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He-Man: "Its not about us!"
Me: Got that right.
Me: Got that right.
He Man Reboot Announced
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Season 2 of the CGI series is still solid, though if you didn't like the goofiness of the first season; it's ramped up to eleven here even if it does have a serious climax. Like, we have an 'action' sequence revolving around Skeletor and He-Man having to play nice and slow dance with suicidal robots in order to avoid them self-destructing as they try to 'twirl' to the artefact they're trying to obtain.
I thought it was significant downgrade. I actually liked the silly dance, but everything else was so fucking rushed that it felt like the show strapped rocket boosters to its pacing.
They also really needed to spend WAY more time to develop the last minute heel turn.
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The heel turn was super super rushed and completely unearned.
The rest of the show was still fun with a nice balance of comedy and action.
But that last episode was really dumb.
The rest of the show was still fun with a nice balance of comedy and action.
But that last episode was really dumb.
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What, you didn't like "We're so close we're practically siblings... But I overheard you say you don't think I should be appointed this one job, so I'm going to join the villain who's trying to destroy the world and is known for being untrustworthy instead of hearing the rest of the conversation or confronting you about what you said."?
I also didn't really get the part where she's acting like her gem being powered by havoc somehow makes her destined for evil. It's an energy source, not a genetic trait.
Miang
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Mark Hamill already blabbed about this last month, but I'll have to eat my hat, because we're back for Season 2.
Is it fitting or just weird that the first three comments are from two pornbots and #BringBackFisto?
Is it fitting or just weird that the first three comments are from two pornbots and #BringBackFisto?
Can't fucking wait to see how they fumble with the property this time.
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It's like Netflix is trying to end it all quickly, rather than suffer a long, agonising death.
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And here I thought Netflix was actually trying to get their shit together…
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how sad is it the only good thing to come out of wither he man or his sister in years is the new anniversary figures? I'm not gonna pretend like the original series was gold, It's a dated product of its time and shows its age, but compared to the new shows with all its bells and whistles. Fancy new animation can't save the shit tier writing either series has given us.
Miang
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Season 3 of the Fortnite He-Man dropped on Netflix last week or so, and it wraps up enough that you suspect the showrunners don't trust the likelihood of a Season 4. If there is a Season 4, though...
The "heel turn" from last season is resolved with the same poor pacing that it began with. Ugh. I don't think anyone will be comparing it to Zuko's redemption arc anytime soon, and the character's "struggle" comes off as more of a hormonal tantrum. But it makes up for it with a turn on the origin of King Grayskull a pleasant turn that I wasn't expecting, but which fits nicely with the show's take on what Power/Havok actually are, And as off-putting as the animation style is for a lot of people, I thought the final battle was actually really entertaining and more than a little crazy.
Michael Kramer should also get applause for the score, which has some great tunes for both heroes and villains.
The show was only picked up for 3 seasons, but then, so was Dragon Prince. If it ends here, I think it can hang its coat up as a pretty solid action cartoon with an AWESOME main villain that kept melodrama at arm's length, for better or worse.
tl;dr: could have been a little better, glad it's not worse, and I'd still rather watch its worst episode than ten of They-Ra's best.
Hordak shows up in the cliffhanger for the second time in a He-Man show, this time voiced by Kevin Conroy (yes, Batman) and with a casual Darth Vader reveal.
The "heel turn" from last season is resolved with the same poor pacing that it began with. Ugh. I don't think anyone will be comparing it to Zuko's redemption arc anytime soon, and the character's "struggle" comes off as more of a hormonal tantrum. But it makes up for it with a turn on the origin of King Grayskull a pleasant turn that I wasn't expecting, but which fits nicely with the show's take on what Power/Havok actually are, And as off-putting as the animation style is for a lot of people, I thought the final battle was actually really entertaining and more than a little crazy.
Michael Kramer should also get applause for the score, which has some great tunes for both heroes and villains.
The show was only picked up for 3 seasons, but then, so was Dragon Prince. If it ends here, I think it can hang its coat up as a pretty solid action cartoon with an AWESOME main villain that kept melodrama at arm's length, for better or worse.
tl;dr: could have been a little better, glad it's not worse, and I'd still rather watch its worst episode than ten of They-Ra's best.
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The CGI series was a pleasantly okay surprise.
It came in with low expectations from me and exceeded them.
The biggest highlight of the show for me was Skeletor. After seeing what Kevin Smith did to the character, I was disgusted, so it was nice to get this faithful version of the character that was both fun and a threat to the heroes.
It came in with low expectations from me and exceeded them.
The biggest highlight of the show for me was Skeletor. After seeing what Kevin Smith did to the character, I was disgusted, so it was nice to get this faithful version of the character that was both fun and a threat to the heroes.
