Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Chilson]

@OmnipotentStupidity
The Sam tweet is interesting though because she actually ended up retracting that because some friends of her pointed out that Viv is "not great" as a person. That's part of the reason I'm saying don't hold your breath on the series coming to a network, because if too much of the crowd she would have to work with decide they don't like her, she won't get it. Viv also apparently raised funding specifically for an animated pilot called Allison that she also dropped, even after raising the funding for it. So that's two projects she was securing funding for or getting bigger producers involved in that she hasn't actually delivered on. If it comes to a network, great, but this is why I'm still on the fence.

Does Viv suck ass as a person? Probably.
Does it matter in regards to Hazbin getting made? No.

The show is already green lit and has an official announcement of being green lit by the company that is producing it, which is way more important than the green light itself for obvious reasons. This is not some one off animated pilot owned by a single animator with the slim hope of getting a major studio behind it, IT ALREADY HAS THE STUDIO!!

Is there a chance this thing gets stuck in production hell? Yes, only because there is always a chance with every entertainment production. Its incredibly unlikely though as Viv has already demonstrated a lot more commitment to this project and produced other content of comparable quality related to the Hazbin IP. Even if this thing falls into production hell and Viv dives out of the project, we will eventually see it come out because A24 is going to finish this thing come hell or high water to recoup on the investment.

 

[anonymousmouse92]

Any other pilot would be independently created, though, that's what I'm trying to say. Pilots are made independently, by other artists who have no prior experience as well. It's not that big of a leap, that's all I'm trying to say. It did also have a huge budget, considering that Vivzie had anywhere from 4k to 7k patreons during the production. Yandere Simulator has a budget because YanDev has a patreon where people pay him for the project. Vivzie had the same thing, and it has been in production for roughly two years, so two years of about 5k patrons a month who are probably giving around $5-$10 per person, that's a big budget. I'm not saying it didn't get done, I'm just saying I find the standard where one or a small group of people make something on their own to pitch to a studio even without the fanbase much more impressive getting accepted than somebody who has had the advantage of budget and renown. I'm not saying it isn't an accomplishment, my whole point is that it isn't anything revolutionary.
Allison never got made as a pilot because she dropped it after she secured the funding. A studio had nothing to do with that one. A publisher wanted to invest in publishing her comic, but she dropped that. Allison was the pilot she wanted to work on before deciding to work on Hazbin, where she raised money specifically for it via commissions dedicated to it, and then decided to drop on it because it was "too difficult" to make. She never finished her work on it, she never moved past pre production, that's why I mentioned it.

A24 is not a network either, they would need to work with the person they're willing to produce to secure a network before anything actually begins. There's a category of pilots specifically called unsold pilots because companies will stand behind them but no networks pick them up. A24 is connected to a lot of networks so that's a good sign, but those networks have to sign on to air the show before anybody is going to see anything.
All I have been saying is that I'm not holding my breath on it, that I think it can't be certain because of other issues. I think there's confusion as to what A24 is actually doing, because they aren't a network and they need to pitch the show to a network still before they can even begin considering production on it. I don't know why that makes everybody here so mad. I'm just expressing my own take.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Any other pilot would be independently created, though, that's what I'm trying to say. Pilots are made independently, by other artists who have no prior experience as well. It's not that big of a leap, that's all I'm trying to say. It did also have a huge budget, considering that Vivzie had anywhere from 4k to 7k patreons during the production. Yandere Simulator has a budget because YanDev has a patreon where people pay him for the project. Vivzie had the same thing, and it has been in production for roughly two years, so two years of about 5k patrons a month who are probably giving around $5-$10 per person, that's a big budget. I'm not saying it didn't get done, I'm just saying I find the standard where one or a small group of people make something on their own to pitch to a studio even without the fanbase much more impressive getting accepted than somebody who has had the advantage of budget and renown. I'm not saying it isn't an accomplishment, my whole point is that it isn't anything revolutionary.
Allison never got made as a pilot because she dropped it after she secured the funding. A studio had nothing to do with that one. A publisher wanted to invest in publishing her comic, but she dropped that. Allison was the pilot she wanted to work on before deciding to work on Hazbin, where she raised money specifically for it via commissions dedicated to it, and then decided to drop on it because it was "too difficult" to make. She never finished her work on it, she never moved past pre production, that's why I mentioned it.

A24 is not a network either, they would need to work with the person they're willing to produce to secure a network before anything actually begins. There's a category of pilots specifically called unsold pilots because companies will stand behind them but no networks pick them up. A24 is connected to a lot of networks so that's a good sign, but those networks have to sign on to air the show before anybody is going to see anything.
All I have been saying is that I'm not holding my breath on it, that I think it can't be certain because of other issues. I think there's confusion as to what A24 is actually doing, because they aren't a network and they need to pitch the show to a network still before they can even begin considering production on it. I don't know why that makes everybody here so mad. I'm just expressing my own take.

