Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[GeorgeSmarty]

Agreed. It's dumb that Heaven doesn't know and understand how the system it created works. One could excuse this, however, by saying that the system was never originally designed that way. After all, Lucifer and Lilith's choices led to sin and death. This means that this system created by the angels was never intended for mortality. Nevertheless, it's still dumb that they never asked or bothered to find out how it works.

It's even weirder that the portals can't be used by redeemed people and are also opaque so you can't just show Pentious trough them anyways and Heaven apparently also doesn't has basic video technology. (Okay they don't even seem to have a functioning government but still.)

Also if I remember correctly Baxter mentions that Vox steals Heaven's media, but for some reason he and Pentious still have to invent new technology for a livestream? And since Baxter's laptop gets destroyed Pentious has to do that stuff all on his own so Baxter really has no reason to exist.

If you think about it it really feels like the writers came up with a premise and then just kept it even if it didn't makes sense and the plot had to bend itself into a four dimensional brezel to have a half assed justification.

Like instead of turning people away from Vox trough hard work and actually convincing them he is nice enough to ruin his own reputation by blowing up random houses and then his weapon conveniently threatens to destroy everyone present so all the overlords have to work together. The writing always just takes short cuts. And I actually had fun with the series and the s2 finale since I thought it was an entertaining spectacle, I just wish it wouldn't have wasted so much potential.

She do. There just isnt enough material of her that ive found.

Idk what this game is but it looks terrifying

I thought Zeezi's design looked interesting and wondered how she and the other overlords would play in the story.



And yet so far we still barely know anything about her, not even if she actually can change her size or the animators just have completly fucked up the scaling between scenes.

But honestly isn't that the case with most overlords?
I mean most of them that aren't directly important for the main story just exist for the overlords meeting scenes and have like a few superficial personality traits without being really significant for anything really.

It's also funny that Vox makes them his followers by promising them the things in heaven they already have in hell anyways, so what's the point of fighting and possibly dying for that?

You could just say that Heaven is an actual seat of divine power that demons want to posses for themselves.

And I mean it wouldn't be that hard to implement them in the story a bit more with better pacing, for example some of the characters could spend some of their just fucking around time at Club Kaiju since that location exists since the pilot and have a few interactions with the overlords like Zeezi, Prick and Hatchet that seemingly hang around there, which actually could end up being the reason why they manage to the convince the overlords to help them in the ending.

I think there once was the suggestion that Hazbin could have shorts that show the overlord's human lives and how they died and if it would be well written it could be an interesting depiction of how or why people turn to sin in different time periods of history and also what their demon manifestation represents.

I mean what do you have to do get turned into a dinosaur as an ironic punishment?


Or what is the deal of Maestro?
You know the burning skull guy.



His only characteristics are that he seems to like classical music and silence. (Classical music isn't necessarily silent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6cogix3cwQ but anyways.)
So what exactly did he do to go to hell?

Given if Viv would write his backstory it would probably just be that he murdered people because they were too loud during a concert and then accidently got stuck inside an oven with his head, but yeah maybe people here have better ideas for the overlords former lives since improving Viv's writing seems to be something of a part time hobby here for some people.

 

[Strangolapreti]

So what exactly did he do to go to hell?

You want a musician in hell, I'd make him a plagiarist whose love for music went far past his own (lackluster) talent.
Imagine a sommelier, but for music instead of wine, snotty and eccentric, who has done nothing but studying it for his whole life, and yet always lacked the creativity to compose, so guided by his own pride, who told him that its not enough to be recognized as just a good music director, (instert instrument here)-ist and teacher, but that he deserved more, like being treated as something more, so he started to exploit more gifted people in his classroom, taking tunes and accords written in their notebooks and repurposing them as songs for him to play, while at the same time gaslighting and guiding them against pursuing music more than merely playing instrument. An evil, bitter and jealous man that was didn't hesitate to pull down young, natural talent in order to push himself above, but regardless of everything, he still loved music to an obsessive degree and in the end, even in death he regrets nothing.

maybe people here have better ideas for the overlords former lives since improving Viv's writing seems to be something of a part time hobby here for some people.

Creativity is a talent that requires both a natural gift and strong emotions to guide it.
The grandest of tragedies are also the most ironics, in this case: give to the creative the inability to express him/herself, and a blank check, alongside a team, for the gay-loving retard that thinks a dumpsterfire romance has unimmaginable levels of depth because its between two faggots and the alternative is a cartoonishly evil strawman.

