Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Cause according to spindlehorse this...
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Has more "appeal" than this.
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The necklace doesn't even go around her entire neck wtf. I don't know what happened. She was much cuter in the pilot.
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Granted almost everyone looked better in the pilot, so it's not just her.
Same design flaw with mimzy. Maybe a few superficial details like the ones I mentioned at best evoke "chicken" at least give her a feather boa, make her fingers more like talons, and give her tail feathers. Something that conveys chicken better...again how is Vivzie and spindlehorse so bad at conveying details in their work?....oh right because they're too busy waving the rainbow flags long after everyone else stopped caring. To focus on writing/character design.
Reminder, Beezlebub is supposed to look like a hybrid of a canine and a bee.
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And this is the best that they come up with for that.

It's amazing how Viv'a character designs are over-detailed yet very basic.
 
How you would even make those two work together in the first place? Like aesthetics, humor, and influence wise Cuphead and Hazbin are day and night.

It is still fresh content in a world of slop
Just barely, and that comes more than not as a consequence of the cartoon industry castrating itself with beanslop and therapy talk, in a more healthy time the hellaverse would have stayed a niche internet thing.
 
Just barely, and that comes more than not as a consequence of the cartoon industry castrating itself with beanslop and therapy talk, in a more healthy time the hellaverse would have stayed a niche internet thing.
As much cancer as it is, it is at least watchable. It's really like refreshing yourself with lukewarm beer after coming home. Better than nothing.
There's not much left in way of entertainment. Invincible is gay fest. The boys is a giant homo orgy. Death note is just ruined.
 
And this is the best that they come up with for that.
Unpopular but I like Queen Bee. She's colorful and the bee/fox hybrid thing makes her more visually interesting than most furrybait, and she looks great in motion IMO (if you listen closely, you can almost hear the animators weeping). I can take or leave the actual "Cotton Candy" song but I love everything else about that scene. She's just having a good time and she wants everyone else to have a good time, too.
 
The necklace doesn't even go around her entire neck wtf. I don't know what happened. She was much cuter in the pilot.
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Granted almost everyone looked better in the pilot, so it's not just her.

Reminder, Beezlebub is supposed to look like a hybrid of a canine and a bee.
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And this is the best that they come up with for that.

It's amazing how Viv'a character designs are over-detailed yet very basic.
And at least marvel kinda had the excuses of "oh crap we just killed off an iconic and fan favorite villian of our best selling franchise" (green goblin in the night Gwen Stacey died) and weren't ready to go the legacy character route with Harry taking up the mantle to serve as a substitute.


Hazbin and helluva are new ips and it's not like Viv needed a replacement substitute for any of these characters. Unless you count their pilot versions. AFAIK there was no time crunch either, hell I remember when this thread was sure hazbin hotel was doomed to be the half life 3 of animation. So it's not like they didn't have the time to fine tune the character designs.


I see WHAT their going for in beelzebub like with mimizy. Multiple arms, bug like antenna, black and yellow bee colors evoking a bee with fox like ears and a body. That would be somewhat forgivable IF they were on a deadline to produce content...or if these were the first drafts not the final versions.


Hey vivzie? You like to pretend you're still in high school at 30? Well here, I give your character designs a solid C- minus a teacher's note....Need's improvement.
 
Unpopular but I like Queen Bee. She's colorful and the bee/fox hybrid thing makes her more visually interesting than most furrybait, and she looks great in motion IMO (if you listen closely, you can almost hear the animators weeping). I can take or leave the actual "Cotton Candy" song but I love everything else about that scene. She's just having a good time and she wants everyone else to have a good time, too.
I see WHAT their going for in beelzebub like with mimizy. Multiple arms, bug like antenna, black and yellow bee colors evoking a bee with fox like ears and a body. That would be somewhat forgivable IF they were on a deadline to produce content...or if these were the first drafts not the final versions
I actually don' mind the design. I just don't think it fit for the character Beezlebub. When I first saw her, I literally thought she was some hellhound popstar; not the queen of Gluttony. I was also annoyed that Viv has to make a Twitter thread (again) to explain what she going for with the design since the show couldn't, you know, SHOW it itself. She's apparently supposed to represent a circus animal tamer 60s hippie party girl. Really? I don't even get any of the circus motif that is apparently supposed to be the main running theme for all the deadly sins.

