Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Queen Orual]

I think my favorite thing about the Amazon announcement was how Viv "the Gratuitous Swearing is Absolutely Essential to My Plot" Medrano's ego couldn't handle being called a bitch by her own cartoon character, even in a casual tongue-and-cheek way, without her other character coming in to assure Viv that she's great and everyone loves her.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

I think my favorite thing about the Amazon announcement was how Viv "the Gratuitous Swearing is Absolutely Essential to My Plot" Medrano's ego couldn't handle being called a bitch by her own cartoon character, even in a casual tongue-and-cheek way, without her other character coming in to assure Viv that she's great and everyone loves her.

Its interesting because her characters WOULD call her a bitch (Blitzos Instagram, Pussy demon, Cherub, and Weeboo) now because of her ego being as voracious as her appetite, I wonder if she's just going to be unable to humble herself/make fun of herself anymore because she "was right all along and is the top girl boss"

 

[didelphigina]

She's also a teenager so it would make sense for her to be more conflicted about it.

Correction—the woman's in her 20s. In hell years, that is. Don't blame you, though. With how she acts in the show, she's more of a 16-year-old in a 22-year-old's body than an actual 22-year-old.

 

[Sonya-chan]

A Helluva Boss x Hazbin crossover feels super fucking redundant honestly. None of these characters will have anything of value to say to each other.

Luna: Fuck you guys!
Angel Dust: No, you fuck you!
Vaggie: Both of you fuck you
Blitz: Fuck you all of you

 

[The tired cat]

Luna: Fuck you guys!
Angel Dust: No, you fuck you!
Vaggie: Both of you fuck you
Blitz: Fuck you all of you

An then they all became a Swedish family.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Correction—the woman's in her 20s. In hell years, that is. Don't blame you, though. With how she acts in the show, she's more of a 16-year-old in a 22-year-old's body than an actual 22-year-old.

Ah still she is a young adult and is the youngest of the cast who barely went on missions so at least inner conflict with her makes sense unlike the guy who projects himself on every gay family he sees.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Vivziepop is just ripping off Roger's gag from American dad of him being in multiple disguises, though just as likely she's just incorporating Brandon Rogers' comedic style of how he just dresses up, but wouldn't Blitzo have just used the Asmodeun crystal to just turn into different people, like there could be more comedic potential in that too.

That could actually work. Have Blitzø transform into one of the many characters Brandon Rogers plays as in his skits. A nice little nod and wink to the fans of his. Hell, they already did that with his Grandpa character in the Apology Tour episode.

 

[Bugged_NPC]

I never understood the premise of Helluva Boss. It's stupid at its base.

The main customer base for IMP is Sinners who want to kill people for revenge/petty shit, right?

Most people in HB/HH universe go to Hell upon dying. The fujo fanfiction writer wasn't guilty of anything other than being a fujo fanfiction writer (jokes aside about degeneracy) and she went to Hell upon dying, so the bar is on the floor for standards.

So all Sinners do by contracting assassins to kill their enemies is bring the people who have wronged them/pissed them off closer to them! There is no fallout for IMP, the targets, or the contractors beyond that, besides one stupid instance of fan service!

Like, if you hated somebody's guts, and you know they hate your guts, wouldn't you want to avoid them at all costs? Wouldn't you want a plan to make sure you never see them again, or if you cross paths, end the conflict for good? There is only the Pride Ring which seems limited to a city sized area to hide in.

Or, since these Sinners are the petty/evil enough to send out a hit in the first place, they'd most likely be the type to try to eternally torture the person they targetted, even by selling them off to the highest bidder somehow.

But no.

These stupid fucks just send out hits with no plans, foresight, or, more importantly, consequences.

People being stupid and shortsighted I can believe, but the last part of there being no consequences is 100% on Vivzie. No surprises there.

Actually, let's touch on that fanservice interraction between Ms. Teacher and Bitch Homewrecker for a second.