Okay, here’s the issue people are having with you. You joined the forum specifically to post in this thread and this thread alone. Every post you’ve made has, in some form or fashion, been about belittling the show’s success or talking about how Viz is bad and shouldn’t be praised for her work because she had more money than others for it.

So your claims of not being biased or anything kinda ring hollow when it appears you only came here to get people to shit on the creator or the show.

EDIT: Also, throwing money at a thing doesn’t immediately mean the thing is going to become successful and be loved/popular. You can look at that anime Jaiden Smith made for that. Or Will Smith trying to make Jaiden a popular movie star with After Earth. Or really just Jaiden Smith.

Things are popular because of how well something is written or if characters have full and developed personalities.

 

[Private Pyle]

Any other pilot would be independently created, though, that's what I'm trying to say. Pilots are made independently, by other artists who have no prior experience as well. It's not that big of a leap, that's all I'm trying to say. It did also have a huge budget, considering that Vivzie had anywhere from 4k to 7k patreons during the production. Yandere Simulator has a budget because YanDev has a patreon where people pay him for the project. Vivzie had the same thing, and it has been in production for roughly two years, so two years of about 5k patrons a month who are probably giving around $5-$10 per person, that's a big budget. I'm not saying it didn't get done, I'm just saying I find the standard where one or a small group of people make something on their own to pitch to a studio even without the fanbase much more impressive getting accepted than somebody who has had the advantage of budget and renown. I'm not saying it isn't an accomplishment, my whole point is that it isn't anything revolutionary.
Allison never got made as a pilot because she dropped it after she secured the funding. A studio had nothing to do with that one. A publisher wanted to invest in publishing her comic, but she dropped that. Allison was the pilot she wanted to work on before deciding to work on Hazbin, where she raised money specifically for it via commissions dedicated to it, and then decided to drop on it because it was "too difficult" to make. She never finished her work on it, she never moved past pre production, that's why I mentioned it.

A24 is not a network either, they would need to work with the person they're willing to produce to secure a network before anything actually begins. There's a category of pilots specifically called unsold pilots because companies will stand behind them but no networks pick them up. A24 is connected to a lot of networks so that's a good sign, but those networks have to sign on to air the show before anybody is going to see anything.
All I have been saying is that I'm not holding my breath on it, that I think it can't be certain because of other issues. I think there's confusion as to what A24 is actually doing, because they aren't a network and they need to pitch the show to a network still before they can even begin considering production on it. I don't know why that makes everybody here so mad. I'm just expressing my own take.

I think your odd YanDev comparisons, you’re conveniently leaving out a couple of things; Viv had to raise the money herself from scratch twice after getting scammed. That’s simply impressive but here’s how it normally goes with corporations; you have to pitch the idea to a network then they’ll fund a pilot and commission a series based on the reaction. Otherwise they keep the pilot and nothing is done with it.
To summarize, she managed to make a pilot with TV quality animation with a fairly green team without any assistance from a big name corporation. Said pilot managed to get picked by an indie company on it’s own merits, again without big corporations butting in. Nothing like this has been attempted at this scale and if it continues, this could lead to very good things for western animation.

Okay, here’s the issue people are having with you. You joined the forum specifically to post in this thread and this thread alone. Every post you’ve made has, in some form or fashion, been about belittling the show’s success or talking about how Viz is bad and shouldn’t be praised for her work because she had more money than others for it.

So your claims of not being biased or anything kinda ring hollow when it appears you only came here to get people to shit on the creator or the show.

EDIT: Also, throwing money at a thing doesn’t immediately mean the thing is going to become successful and be loved/popular. You can look at that anime Jaiden Smith made for that. Or Will Smith trying to make Jaiden a popular movie star with After Earth. Or really just Jaiden Smith.

Things are popular because of how well something is written or if characters have full and developed personalities.

To echo Omnipotent’s earlier statement, this guy also admitted to interacting with a cow personally before joining the farms. Combining with everything you said, his claims ring more and more hollow.
Personally I like how we’ve been replying to him calmly yet he still goes “I don’t know why that makes everybody here so mad. I’m just expressing my own take.”

 

[Racist Trash]

Ashley tweeted this the same day that the green light announcement got released. Kinda makes me wonder how many people who worked on the pilot are actually coming to work on the full series.

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I assume she is talking more about the fact that since the pilot released she hasn't done anything related to the pitching process, if I remember right she was a cleanup artist?

 

[Ascendancy0]

"it's racist cuz she's racist lol" ...i think? idk
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https://twitter.com/floreawe_/status/1291800985862635521

Someone on twitter: Wow! A24 is investing in cartoons! Neat!
This cunt: i'm sorry but. this show is made and enjoyed by LITERAL racist nazis not to mention that it's not only an adult show but an edgy one so like. yikes sis google is free sksskk

What a bitch.