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I really enjoy the CGI series, personally. Yeah, it’s got some pacing problems but the animation, voice work, and writing are pretty solid. One of my favorite things is how stuff like the dust and certain effects look 2D animated.
Also, they had one stupidly hilarious scene in S3 where Ork-0 has to undo a body swapping spell and accidentally changes the cast into their Revelation versions and Adam makes a crack about “feeling a little flat” or something.
I really hope it does get a season 4 though. I got the impression that the staff behind the show had more ambition for the story than they did episodes to tell it.
My personally favorite thing is how they show Evelyn / Evil-Lyn actually does care about Teela / Sorceress to some degree, but is in denial about it. Considering Teela was her apprentice for an unspecified amount of time, it makes sense she’d have some attachment to her, but she covers it up with the whole “I’m the only one allowed to kill you” bit.
The whole “I don’t even like bats!” thing from Evelyn was pretty damn funny too, considering her bat got his feelings hurt. Given the ending reveal, it makes sense why her spell was sentient all of a sudden.
Oh I also enjoyed how the villains thought to work together to combine their powers first while the heroes saw that and copied with they did. That was neat to me.
The whole “I don’t even like bats!” thing from Evelyn was pretty damn funny too, considering her bat got his feelings hurt. Given the ending reveal, it makes sense why her spell was sentient all of a sudden.
Oh I also enjoyed how the villains thought to work together to combine their powers first while the heroes saw that and copied with they did. That was neat to me.
Also, they had one stupidly hilarious scene in S3 where Ork-0 has to undo a body swapping spell and accidentally changes the cast into their Revelation versions and Adam makes a crack about “feeling a little flat” or something.
I really hope it does get a season 4 though. I got the impression that the staff behind the show had more ambition for the story than they did episodes to tell it.
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Also, credit to this show for managing to work in two versions of Orko and both of them are fun characters.
Wallace Shawn was a really good choice for the original Orko's voice!
Wallace Shawn was a really good choice for the original Orko's voice!
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As an update, the series has been confirmed not to be renewed for a Season 4 (Archive), but you would be right - they gave away the Season 4 details in the upcoming artbook for CGI he-Man.
Honestly, while the last couple seasons sputtered, this sounds like it would have been very cool. S4 would have had Hordak outright conquer Eternia with the Evil Horde being a full makeover of Hammer Horror freakshows, with Krass putting together a team of Backup Masters to resist the occupation while Adam and his friends (along with Skeletor wearing a Keldor guise, apparently) go on an adventure to Earth to find his astronaunt mom, Marlena, for answers as to how to beat Hordak, with Hordak's top enforcer, "Despera", chasing after them:
So a reference to the Earth sideplot in the Lundgren movie with some hijinks, some Masters characters we haven't seen in ages getting proper airtime, a properly menacing take on Hordak and his forces, and at least hinting at She-Ra's origins even if they can't use her by name. Enough that the kids it's aimed at would have found something to enjoy, but I think a lot of fans of the original would have loved to see this. (I'm actually still really new to Masters as a franchise and even I feel some hype reading about what they had planned.)
It would be sad if they never got to realize this, but it's not the first time that's happened to poor old He-Man.
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Honestly, any depiction of Adora as something other than a boring lesbian would've had me interested. Really stick it to Noelle and her crew of canon-defilers, as I see it.
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So a teaser for Season 2 of Netflix's Masters of the Universe, titled "Revolution" this time around, dropped about two weeks ago and no one is talking about it. Actually I didn't even know the teaser dropped until last night. That is not a good sign.
Yeah, Keith David as Hordak is cool. Meg Foster (who played Evil Lyn in the 1987 film) having a role is cool. Granamyr being in it is cool. And oh, look at that, He-Man is all over the teaser. Well by golly, this all looks great.
But yeah, fuck you, I'm not biting. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Maybe this can be like a Picard Season 3 where they put together something good against all odds, but I'm not counting on it, and I'm fully expecting He-Man to take a backseat to Teela and possibly She-Ra.
Also, the hell is up with that cyborg Skeletor design? That looks awful. Guys, you know you could have just used the New Adventures design, right? I mean you're trying to suck up to the fans again, and plopping that in there would have made some fans pop. The NA design does have cybernetic components to it, so it would have made sense.
Yeah, Keith David as Hordak is cool. Meg Foster (who played Evil Lyn in the 1987 film) having a role is cool. Granamyr being in it is cool. And oh, look at that, He-Man is all over the teaser. Well by golly, this all looks great.
But yeah, fuck you, I'm not biting. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Maybe this can be like a Picard Season 3 where they put together something good against all odds, but I'm not counting on it, and I'm fully expecting He-Man to take a backseat to Teela and possibly She-Ra.