First of all, real nice of the husbands to not have beef with the women who directly or indirectly cut their lives short.

Second of all, where the fuck are Bitch Homewrecker's kids? As we established, Hell has no barrier to entry. Those kids are somewhere. Maybe Cannibal Town? Is Bitch Homewrecker a Deadbeat Mom too? Eh, I guess that's in line with Vivzie's MO in her universe: Ruining families for gay fuzzy wuzzies.

Forget IMP, there's money to be made and influence to be had making sure certain Sinners are barred shelter on Extermination Day. That could even explain how Overlords get their power: "Make sure I'm safe from perma-death, and make sure this asshole gets obliterated by the Exterminators." Because besides the Vees and their shallow hold on media, fashion, and porn, how do Overlords actually entice people to hand their souls over to them?

As an aside, what even happens to Sinners if they try to enter other Rings? Why are Sinners limited to Pride in the first place? If Vivzie didn't have that stupid unexplained caveat to her worldbuilding you could have had IMP smuggle people to and from the Rings they aren't supposed to be in. So much more hijinks could ensue.

Fuck, the worldbuilding pisses me off.

What a waste of not one, but two concepts.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Actually, let's touch on that fanservice interraction between Ms. Teacher and Bitch Homewrecker for a second.

First of all, real nice of the husbands to not have beef with the women who directly or indirectly cut their lives short.

Second of all, where the fuck are Bitch Homewrecker's kids? As we established, Hell has no barrier to entry. Those kids are somewhere. Maybe Cannibal Town? Is Bitch Homewrecker a Deadbeat Mom too? Eh, I guess that's in line with Vivzie's MO in her universe: Ruining families for gay fuzzy wuzzies.

I guess the logic is "Well we're already in hell" so things can't get worse but those two really have no reason to like each other. It's fanservice in the worst way because it's very clearly made for a specific group of people and everyone else either doesn't care or doesn't know about the ship.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Most people in HB/HH universe go to Hell upon dying. The fujo fanfiction writer wasn't guilty of anything other than being a fujo fanfiction writer (jokes aside about degeneracy) and she went to Hell upon dying, so the bar is on the floor for standards.

So all Sinners do by contracting assassins to kill their enemies is bring the people who have wronged them/pissed them off closer to them! There is no fallout for IMP, the targets, or the contractors beyond that, besides one stupid instance of fan service!

Like, if you hated somebody's guts, and you know they hate your guts, wouldn't you want to avoid them at all costs? Wouldn't you want a plan to make sure you never see them again, or if you cross paths, end the conflict for good? There is only the Pride Ring which seems limited to a city sized area to hide in.

It doesn't help that only 5 of the clients were ever properly characterized too and let's look at what we have

Mrs. Teacher - She just wanted the woman that her husband cheated with to be killed out of anger for that woman being seen as a heroic survivor. The rest of the family got killed due to police incompetence, and somehow she dates the woman she wanted to kill for no reason???

Inventor Man - Really only wanted IMP to kill his business partner to see him again since he was close to dying already, and lied to them that it was for revenge when it was really to get his buddy with him.

Counselor - Teenager who wanted revenge on another teenager for killing him while the killer was actually just a gofer for a drug ring that Blitzo's sister runs.

Ghostfuckers Client - Wanted IMP to murder a ghost (really a demon). Presumably just for revenge or some justice to make sure no one else was killed by her, really its mostly unknown.

Not!Stella - Wanted IMP to just kill her ex so he wouldn't enjoy Christmas with her kids. Pretty much just Stella if she were a human and a nasty person just so Blitzo could feel ease of consciousness in refusing to kill two gay dudes.

In general most of what we got is petty revenge mainly so other living people can't enjoy their lives.

Honestly the idea of this service for short-sighted revenge could work, and the comedy setting could lead to consequences of the clients not really wanting to deal with the people they hate. But the show's melodramatic tone shift makes all the comedic stuff be seen under a new light to fit the new tone and puts it under more scrutiny.