 

[off meds / online]

i really don't care about any of the viv shit, i just think it's a terminally unfunny show that reminds me too much of the scene era

 

[samuraicrack]

i really don't care about any of the viv shit, i just think it's a terminally unfunny show that reminds me too much of the scene era

I like the official content that Vivzie puts out but Hunicast is fucking insufferable.

 

[Private Pyle]

i really don't care about any of the viv shit, i just think it's a terminally unfunny show that reminds me too much of the scene era

Fair enough, the humor is a work in progress and scene is a dark age of aesthetic few would want to remember.
To play devil’s advocate, I can also understand why this would appeal to people; it’s nostalgic, for better or for worse, while also being a unique look for this era. In fact, other cartoons seem to be throwbacks to the 2000s style; Villainous has that DevinatArt OC style while Satina reminds me of Newgrounds shorts.

 

[off meds / online]

Fair enough, the humor is a work in progress and scene is a dark age of aesthetic few would want to remember.
To play devil’s advocate, I can also understand why this would appeal to people; it’s nostalgic, for better or for worse, while also being a unique look for this era. In fact, other cartoons seem to be throwbacks to the 2000s style; Villainous has that DevinatArt OC style while Satina reminds me of Newgrounds shorts.

I can see how that would appeal to people, but honestly it just isn't my cup of tea.

I saw people upthread talking about how HH is in an unpopular artstyle, and I can't say I agree. It was extremely popular back in the day, particularly when Viv was first emerging as an online artist. It just feels like she's stuck in that scene "le random narwhal/lol edgy funni" to me, both artistically and comedically. I don't agree with saying she is breaking any particular molds when it's very obviously aping trends from the past.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't agree with saying she is breaking any particular molds when it's very obviously aping trends from the past.

The present is such utter shit that going back about 10 years and having a redo is better.

 

[off meds / online]

The present is such utter shit that going back about 10 years and having a redo is better.

not when the past is gaiaonline level humor

 

[Private Pyle]

not when the past is gaiaonline level humor

The humor is shit I agree. But to be fair, even up thread they were calling it devinatArt inspired; it’s groundbreaking in comparison to what’s out right now.

I really do hope HH doesn’t go anywhere though.

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

I can see how that would appeal to people, but honestly it just isn't my cup of tea.

I saw people upthread talking about how HH is in an unpopular artstyle, and I can't say I agree. It was extremely popular back in the day, particularly when Viv was first emerging as an online artist. It just feels like she's stuck in that scene "le random narwhal/lol edgy funni" to me, both artistically and comedically.

To add to this, again: it was also a case of “right place at the right time”. Had this show been pitched, like, 15 some-ought years ago, it probably wouldn’t have gotten picked up. Either due to the artstyle and how stilted yet frantic and busy it was, or because this show didn’t fit the mold of other adult cartoons at the time (Hell it’s still somewhat true for TV now to an extent) and was too much of a risk going for a more “cartoon-y” show and premise.

But combine the power of streaming services allowing for more freedom in capturing a broader audience, studios more willing to take risks on a still burgeoning medium, and everyone getting fucking sick of bean mouths (mostly the last one), and you got a recipe for success for Hazbin getting picked up.

 

[Spergenschütz]

sorry, I'm late.
So Viv's biggest hater is Nicole the rootbeergoddess? She's a lost cause then.

Edit: yep I checked, that's her.
what she looks like
also her
This is what happens when you're in your 30s and still on tumblr bullying kids over disney shit.

Edit2: She's an old "acquaintance" of mine. Since she won't stop being a cunt here's some fun facts about her:
- she's black or mixed but her adopted parents are white. She's actually privileged af yet keeps whining about racism and how oppressed she is.
- claims to be mentally ill and that's why she can't work. Considering how often she posts on tumblr, she probably still haven't found a job
- had a boyfriend who was a cop. I dunno if they're still together considering the recent drama.
- I don't remember exactly how old she is but she must be around 32-34.
- she doesn't have any talents but she was friends with popular artists which is why she had so many followers. She's basically a professional tumblr leech.
- started a patreon thinking her 10k tumblr followers would actually pay her. She was getting about $5/month.
- remember the artist from Steven Universe fandom who got bullied to suicide? She was involved.

Sorry, I was honestly surprised seeing her pop up here. When I left tumblr years ago I genuinely wished her well because I don't think anybody deserves to be that miserable. But here we are and she hasn't change one bit. I almost feel sorry for her but the fact she's going after a woman younger than her who actually worked her ass off to make something of herself is absolutely sad and pathetic.

I honestly feel stupid for not connecting Nicole with rootbeergoddess earlier. I’m vaguely familiar with her to an extent; she was often a shit stirrer on social media and she indeed rolled with SU Critical. Last I saw of her personally, she was shit talking Johnny Depp even after his abuse was shown.