 

[Cnidarian]

would play in the story.

That's Susie from Deltarune as a scene girl.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I know its an almost 20 years old series, but have you considered watching/rewatching Mononoke?
The animation is gorgeous even for today standards, the show itself doesn't treats you like a complete retard, the demons are actually eldritch, instead of gay twinks and nobody is gay.

That's a series that I haven't thought about in a while. I like how the art style is basically a moving ukiyo (I think that's what it's called). Definitely need to rematch it again. I'd probably understand/appreciate it more now that I'm an adult.

 

[peachlover669]

The golden rule is that, if previous season/entry was dogshit, then you mustn't watch the next one.
If you wonder why such a retard rule exists in the first place, look at borutards.

you know what? that's fair, in that case i recommend watching all of helluva boss.

you'll love it!

 

[Strangolapreti]

That's a series that I haven't thought about in a while. I like how the art style is basically a moving ukiyo (I think that's what it's called). Definitely need to rematch it again. I'd probably understand/appreciate it more now that I'm an adult.

A movie trilogy has been made recently; first 2 released already, third one is coming soon.

you know what? that's fair, in that case i recommend watching all of helluva boss.

you'll love it!

Yeah... I watched the first season already and I'd rather shoot myself and go to actual hell than try the second one.

 

[peachlover669]

Yeah... I watched the first season already and I'd rather shoot myself and go ti actual hell than try the second one.

>he will never experience the kino of viv using her command over a talented group of animators to mash blitzo and stolas together like barbie dolls for her own twisted amusement
i mean suit yourself but honestly your missing out big time, i mean cmon whats there to lose? dont you have some sunken cost within ye?

 

[Gladly]

Now that I think about it, Sera is honestly one of the worst characters in the entire series.

In her song with the Speaker of God, she confessed her guilt in allowing the exterminations to happen after learning that sinners could still be redeemed. Let's be realistic: Sera should have known long ago that she could have allowed the deaths of innocent, righteous, and moral people simply because Adam exists! If some bad people can go to Heaven, then it is just as logical to conclude that some good people can go to Hell. But she didn't care about this crucial piece of information at all because it could cast this already flawed system in a bad light. She only started to care when it affected her personally and she had living proof against her. All these years, she didn't give a damn. Sera is a complete moron! She's simultaneously the most intelligent and the dumbest character in the entire Vivzieverse. And I don't mean that in a Dr. Doofenschmerz kind of way. Why is she supposed to be sympathetic again?

 

[Strangolapreti]

>he will never experience the kino of a futoshi using her command over a talented group of animators to mash a character everyone but herself finds insufferable and troupe master stolas (original character do not steal) together like barbie dolls for her own twisted amusement.

Here, i made it better.

 

[GeorgeSmarty]

Imagine going back in time to tell people that one of the largest cartoon shows of the future is about Invader Zim with horns and Nightmare King Grimm having fujo romance drama.

You want a musician in hell, I'd make him a plagiarist whose love for music went far past his own (lackluster) talent.
Imagine a sommelier, but for music instead of wine, snotty and eccentric, who has done nothing but studying it for his whole life, and yet always lacked the creativity to compose, so guided by his own pride, who told him that its not enough to be recognized as just a good music director, (instert instrument here)-ist and teacher, but that he deserved more, like being treated as something more, so he started to exploit more gifted people in his classroom, taking tunes and accords written in their notebooks and repurposing them as songs for him to play, while at the same time gaslighting and guiding them against pursuing music more than merely playing instrument. An evil, bitter and jealous man that was didn't hesitate to pull down young, natural talent in order to push himself above, but regardless of everything, he still loved music to an obsessive degree and in the end, even in death he regrets nothing.

That's pretty good concept for a backstory, especially since it makes him a huge asshole without just murdering people.

Speaking about backstories for overlords, an idea that I had for the dinosaur club members would be that they could have been members of a gang with a dinosaur theme/name in life that sold drugs at clubs, parties and festivals etc.

Zeezi's neon colors could be a reference to psychedelic drug trips and her ability to change her size at will (if that's not just an animation error) could be a nod towards psychedelic mushrooms that can make you feel larger or smaller.

In fact the cause of her death could be a drug trip where she hallucinated turning gigantic and fell of a roof. (Atleast as a funny HLM2 reference.)

 

[Talmudic Ketamine]

In fact the cause of her death could be a drug trip where she hallucinated turning gigantic and fell of a roof. (Atleast as a funny HLM2 reference.)