As an aside, what even happens to Sinners if they try to enter other Rings? Why are Sinners limited to Pride in the first place? If Vivzie didn't have that stupid unexplained caveat to her worldbuilding you could have had IMP smuggle people to and from the Rings they aren't supposed to be in. So much more hijinks could ensue.

Sinners are limited to Pride presumably because Lucifer set terms that the exterminations can only harm sinners, and made the Pride Ring pretty much a slaughtering grounds for sinners due to the upper echelons of heaven wanting to stop an uprising...despite the fact they literally talk to Lucifer about the terms and conditions of exterminations as well as the fact so many of the hellborn are the ones actually shown causing trouble on Earth.

 

[didelphigina]

Sinners are limited to Pride presumably because Lucifer set terms that the exterminations can only harm sinners, and made the Pride Ring pretty much a slaughtering grounds for sinners due to the upper echelons of heaven wanting to stop an uprising...despite the fact they literally talk to Lucifer about the terms and conditions of exterminations as well as the fact so many of the hellborn are the ones actually shown causing trouble on Earth.

Not to mention if they stay outside the ring for longer than 24 hours, they'll instantly die. Forgot the source on that, though, but it's both plausible and ridiculous.

The whole thing is stupid anyway. What do you mean uprising? What do you mean overpopulation? How are you surprised? You grouped up billions of sinners into one cramped ring, how else could you be surprised at the problem? And what someone said a few pages ago that an uprising is effectively useless considering there's no casual entry or travel to Heaven since the portal to it can only be created by the Seraphims themselves. So this whole "uprising" worry is just an excuse to do the exterminations more. It's such a useless plot point that does nothing but waste time and add meaningless conflict.

I don't know how long exterminations last but if they last for less than a day, then yeah, Blitzo could very well swindle people into his business by promising them safety from the exterminations, treating it as a yearly sort of BIG BOOM for his company. But nope, lost opportunity because it took them six years to go "Yeah, we can do crossovers with each other now, lol."

 

[Doctor of Autism]

The whole thing is stupid anyway. What do you mean uprising? What do you mean overpopulation? How are you surprised? You grouped up billions of sinners into one cramped ring, how else could you be surprised at the problem? And what someone said a few pages ago that an uprising is effectively useless considering there's no casual entry or travel to Heaven since the portal to it can only be created by the Seraphims themselves. So this whole "uprising" worry is just an excuse to do the exterminations more. It's such a useless plot point that does nothing but waste time and add meaningless conflict.

The whole uprising thing was just Vivzie's attempt at making Heaven seem more sympathetic and to just give an easy answer to resolve the question of redeeming sinners since she can't write any conflict without having one party go through a misunderstanding.

The Uprising thing though literally makes no sense since as I mentioned many times Heaven has a crystal ball to check on Hell's activity, they have Lucifer on talking terms to at least be aware what's going on, and the fact the only ones causing anything close to an uprising are the demons exempt from being exterminated.

Hell you mentioned that Heaven can only be opened by seraphim makes it even an extra layer of stupidity.

Overpopulation (as in the basic idea of too many people in Hell) makes sense for a premise like Hazbin Hotel, it both incentivizes reasons for the hotel to be made and sets up the redemption premise nicely. It isn't done with too much malice and there should be more space, which like the solution to the problem is create purgatory/limbo.