Knowing that she’s in her 30s, training to be a teacher and technically a published author yet still does this shit...that’s too pathetic to even laugh at.

What-the-hazbin/Rootbeergoddess has admitted she is 31-years-old, has autism, ADHD and does loads more embarrassing stuff.

Twitter

And as a bonus, we have yet another hater. The stuff Viv drew were confirmed to be joke doodles (and were barely anything at all) and for some fucking stupid reason, these people can never comprehend the fact Addison is 18 years old. While from what I've heard, the Eds (kids, not 18-year-olds) were literally having sex and what Rebecca drew is more explicit than what Viv drew.

Bonus: https://twitter.com/ThePumpkinMan2/status/1291892507794702337

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

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What-the-hazbin/Rootbeergoddess has admitted she is 31-years-old, has autism, ADHD and does loads more embarrassing stuff.

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And as a bonus, we have yet another hater. The stuff Viv drew were confirmed to be joke doodles (and were barely anything at all) and for some fucking stupid reason, these people can never comprehend the fact Addison is 18 years old. While from what I've heard, the Eds (kids, not 18-year-olds) were literally having sex and what Rebecca drew is more explicit than what Viv drew.

Bonus: https://twitter.com/ThePumpkinMan2/status/1291892507794702337

"I don't think I've seen someone so bratty and rude since Onision."

...She does realize Onision neglects his child, is abusive to his wives, and completely destroyed a wetland ecosystem, right?

Somehow I don't think Vivziepop has done anything remotely as bad or as "bratty" as good ol' Onion Boy has.

 

[Baron Vain]

"I don't think I've seen someone so bratty and rude since Onision."

...She does realize Onision neglects his child, is abusive to his wives, and completely destroyed a wetland ecosystem, right?

Somehow I don't think Vivziepop has done anything remotely as bad or as "bratty" as good ol' Onion Boy has.

Since a Ren and Stimpy reboot has been announced at the same time, I've seen people compare her to John K.

How is an actual pedophile comparable to a person who drew weird edgy stuff when they were younger?

 

[Xerxes IX]

Since a Ren and Stimpy reboot has been announced at the same time, I've seen people compare her to John K.

How is an actual pedophile comparable to a person who drew weird edgy stuff when they were younger?

They think what she drew makes her comparable to actual pedophiles. In theory they're saying we should treat drawings as seriously as IRL acts of pedophilia, in practice they're cheapening actual pedophilia by making it just another thing you can "cancel" someone over.

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

They think what she drew makes her comparable to actual pedophiles. In theory they're saying we should treat drawings as seriously as IRL acts of pedophilia, in practice they're cheapening actual pedophilia by making it just another thing you can "cancel" someone over.

Cancel someone they don't like or feel good about supporting that day.

Reminder again for like the thousandth time in this thread that Rebecca Sugar drew Ed, Edd, n' Eddy yaoi and yet nobody who liked the show cried foul over that, and actively tried to ignore it. Myself included. Because I don't really care what the hell anyone draws when they were 14. The networks know this stuff is bound to happen; it's why (bear in mind, this was an anectode from a former Disney creator from a podcast so take this with a grain of salt) whenever a show gets greenlit by a studio like Disney, they will actively show the person a picture of Kim Possible porn, state that this is what is going to happen to your show whether you want it to or not and you cannot say anything about it, and they'll ask if you still feel comfortable with proceeding with the show's creation.

They understand that shit doesn't have any bearing in the age of the Internet and just bear with it. Because who knows? Maybe that edgy 13-year-old artist that drew Invader Zim futa could grow up to make the next SpongeBob.

So long as the show is decent and you're not doing that shit anymore as an adult, I will gladly turn the other cheek, and many execs will too apparently.

 

[Kurtis Trent]

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What-the-hazbin/Rootbeergoddess has admitted she is 31-years-old, has autism, ADHD and does loads more embarrassing stuff.

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And as a bonus, we have yet another hater. The stuff Viv drew were confirmed to be joke doodles (and were barely anything at all) and for some fucking stupid reason, these people can never comprehend the fact Addison is 18 years old. While from what I've heard, the Eds (kids, not 18-year-olds) were literally having sex and what Rebecca drew is more explicit than what Viv drew.

Bonus: https://twitter.com/ThePumpkinMan2/status/1291892507794702337

ah, so she went full retard. Not sure what's the point since everybody on tumblr is mentally ill anyway. She's been using that excuse for years, it's honestly boring at this point.
So either Viv is her new special interest victim or she just wants to destroy her out of sheer pettiness. Whatever... I'm done with that bitch anyway (seeing her getting owned on twitter was very cathartic tho, not gonna lie, thank you for bringing this to my attention).