Also, the hell is up with that cyborg Skeletor design? That looks awful. Guys, you know you could have just used the New Adventures design, right? I mean you're trying to suck up to the fans again, and plopping that in there would have made some fans pop. The NA design does have cybernetic components to it, so it would have made sense.
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Well, thanks for telling me, otherwise I wouldn't have known at all. I used to be finger-on-the-pulse when it came to this kind of nerd stuff but I have just grown so apathetic. It feels like announcing a new design for the test pattern.
"What good's a skilled actor if he can be ordered to behave like a moron?" - JC Denton, kinda.
The one where Skeletor was a bit more Joker-esque a villain? Nah, they'd never be that clever.
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They're really going all-in on the Horde being the Borg this time around, huh? Fifty bucks says Motherboard usurps Horde Prime before the dust settles because strong independent woman is being forced in the media again, and another fifty that the Slime Pit will be tweaked to house some kind of cyborg creating techno virus.
It's funny to see kevin smith bumble around like a retard on this show to push 2013-grade feminist propaganda while mattel very casually introduced Lady Slither in to the Origins toyline, elaborated that King Hiss is only the leader of the Eternian faction of the Snake-men and that there's several squads on other planets working for the Unnamed One, and then illustrated her threat level by having her attempt to decapitate him in her mini-comic debut. New villain is introduced, lore is elaborated upon, and the backstabbing nature of the snakes is underlined well enough for a child to understand, and its all done in a brief mini-comic.
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I hesitate to bump this because I fear it might lead to people watching this, but I recently watched the second half of the Kevin Smith He-Man (by which I mean what apparently came out in late 2021 and I never noticed). And my reaction could be best summarised as 'Nobody should give Netflix money, ever.'
I do want to post to give a slightly more detailed version of some of the things that are wrong with it, though, while it's fresh in my mind. Firstly, a kids show probably shouldn't have Evil-Lyn aggressively mounting Skeletor and talking about his penis. Or refer to He-Man as Teela's "boy toy". And a show for adults wouldn't have chunky 80's kids toys unironically be the sinister army or a dude with a giant clamp for a hand with the name "Clamp Champ" (or something) as a heroic defender.
Also a kid's show probably in general shouldn't have literal heaven and everybody's eternal souls snuffed out of existence by the villain. This show likes to dabble in mysticism which often I'm a fan of. A touch of Eternal Truth in the background can really elevate a story. But not if the writer doesn't understand these things. Case in point, in a vision / timeslip we're shown how God dies at the beginning of creation. Deep. Then later we're shown that God's death leads to rebirth and new life. Cool. Interesting metaphysics that I can enjoy. But at the same time the show tells us that one of the qualities that makes a hero is Sacrifice. Only Teela doesn't need to do that. She follows her mother's path to become the new sorceress but rejects her mother's words that to give oneself to the role one must give up one's personal life and attachments. Instead Teela declares that her attachments are what give her strength and gets the powers of the Sorceress anyway. In another story, the message could be "don't give up what is truly important when chasing dreams/power/whatever" and that would be okay but it simply doesn't work here. The message given out is that you don't need to sacrifice anything. Which flat out flies in the face of the whole theme of God sacrificing himself for new life and rebirth.
Also, in the final battle, the battle He-Man and Skeletor has almost doesn't matter. He likely saves some lives against Evil-Lyn's army but in almost no way does he actually help determine the final outcome. At best he provides a small distraction while Teela gets to where she needs to be and that's it. Everything else in his fight is rendered irrelevant by Teela's own battle.
And as to that battle? We return to the recurrent trope of "woman are always redeemed". Skeletor tried to conquer Eternia and kill He-Man. Evil-Lyn quite literally attempted to wipe out existence, did wipe out the afterlife, turned Beastman (who was clearly in love with her) into a literal monster and goodness knows what other misery. All because like a school-shooter, she couldn't see a point to life and therefore wanted to take out everybody else with her. But she is merely misunderstood and is redeemed by the power of hugs from Teela and it ends with all of them standing around in a friendly manner. Again, villain redemption is a story I can really get behind. But this is so obviously a pattern of "women are misunderstood and get redeemed, men do not". Evil-Lyn's entire story in the show is one of getting away without consequences. In the childhood flashbacks we see her meeting with Skeletor is quite overtly a moment where she has just been caught stealing and is about to face consequences when Skeletor rescues her. But she is the victim when she steals because the victims shown are three men who have money and she is a young woman and poor. For real, think about how Keven Smith would have written this if he'd wanted to appear bad - he would have made the people she stole from women and shown distress on the victim's part. Instead the victims are men and show glee that they've been stolen from as it gives them a chance to beat up a woman. The ways Smith slants things to fit with "Women are always redeemed" are everywhere and not that subtle. Skeletor is sent off to a horrible fate (mind-controlled by giant nude female robot) when he did far, far less.