There were a couple of redesigns of Bee posted here (one done by me and the other by (Re)Runner), and whether you liked it or not, at least we managed to portray what we wanted the character to be like. With Viv, it just seemed like she couldn't just admit that she just wanted Kesha's fursona in the show, and we as the audience are too stupid to actually see all these supposed finer details that went into it.
 
She's apparently supposed to represent a circus animal tamer 60s hippie party girl. Really? I don't even get any of the circus motif that is apparently supposed to be the main running theme for all the deadly sins.
She only gets the circus tamer look durinh the trial, where she shocker is actually wearing the fitting outfit for that. Which is odd, because we see none of the other Sins change their clothes for the meeting EXCEPT Bee.
 
There's not much left in way of entertainment. Invincible is gay fest. The boys is a giant homo orgy. Death note is just ruined.
I get what you mean, but I think there's still plenty of neat stuff out there, old AND new. Don't settle for mediocrity if you don't have -or really want- to (then again we wouldn't be here if we really followed through with that, tbh). Just came out of watching stuff like Summit of the Gods and Future Boy Conan myself recently. Good shit.

/'scuse the off-topic ramblings
 
The boys is a giant homo orgy.
I've often said...stick to the og comics when it comes to the boys. Say what you want about ennis being the "peak 2000s edgelord," but he had the balls to tell all the capeshit to fuck off a decade before it really needed to fuck off. The show and Indeed the franchise became the very corporate money making slop it once mocked.



And to stay on topic, Ennis' the boys is actually "edgy" not Vivian and spindlehorse's idea of safe "ooohh look a gay kiss!" Or "look a trans va voicing a trans character " and especially last months rainbow barf merch drop, version of edgy.
 
I've often said...stick to the og comics when it comes to the boys. Say what you want about ennis being the "peak 2000s edgelord," but he had the balls to tell all the capeshit to fuck off a decade before it really needed to fuck off. The show and Indeed the franchise became the very corporate money making slop it once mocked
Ennis is a hack and his comic was nothing more than retard yells at cloud. Its not about "having balls" its that the guy is a huge no talent wank, that gets sucked off because of his garbage Punisher run.
 
And to stay on topic, Ennis' the boys is actually "edgy" not Vivian and spindlehorse's idea of safe "ooohh look a gay kiss!" Or "look a trans va voicing a trans character " and especially last months rainbow barf merch drop, version of edgy.
It's really vomit worthy how the show is trying to sell to poons
 
Ennis is a hack and his comic was nothing more than retard yells at cloud. Its not about "having balls" its that the guy is a huge no talent wank, that gets sucked off because of his garbage Punisher run.
I see your point, but disagree if only cause the comic/animation industry has even bigger hacks. Where vivzie thinks saying fuck a thousand times is funny with no ryhme or reason,, garth thinks saying nigger a thousand times over with no ryhme or reason is funny. Both suck due to their lack of finesse or tact, but I'd rather be on Garth's side, if only cause he can get a genuine laugh outta me now and again.
 
She only gets the circus tamer look durinh the trial, where she shocker is actually wearing the fitting outfit for that. Which is odd, because we see none of the other Sins change their clothes for the meeting EXCEPT Bee.
Actually Asmodeus and Mammon are wearing different outfits in the trial. It's just not as drastically different as Bee's was.

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Though if you look at the storyboards for Mastermind, you can see that she was originally in her debut outfit do my guesd is the court clothes was in response to everyone saying that nothing about Beelzebub screamed "animal tamer" in her original design like Viv initially said.
 
Off topic,but seeing that we are bringing designs back in and critiquing them. The originals, and Bee appearing back on the thread, good lord they should of just kept her tamer outfit and color scheme that looks so much better and way less heavy for the poor animators. :( Ozzies orginal clothing looks great but his sin outfit is hideous he already is the second worst sin design but the color scheme is just his outfit is a pan flag? Cool...?  ahem
Mammon looks great like always, the court outfit is also much better! Why don't they keep their court outfits as their main ones? They are so much better for their designs, and way less stress for the overworked animators.


This has been making me think about my own designs for a bit. So I'll far just ask some questions about the character designs so far out of the redesigns which are the best? And which portray the characters better? Which ones suck?
Another thing I feel like personally my redesigns aren't to heavy with animation as an animator myself. If someone else could give their two cents who also does animation.

Just want to get some idea of what to add or push more when I continue working.

I feel like they all have strong silhouettes to make them not bleed into one another and different body types to show them off.
 
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