the show and still being on Youtube. I guess we now know where the extra money will be coming from.

Two things I took of note from the video; first there will be crossover episodes. I'm not entirely sure who will come onto which one, and how well that will work out. But I'm sure the fans will be happy nonetheless. What they might not be so happy about is that they will have to wait a full month for a Helluva Boss episode to be released on YouTube once it releases on Prime. Bet there will be a lot more pirating when this happens.

Just watched it myself. It'll be funny seeing them making more episodes on the evils of the rich people and higher ups taking advantage of the poor while getting their shows greenlit to a company being the very thing the show was critiquing about. Many such cases.

Piracy's gonna be at its highest soon.

 

[Tinnitus]

That didn't have to be the case either. In season 1, you had the start of something for Stella's character. She was bitter at Stolas for having an affair with an imp; hurt because she either actually loved him and/or it would ruin her status as an ars goetia. But nope. In the beginning of season 2, she point blank just says that she likes to torment Stolas. And that's it. No nuance

Any writer who can pretend to be Stella for a minute can condense her entire marriage into three or four words, i'm in control.

Stolas spent the entire marriage trying to make things comfortable for her and once he had an affair and continued to sleep with Blitzo she became much more reckless and tried to get him killed.

 

[FK009]

Update from the Vegas con: Helluva is now also owned by Amazon and crossovers are coming thanks to the legal issues being sorted between the shows. Helluva will still be on youtube for free but will be streaming on Prime a month in advance alongside Hazbin.

I am honestly wondering how this will go because Blitzo and I.M.P. by dint of existing proves Adam, Lute, and all of Heaven, right about Hell. I know what Viv is going for, I know what she wants, but I don’t think she’s really thought through the implications of what these two shows meeting means for her wider universe. You have imps going to Earth murdering people. They are not good. What is I.M.P. going to end when they crossover? Is Charlie going to reneg on “anyone can be better”? Like, if the Princess finds out that these fuckers are breaking a major law, Surely there has to be a trail of some sort, right?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I am honestly wondering how this will go because Blitzo and I.M.P. by dint of existing proves Adam, Lute, and all of Heaven, right about Hell. I know what Viv is going for, I know what she wants, but I don’t think she’s really thought through the implications of what these two shows meeting means for her wider universe. You have imps going to Earth murdering people. They are not good. What is I.M.P. going to end when they crossover? Is Charlie going to reneg on “anyone can be better”? Like, if the Princess finds out that these fuckers are breaking a major law, Surely there has to be a trail of some sort, right?

Don't worry apparently Hellborn are exempt from exterminations because the upper echelons of Heaven are threatened by Human Sinners rather than the Hellborn that they know are causing trouble on Earth.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

So would Charlie at least attempt to call out Blitz and co. for damning more people? Or is it still too meeeaaan to actually use her authority as the princess of Hell? Damn, I still miss pilot Charlie, when she wasn’t a complete wet blanket and willing to fight a bitch.

 

[Rakdos92]

Don't worry apparently Hellborn are exempt from exterminations because the upper echelons of Heaven are threatened by Human Sinners rather than the Hellborn that they know are causing trouble on Earth.

The logic is somewhat sound: a sinner grows in strength as he accumulates contracts. The more contracts a Sinner has, the more powerful and dangerous he becomes. If left unchecked, a Sinner could very well grow powerful enough to escape Hell and even menace Heaven.

Hellborn on the other hand can in theory be disposed of by freaking cherubs AND they lack the ability to make contracts.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

So would Charlie at least attempt to call out Blitz and co. for damning more people? Or is it still too meeeaaan to actually use her authority as the princess of Hell? Damn, I still miss pilot Charlie, when she wasn’t a complete wet blanket and willing to fight a bitch.

Nah IMP will just stop killing people because Blitzo projected himself on a random gay couple but I guess they'll only kill people who should've been in Hell anyway

Though let's be real, the first crossover episode is going to probably be all about Stolas somehow

 

[AnOminous]

She's not a character; just a prop to expand on Stolas.

The problem is she made Stolas such an irredeemably awful piece of shit (even for a demon lord in Hell) that Stella is sympathetic because you'd hate this fucker too.

Damn, I still miss pilot Charlie, when she wasn’t a complete wet blanket and willing to fight a bitch.

It would have been cool if we'd actually gotten to see her throw down on Katie Killjoy.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

The logic is somewhat sound: a sinner grows in strength as he accumulates contracts. The more contracts a Sinner has, the more powerful and dangerous he becomes. If left unchecked, a Sinner could very well grow powerful enough to escape Hell and even menace Heaven.

Hellborn on the other hand can in theory be disposed of by freaking cherubs AND they lack the ability to make contracts.

The logic is broken when overlords are never the primary targets in exterminations and Heaven is completely unaware of them at all despite the fact they have a crystal ball. Not to mention, they still are on open communication terms with Lucifer so they could just tell Lucifer to keep the overlords under control and Lucifer doesn't seem to care that much about the lives of sinners. Meanwhile Hellborn actively terrorize Earth from Verosika tempting people into lust to Blitzo murdering random bystanders while killing someone a pissed off sinner told him too to even Stolas (and presumably other Goetia) manipulating world politics

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I am honestly wondering how this will go because Blitzo and I.M.P. by dint of existing proves Adam, Lute, and all of Heaven, right about Hell. I know what Viv is going for, I know what she wants, but I don’t think she’s really thought through the implications of what these two shows meeting means for her wider universe. You have imps going to Earth murdering people. They are not good. What is I.M.P. going to end when they crossover? Is Charlie going to reneg on “anyone can be better”? Like, if the Princess finds out that these fuckers are breaking a major law, Surely there has to be a trail of some sort, right?

