Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[InJailOutSoon]

But wasn't the commercial mentioned only in the pilot and nowhere else?

I...honestly can't remember for the life of me. The world-building was never that good to begin with for Helluva Boss. Which wouldn't have been that bad if the show had stayed with it's original episodic comedy format.

 

[King Metalia]

Vivz seems to have the ability to come up with good ideas and then totally wreck them.

I wonder how Viv's work would have turned out if she wasn't obsessed with the gay sex part of the show?

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Been quite a while since I last checked in on this thread. Lately, as I've been doing some catchup on Viv shenanigans, I've been pondering what could've been. Not the shows themselves, mind you, but what would've happened if the causes and effects behind HH and HB were just a little bit different.

For example, what would've happened if Covid never happened, Hazbin got picked up by a different network besides Amazon, didn't get locked behind streaming, was allowed to have a 20-30 episode season instead of a heavily serialized 8 episode one. Heck, what would've happened if HB never existed and Viv and Spindlehorse focused all their efforts on HH? Would the show have become a Simpsons/Spongebob-level success and have been nigh-inescapable online like MLP:FiM was?

Sure, the show is successful with the Hot Topic kids, but it really hasn't broken outside of that bubble, and that bubble is only so big at the moment. My tried-and-true "Profile Picture test" has told me that Hazbin really hasn't had the level of impact that I thought it was going to have back in 2019, for better or for worse.

Granted, I feel part of the reason for that is that Hazbin really doesn't have that much overlap with most of the communities/fandoms I keep tabs on. Compared to say, Undertale, where Toby was able to have a massive reach due to his relations in the Earthbound, ROM Hacking, and competitive Melee community. The most Viv had prior to HH dropping was her built-in fanbase from Zoophobia, and the general cartoon community at large cheering her on.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

if the pilot is cannon then they have been seen on live human tv

Canon or not, people might've pass that off as a phenomenon and not put much thought into it. DHORKS has various footage of IMP at the beginning of Truth Seekers, and yet weren't taken seriously until they got that footage of the final fight at the end.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Been quite a while since I last checked in on this thread. Lately, as I've been doing some catchup on Viv shenanigans, I've been pondering what could've been. Not the shows themselves, mind you, but what would've happened if the causes and effects behind HH and HB were just a little bit different.

For example, what would've happened if Covid never happened, Hazbin got picked up by a different network besides Amazon, didn't get locked behind streaming, was allowed to have a 20-30 episode season instead of a heavily serialized 8 episode one. Heck, what would've happened if HB never existed and Viv and Spindlehorse focused all their efforts on HH? Would the show have become a Simpsons/Spongebob-level success and have been nigh-inescapable online like MLP:FiM was?

Sure, the show is successful with the Hot Topic kids, but it really hasn't broken outside of that bubble, and that bubble is only so big at the moment. My tried-and-true "Profile Picture test" has told me that Hazbin really hasn't had the level of impact that I thought it was going to have back in 2019, for better or for worse.

Granted, I feel part of the reason for that is that Hazbin really doesn't have that much overlap with most of the communities/fandoms I keep tabs on. Compared to say, Undertale, where Toby was able to have a massive reach due to his relations in the Earthbound, ROM Hacking, and competitive Melee community. The most Viv had prior to HH dropping was her built-in fanbase from Zoophobia, and the general cartoon community at large cheering her on.

We do sort of see what could have been with Hazbin Hotel before it got picked up by A24, with the pitch bible, list of comic summaries, and Viv also mentioning making shorts for the show as well. I imagine the spread of Hazbin Hotel would be similar to how Helluva Boss is.

There is also the matter of Viv not screwing over the people who helped make the Hazbin Hotel pilot a reality in the first place, which means the art and animation style would remain the same, the writing would be similar to the pilot, and we would have most of the VAs reprising their roles. Viv would also probably be looked more positively as a pioneer for Indie animation and as an example that you too can achieve your dream of making a show. And there probably would be less people that despise Viv as a person as well.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

I'm actually glad you brought him up, because Lewis is a really good illustration of the problem with so many modern-day creatives and why so many of them seem to pale in comparison with people like him. Lewis was a very smart man with a vivid imagination who was incredibly well-read and intellectually curious. He also had a life full of experiences, both positive and negative, that went on to influence him as a writer, person, and theologian. His mother died when he was a kid and he was left with a distant and demanding father and got shuttled around to various schools and tutors. He served in WWI as an infantry officer, lost several friends, and was nearly killed himself by an errant artillery shell. One of his friends who died had asked him to look after his mother if he was killed, and Lewis took this request so seriously that he went to live with her and spent the rest of her life taking care of her. He rejected his Christian faith as a teenager and spent a long time, as he put it, being "very angry with God for not existing" and "equally angry with him for creating a world." He ultimately returned to Christianity after years of atheism thanks to the influence of his friends Tolkien and Hugo Dyson and wound up becoming one of the foremost lay theologians the Church of England ever produced. All throughout his academic career, he worked with and taught many very smart people, and his friends in the Inklings, including Tolkien, Owen Barfield, and Charles Williams, helped him refine the Space Trilogy and the Narnia series. They also occasionally did competitions where they read aloud from the books of legendarily shitty author Amanda McKittrick Ros to see who could read her drivel the longest without laughing, so sitting around and mocking no-talent lolcows over a beer is a grand and honorable tradition that we should all be proud of.

He had an amazing life story. We cannot compare him to George Raymond Martin, let alone someone like Vivianne!

 

[Niggerphobe]

And also why has not one person live streamed the fish monster at the beach

 

[sixuglymidgets]

You know what could've made the driving short better? If it they were in hell and it was moxxie who got angry and started flipping out over it with millie revealing that moxxie is not allowed to drive because of his road rage and driving like a maniac. You could even have loona get disturbed at his antics.