HBO’s Watchmen - NOTHING EVER ENDS...Except When It Should

SkeletonBias420 said:
They're going to reeee about Trump/Russia and how evil red state Rethuglikkkans are mean to migrants. You know that's what it will be.

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In other words:

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The comic arguably features no lead female characters and definitely no black women.
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So are we just supposed to forget about Laurie? Someone whose childhood and psychology was analyzed for an entire issue of the comic?

Also there was a black woman, she was the wife of Malcolm Long, Rorschach's therapist. So it wasn't "definitely no black women." Or did you mean that there was no black woman as one of the leads? Because the wording is confusing.

I doubt the person writing this actually read the comic.
 
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friedshrimp said:
Whyyyyy Watchmen of all things needs to be fucking "woked".
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“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

Welcome to our new living hell.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

Welcome to our new living hell.
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That's the dnc mission statement, right?
 
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BlastDoors41 said:
I am also going to add that Adrian Veidt was not a gay man. That was a paranoia minded thought Rorschach had about him.
I hated that about the movie and the actor they got to play him allowed that to inform his performance. I couldn’t unsee it.

I’m sure the woke crowd will run with it.
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They will make him a good guy, an sjw/ally and the thing that unite the world is Trump/Putin/The Patriachy
 
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The thing is, Veidt never thought he was a villain. He thought he was a hero doing whatever he could to save humanity. The point was he basically went mad because he got too caught up in his quest. Again, Veidt and the pirate ship story. He's the guy who was driven insane. Veidt isn't a sociopath, he's insane. He has lost the plot completely and can no longer comprehend the 'good'. In a sense, he's the villain because he believes himself to be a hero.

The end of Watchmen, everyone basically fucking hates him. They go along with his plan because they don't have a goddamn choice, not that they agree with it. Everyone is already dead and to reveal the truth might make things even worse. Rorschach is an absolutist and cannot abide by it. Its so good because you see the contrast between Veidt and Rorschach. You have someone who uses subterfuge and the 'ends justify the means', compared to Rorschach who knows the brutality of the world and believes the truth should be exposed.

Watchmen is brilliant on so many levels. Alan Moore might be crazy, but the way he broke down the hero genre is fucking beautiful. The thing with this is that reading interviews, they fundamentally misunderstand why it was so brilliant for what it was. I still think it is completely untranslatable to other mediums. Zach Snyder fucked up the plot. Still, it was the closest I think that could ever be gotten. The intro is amazing.

This is just an idiotic cash grab at the superhero genre. Watchmen was a story in and of itself. It didn't need a sequel. It came full circle and left the consequences to the reader. This is obviously just pretentious garbage masquerading as a show.
 
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StarkRavingMad said:
I think that Alan Moore was right that he intentionally wrote Watchmen to be "unfilmable."

Because, here's the thing: The Giant Squid at the end is an awesome ending to the comic book. Throughout the entire 12 issues, we got this dark and gritty deconstruction of superheroes. These were "heroes" that were washed up, pathetic, and crazy while the threat of nuclear war (a very REAL fear back in the 80's) was looming over everyone. The world that Watchmen had set up was very grounded in reality. The Squid is a giant subversion of what we had been reading in the previous issues.

Veidt literally called the Giant Squid "The World's Biggest Practical Joke." Humanity is so paranoid and crazy that of course it would take a giant squid monster to shake sanity into people to avoid nuclear destruction. For me, it's genius storytelling.

Framing Doctor Manhattan misses the point of the graphic novel. Veidt created the squid because he thought that humanity would only get along under the circumstances of a common enemy. That common enemy would be something other worldly or alien in order for the ENTIRE planet to get along. Manhattan is an American creation. Both the graphic novel AND the movie emphasize this. If Manhattan killed millions of people, I don't think it would bring about world peace. It would have the entire planet blaming America for creating the monster/god, thus giving Russia a reason to wipe the country off the map via nuclear weapons (which is what Veidt wanted to avoid).

Yeah, sorry, the movie's ending sucks dick, and I hate it. Zack Snyder kept selling this movie as "edgy" and "unique." Bullshit. If this movie had balls, it would have stuck with the original ending.

Ah, 10 years later, and I'm still pathetically salty about it, apparently.
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Eh, to be honest, the film's ending worked for me. I think the fact Manhattan bombed NYC as well was the reason the Russians wouldn't blame us either.

The first time I saw the squid plotline, I was very confused. It took quite a few more times through to really understand it. I felt blaming Manhattan (forcing his exile too) did work on a narrative level to streamline it. It was the best way to change it.

The only thing, I feel, that didn't make sense with removing the squid was the Comedian's breakdown early on. Wasn't it directly caused by him witnessing the people working on it? If that didn't happen in the movie, it's like... what did he actually see and is freaking out over? That part still makes almost no sense.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
The thing is, Veidt never thought he was a villain. He thought he was a hero doing whatever he could to save humanity. The point was he basically went mad because he got too caught up in his quest. Again, Veidt and the pirate ship story. He's the guy who was driven insane. Veidt isn't a sociopath, he's insane. He has lost the plot completely and can no longer comprehend the 'good'. In a sense, he's the villain because he believes himself to be a hero.

The end of Watchmen, everyone basically fucking hates him. They go along with his plan because they don't have a goddamn choice, not that they agree with it. Everyone is already dead and to reveal the truth might make things even worse. Rorschach is an absolutist and cannot abide by it. Its so good because you see the contrast between Veidt and Rorschach. You have someone who uses subterfuge and the 'ends justify the means', compared to Rorschach who knows the brutality of the world and believes the truth should be exposed.

Watchmen is brilliant on so many levels. Alan Moore might be crazy, but the way he broke down the hero genre is fucking beautiful. The thing with this is that reading interviews, they fundamentally misunderstand why it was so brilliant for what it was. I still think it is completely untranslatable to other mediums. Zach Snyder fucked up the plot. Still, it was the closest I think that could ever be gotten. The intro is amazing.

This is just an idiotic cash grab at the superhero genre. Watchmen was a story in and of itself. It didn't need a sequel. It came full circle and left the consequences to the reader. This is obviously just pretentious garbage masquerading as a show.
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Yeah but do you think they will get Veidt right? I was just trying to imagine what they might change him to (they could also make Veidt into a trump like figure) and what they would use as the threat to stop nuclear armageddon
 
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Ruin said:
I don't get it either they clearly have the rights or else they couldn't make the show so why not use the iconic Watchmen logo?
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I assume it's so this production gets the money from the shit they sell with this logo, but I just don't get what the fuck it's supposed to be. Maybe the Comedian has an ascii O_O face on his button and it's zoomed in?
 
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XYZpdq said:
Maybe Rorschach is now really a black woman.
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So.. I get that was a joke, but you're actually half right... This is canon in the current DC narrative. (It's not technically a recast though, this is Rorschach II, in the same vein as Nite Owl II and Silk Specter II... sort of...)
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