Don't worry apparently Hellborn are exempt from exterminations because the upper echelons of Heaven are threatened by Human Sinners rather than the Hellborn that they know are causing trouble on Earth.

So would Charlie at least attempt to call out Blitz and co. for damning more people? Or is it still too meeeaaan to actually use her authority as the princess of Hell? Damn, I still miss pilot Charlie, when she wasn’t a complete wet blanket and willing to fight a bitch.

The logic is somewhat sound: a sinner grows in strength as he accumulates contracts. The more contracts a Sinner has, the more powerful and dangerous he becomes. If left unchecked, a Sinner could very well grow powerful enough to escape Hell and even menace Heaven.

Hellborn on the other hand can in theory be disposed of by freaking cherubs AND they lack the ability to make contracts.

The logic is broken when overlords are never the primary targets in exterminations and Heaven is completely unaware of them at all despite the fact they have a crystal ball. Not to mention, they still are on open communication terms with Lucifer so they could just tell Lucifer to keep the overlords under control and Lucifer doesn't seem to care that much about the lives of sinners. Meanwhile Hellborn actively terrorize Earth from Verosika tempting people into lust to Blitzo murdering random bystanders while killing someone a pissed off sinner told him too to even Stolas (and presumably other Goetia) manipulating world politics

Charlie shouldn't be very happy with Hellborn damning people to Hell in theory, especially with the company of IMP. There business is not only illegal, but they are increasing the overpopulation rate immensely. Remember they're not just killing people that are there targets, but multiple others that get in their way. So even if all those people were already destined for Hell for whatever reason, you could argue there would be at least some time in between their deaths instead of all happening it at once. But Charlie doesn't really care that people are ending up in Hell anyway. Her only concern are the exterminators coming down to kill them.

In any case, the Hellborn should be thrilled that the Exterminations are happening. They're pardoned from getting killed (though I'm not sure how that would work out as some Sinners look very similar to the Hellborn species. I doubt the angels are going to ask the person whether they are a Sinner or Hellborn before killing them. I guess all the Hellborn just leave the Pride Ring on that day), so the lower-class mortal Hellborn are probably happy that there would be less Sinners around that just randomly come into their homeland that are more powerful and immortal.

Granted, that just brings up the question why Hellborn don't avoid the Pride ring entirely, seeing as they have complete access to the other rings unlike Sinners. They always have to worry about their own kind killing them; why add on people who can't die except by angelic weapons on top of that?

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

You know what would've been cute? If Blitzo told Charlie he remembers her when she was pitching the hotel at the News Station and he was looking at her ass in his Halloween costume (that's the Voxtagram's explanation of canonizing Blitzo's Hazbin design).
But since the pilot is no longer canon because of the redesigns and with Season 2 having Charlie meeting Katie Killjo... oh fuck.

How much y'all betting we're getting a Blitzo x Katie Killjoy interaction?

 

[Saxxon]

Update from the Vegas con: Helluva is now also owned by Amazon and crossovers are coming thanks to the legal issues being sorted between the shows. Helluva will still be on youtube for free but will be streaming on Prime a month in advance alongside Hazbin.

>More Stolas and his gay bird entourage
Season 3 already confirmed absolute ASS without even airing its first episode. No news of the Hazbin season yet, to no ones surprise.

So apparently Kesha is no longer voicing Beelzebub and the person who sang "Cotton Candy" will be taken over ...

... to the surprise of no one.

So essentially the season finale was delayed for God knows how many months and the money wasted on Kesha (who didn't even sang and did a terrible job as a VA) for it to just be a one and done?
It's truly understated how lucky someone like Viv is for her to constantly fail upwards even more now that daddy Bezos is footing the bill.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

I am honestly wondering how this will go because Blitzo and I.M.P. by dint of existing proves Adam, Lute, and all of Heaven, right about Hell. I know what Viv is going for, I know what she wants, but I don’t think she’s really thought through the implications of what these two shows meeting means for her wider universe. You have imps going to Earth murdering people. They are not good. What is I.M.P. going to end when they crossover? Is Charlie going to reneg on “anyone can be better”? Like, if the Princess finds out that these fuckers are breaking a major law, Surely there has to be a trail of some sort, right?

There is a plothole too: how do exterminators and C.H.E.R.U.B exist at the same time? What?

The logic is broken when overlords are never the primary targets in exterminations and Heaven is completely unaware of them at all despite the fact they have a crystal ball. Not to mention, they still are on open communication terms with Lucifer so they could just tell Lucifer to keep the overlords under control and Lucifer doesn't seem to care that much about the lives of sinners. Meanwhile Hellborn actively terrorize Earth from Verosika tempting people into lust to Blitzo murdering random bystanders while killing someone a pissed off sinner told him too to even Stolas (and presumably other Goetia) manipulating world politics

LoL, "Satan made me do it", are we going with this? Lmao.

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>More Stolas and his gay bird entourage
Season 3 already confirmed absolute ASS without even airing its first episode. No news of the Hazbin season yet, to no ones surprise.


So essentially the season finale was delayed for God knows how many months and the money wasted on Kesha (who didn't even sang and did a terrible job as a VA) for it to just be a one and done?
It's truly understated how lucky someone like Viv is for her to constantly fail upwards even more now that daddy Bezos is footing the bill.

I miss CHADam like you wouldn't believe. How I wish he would get a gun and say "FUCK ALL YOU NIGGERS" and start shooting every Helluva Bullshit cast character. While Harbin, China Hazbin Hotel is bad, it has a memorable cast. Helluva was ruined by the plot and the daily life of hell being fucking uninteresting.