But then the show added the uprising plot point and added that no one has any idea what gets someone to Hell or Heaven

But Vivziepop is a fan of writing misunderstandings caused by "smart" masterminds which is what Eve is likely going to be and for why the exterminations happened.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

I actually like this show and feel the "It's pro-Satanism" meme is acting in bad faith.
That being said, it does draw the absolute most obnoxious fangirls who unironically do shill Luciferianism because they're so mad at their parents for making them go to church when they were kids.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

The whole thing is stupid anyway. What do you mean uprising? What do you mean overpopulation? How are you surprised? You grouped up billions of sinners into one cramped ring, how else could you be surprised at the problem? And what someone said a few pages ago that an uprising is effectively useless considering there's no casual entry or travel to Heaven since the portal to it can only be created by the Seraphims themselves. So this whole "uprising" worry is just an excuse to do the exterminations more. It's such a useless plot point that does nothing but waste time and add meaningless conflict

The whole uprising thing was just Vivzie's attempt at making Heaven seem more sympathetic and to just give an easy answer to resolve the question of redeeming sinners since she can't write any conflict without having one party go through a misunderstanding.

The Uprising thing though literally makes no sense since as I mentioned many times Heaven has a crystal ball to check on Hell's activity, they have Lucifer on talking terms to at least be aware what's going on, and the fact the only ones causing anything close to an uprising are the demons exempt from being exterminated.

Hell you mentioned that Heaven can only be opened by seraphim makes it even an extra layer of stupidity.

Overpopulation (as in the basic idea of too many people in Hell) makes sense for a premise like Hazbin Hotel, it both incentivizes reasons for the hotel to be made and sets up the redemption premise nicely. It isn't done with too much malice and there should be more space, which like the solution to the problem is create purgatory/limbo.

But then the show added the uprising plot point and added that no one has any idea what gets someone to Hell or Heaven

But Vivziepop is a fan of writing misunderstandings caused by "smart" masterminds which is what Eve is likely going to be and for why the exterminations happened.

Honestly if they wanted a reason to have angels come down to Hell to kill Sinners, it could have been to prevent them from going up to Earth. With how many tools there are to get to Earth with almost no limits to them, I would assume a Sinner could cause a lot of trouble on Earth; moreso than in a place like Heaven.

It's a good enough reason for why Heaven would do this sort of thing. They figure that the humans who are in Hell had a chance to get into Heaven when they were alive, so there's really no point in trying to save them now. But the people who are still alive do have a chance getting into Heaven. And they would want as many to go to Heaven as the humans are to angels' creation in this. So they would do whatever they could to prevent Hell from having any influence on Earth.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

I like to mention an anon told a HH critic that their friend tried to summon the actual Lucifer because they thought that by doing so will bring forth HH Lucifer.

Everyday we stray closer to the "HH Fans when they enter in hell..." Meme.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Honestly if they wanted a reason to have angels come down to Hell to kill Sinners, it could have been to prevent them from going up to Earth. With how many tools there are to get to Earth with almost no limits to them, I would assume a Sinner could cause a lot of trouble on Earth; moreso than in a place like Heaven.

It's a good enough reason for why Heaven would do this sort of thing. They figure that the humans who are in Hell had a chance to get into Heaven when they were alive, so there's really no point in trying to save them now. But the people who are still alive do have a chance getting into Heaven. And they would want as many to go to Heaven as the humans are to angels' creation in this. So they would do whatever they could to prevent Hell from having any influence on Earth.

The issue again loops around to the fact that the regular Sinners are shown to not really be able to go to Earth since the legal means of going to Earth either have to be obtained in circles Sinners are not allowed in (Lust given its an Asmodeun crystal) or from higher up demons like Stolas.

Like the only way humans can have any influence on Earth is paying demon hitmen to do the job otherwise, a sinner could've just gone to Earth on their own which they can't do.

So really any cause of stopping Sinners from uprising or influencing Earth should apply to the protected Hellborn.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

The Uprising thing though literally makes no sense since as I mentioned many times Heaven has a crystal ball to check on Hell's activity, they have Lucifer on talking terms to at least be aware what's going on, and the fact the only ones causing anything close to an uprising are the demons exempt from being exterminated.

Hell you mentioned that Heaven can only be opened by seraphim makes it even an extra layer of stupidity.