I doubt Vivz is cultured enough to know Hotline Miami but who knows.
Also the mental image of Zeezi pulling the Son's face and screeching about getting a grip is killing me.

 

[GeorgeSmarty]

You could it actually make it so that all the gang members pumped themselves full of drugs and then killed each other while hallucinating that they are turning into actual dinosaurs and the last one jumped off a roof.

Their different demon forms could actually be references to different drug effects.

Also since Zeezi seems scatteebrained with for example forgetting that the overlord meeting already started you could recontextulize that she is just always stoned.

Though if I have more time I might actually make sketches for overlord backstories including a nod to HLM2 apocalypse.

 

[sixuglymidgets]

For Vox I would’ve made him a con man who saw tv and religion as a way to get rich but eventually believed his own lies

 

[Strangolapreti]

For Vox I would’ve made him a con man who saw tv and religion as a way to get rich but eventually believed his own lies

Uuuh...
A cult leader who had people scammed, removed from their family to be put in colonies and work while deprived of wealth, electronics and medicine.
While his followers worked themselves like slaves, prayed his made-up bullshit, and practiced a vow of chasity, he would instead spend nost of the day time drinking, taking drugs, fucking the many wives from the cult (some weren't even adult) and, in his private chamber, watch tv both for passion and also in order to imitate actors, politicians, showrunners and other celebrities alike, learning their mannerisms and charisma to then recycle during his bullshit seromons.
He never got true comeuppances in death, he simply had a stroke one night, after mixing alcohol and drugs, and the morning after, he was already replaced by his second-in-command. His body tossed into a dump site like the trash he was.
Again, not a murderer, but arguably something worse, a self-centred asshole that ruined the life of dozen, if not hundreds other people, a competent argument for "religion bad" and something everyone knows and hates to a (deservedly) absolute degree.

 

[peachlover669]

Here, i made it better.

see this just shows how uninformed you are, the fact you think blitzo is more annoying than stolas tells me that you don't really know what your talking about. i recommend watching all of season 2 so that you can adequately be annoyed at viv.

 

[Strangolapreti]

see this just shows how uninformed you are, the fact you think blitzo is more annoying than stolas tells me that you don't really know what your talking about. i recommend watching all of season 2 so that you can adequately be annoyed at viv.

Do you really think I don't find stolas to be even more insufferable than blitzo just because I only mentioned that he's a rip-off character?
You don't need to taste the turd to know you've been served shit.

 

[GeorgeSmarty]

Viv really just mashed these to together.


Also talking about demon designs I really think Bloodstained (you know the knockoff Castlevania made by the og creator of the series) is a better adaption of the Ars Goetia since it actually uses their designs interestingly.

For example Bathin is described as a serpent tailed demon that can transport people across countries in grimoires,
in Bloodstained he shows up as a boss enemy that can travel at hyper speeds by turning into light and can spit laser beams with his tail.


Hellaverse doesn't even explains if their version of Baal/Belzebub is the first King in the list of the of the Ars Goetia, hell I don't even know for sure if Viv knows that Belzebub is in there in the first place.


Bloodstained actually has him properly as a supreme demon king and uses a modified version of his popular depiction with three heads that appears as a giant karmic death wheel made from snake bodies that literally makes up the center of hell and is also the entire arena itself in which his boss fight happens, which is probably still one of the most creative video game enemy designs that I have ever seen.


He even has his own orchestral theme called king of kings as a nod to basically being the antichrist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls7ovHzIEbI

Especially since this was the version of Bael as lovecraftian abomination I grew up with I was hyped to see how he and the other sins would look like in the show when they were first teased.

And then it was just, "... oh wait, that random furry oc actually was Beelzebub all along?"

(Also Bloodstained gets bonus points for actually calling them the 72 demons of Solomon and not the Ars Goetia, I mean that is just the title of the book, come on man.)

 

[Realistic]

The Loud House means a lot to me and i am not obligated to explain it to you, or even waste my time explaining the goodness and themes packed in the 10 seasons well season 11 just came out so ..I guess.. 11..

I've seen a lot of autistic people talk about The Loud House as if it is the holy grail. I'm curious as to how that show, despite the huge variety of animation, is the favorite show for a majority of autistic people?

 

[Dave.]

 

[A Very Big Fish]

So what exactly did he do to go to hell?

Played a tritone.

"Mi contra Fa est diabolus in musica"