Overpopulation (as in the basic idea of too many people in Hell) makes sense for a premise like Hazbin Hotel, it both incentivizes reasons for the hotel to be made and sets up the redemption premise nicely. It isn't done with too much malice and there should be more space, which like the solution to the problem is create purgatory/limbo

Honestly if they wanted a reason to have angels come down to Hell to kill Sinners, it could have been to prevent them from going up to Earth. With how many tools there are to get to Earth with almost no limits to them, I would assume a Sinner could cause a lot of trouble on Earth; moreso than in a place like Heaven.

It's a good enough reason for why Heaven would do this sort of thing. They figure that the humans who are in Hell had a chance to get into Heaven when they were alive,

Not to mention if they stay outside the ring for longer than 24 hours, they'll instantly die. Forgot the source on that, though, but it's both plausible and riridiculous.

Holy shit, that's so fucking stupid. All of you provide excellent points. At that point if overpopulation was a problem whats the point in the exorcists killing them? If Adam and or Lucifer can just make a metaphorical dump truck to push them out of the pride ringe, and some angelic bricks to make a wall to keep them out for 24 hours so that they die off. Lucifer literally does not care about them, and talks about how awful they all. He doesn't even have to interact with them he has been shown to make shit magically so he could snap his fingers and just do whatever.

And uprising is so stupid, when again they have been shown that they can't even GET to heaven anyways. If they are having an uprising it would be trying to usurp LUCIFER who is the only one that can TALK to heaven. LILITH who feeds them and makes them more powerful SOMEHOW is gone and has been gone for YEARS.

If anything they should be targeting CHARLIE who is trying to get people to go to heaven. Which would be an interesting idea that the angels think that Charlie is trying to bring the fight to heaven, when Charlie is instead trying to send them through reforming. That would be so much better as a writing point of that the angels only do it because they ASSSUME Charlie is evil BECAUSE of Lucifers influence. And are thus more on guard and do not trust her because of her families history.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Sinners are shown to not really be able to go to Earth since the legal means of going to Earth either have to be obtained in circles Sinners are not allowed in

We haven't actually seen a sinner appear yet on earth it's only been hellborns (imps, succubus, hellhounds, envy fish demons, goetia). I think Viv stated that they can't go back to earth but knowing her writing that's not guaranteed anymore.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

If anything they should be targeting CHARLIE who is trying to get people to go to heaven. Which would be an interesting idea that the angels think that Charlie is trying to bring the fight to heaven, when Charlie is instead trying to send them through reforming. That would be so much better as a writing point of that the angels only do it because they ASSSUME Charlie is evil BECAUSE of Lucifers influence. And are thus more on guard and do not trust her because of her families history.

Yeah hell that crystal ball could be incorporated but have a limited vision to only show the more dangerous sinners who happen to be overlords, it could probably be the best way to tie both Heaven and the Vee's (and I guess Fraudlastor) as villains since the overlords basically paint a negative image of sinners.

And uprising is so stupid, when again they have been shown that they can't even GET to heaven anyways. If they are having an uprising it would be trying to usurp LUCIFER who is the only one that can TALK to heaven. LILITH who feeds them and makes them more powerful SOMEHOW is gone and has been gone for YEARS.

Not to mention the only demons causing problems for anyone that's not in Hell are EXEMPT from the exterminations but I guess Vivzie wouldn't want her precious babies Blitzo and Stolas get killed by angels for basically causing problems on Earth (add on Asmodeus, Verosika, and Barbie Wire who've also committed terrible things on Earth)

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

I think my favorite thing about the Amazon announcement was how Viv "the Gratuitous Swearing is Absolutely Essential to My Plot" Medrano's ego couldn't handle being called a bitch by her own cartoon character, even in a casual tongue-and-cheek way, without her other character coming in to assure Viv that she's great and everyone loves her.

I’m not surprised, people like Viv have fragile egos. They can’t handle people calling them names or saying bad things about them.