The wrap-up with He-Man and Teela has Adam saying he's worried Teela doesn't need him and she reassures him that she will always need a champion. It feels like Kevin Smith writing that for himself. Men still matter - they will always have a role in supporting women. It's okay, guys! Meanwhile the show pretty much goes above and beyond to make it clear that men are tangential at best. That's not getting into all the smaller elements that support that like when an out of control He-Man is battling Skeletor and the two women say that they have to be stopped because their battle is causing so much collateral damage.
There are good elements. Good lines from some of the characters. Prince Adam is still portrayed as a genuinely good person and not (mostly) incompetent. Some of the way magic is visualised is cool - I like Skeletor making a big portal and a little portal and sticking his hand through the smaller one and it coming out huge from the other to punch He-Man. Some of the lore they show is good and if it weren't a little perverted for the Message then the mystical aspects would really elevate it. Also, either Mark Hamill managed to reign in his performance a little bit or the director made him do it a bit more low-key but his voicing of Skeletor is really good. Art is fine for the most part other than Teela has arms like Bane. Like - they're huge.
But really this is Netflix at some of its most Netflix. And Kevin Smith's final form.
I do want to post to give a slightly more detailed version of some of the things that are wrong with it, though, while it's fresh in my mind. Firstly, a kids show probably shouldn't have Evil-Lyn aggressively mounting Skeletor and talking about his penis. Or refer to He-Man as Teela's "boy toy". And a show for adults wouldn't have chunky 80's kids toys unironically be the sinister army or a dude with a giant clamp for a hand with the name "Clamp Champ" (or something) as a heroic defender.
Also a kid's show probably in general shouldn't have literal heaven and everybody's eternal souls snuffed out of existence by the villain. This show likes to dabble in mysticism which often I'm a fan of. A touch of Eternal Truth in the background can really elevate a story. But not if the writer doesn't understand these things. Case in point, in a vision / timeslip we're shown how God dies at the beginning of creation. Deep. Then later we're shown that God's death leads to rebirth and new life. Cool. Interesting metaphysics that I can enjoy. But at the same time the show tells us that one of the qualities that makes a hero is Sacrifice. Only Teela doesn't need to do that. She follows her mother's path to become the new sorceress but rejects her mother's words that to give oneself to the role one must give up one's personal life and attachments. Instead Teela declares that her attachments are what give her strength and gets the powers of the Sorceress anyway. In another story, the message could be "don't give up what is truly important when chasing dreams/power/whatever" and that would be okay but it simply doesn't work here. The message given out is that you don't need to sacrifice anything. Which flat out flies in the face of the whole theme of God sacrificing himself for new life and rebirth.
Also, in the final battle, the battle He-Man and Skeletor has almost doesn't matter. He likely saves some lives against Evil-Lyn's army but in almost no way does he actually help determine the final outcome. At best he provides a small distraction while Teela gets to where she needs to be and that's it. Everything else in his fight is rendered irrelevant by Teela's own battle.
And as to that battle? We return to the recurrent trope of "woman are always redeemed". Skeletor tried to conquer Eternia and kill He-Man. Evil-Lyn quite literally attempted to wipe out existence, did wipe out the afterlife, turned Beastman (who was clearly in love with her) into a literal monster and goodness knows what other misery. All because like a school-shooter, she couldn't see a point to life and therefore wanted to take out everybody else with her. But she is merely misunderstood and is redeemed by the power of hugs from Teela and it ends with all of them standing around in a friendly manner. Again, villain redemption is a story I can really get behind. But this is so obviously a pattern of "women are misunderstood and get redeemed, men do not". Evil-Lyn's entire story in the show is one of getting away without consequences. In the childhood flashbacks we see her meeting with Skeletor is quite overtly a moment where she has just been caught stealing and is about to face consequences when Skeletor rescues her. But she is the victim when she steals because the victims shown are three men who have money and she is a young woman and poor. For real, think about how Keven Smith would have written this if he'd wanted to appear bad - he would have made the people she stole from women and shown distress on the victim's part. Instead the victims are men and show glee that they've been stolen from as it gives them a chance to beat up a woman. The ways Smith slants things to fit with "Women are always redeemed" are everywhere and not that subtle. Skeletor is sent off to a horrible fate (mind-controlled by giant nude female robot) when he did far, far less.
The wrap-up with He-Man and Teela has Adam saying he's worried Teela doesn't need him and she reassures him that she will always need a champion. It feels like Kevin Smith writing that for himself. Men still matter - they will always have a role in supporting women. It's okay, guys! Meanwhile the show pretty much goes above and beyond to make it clear that men are tangential at best. That's not getting into all the smaller elements that support that like when an out of control He-Man is battling Skeletor and the two women say that they have to be stopped because their battle is causing so much collateral damage.
There are good elements. Good lines from some of the characters. Prince Adam is still portrayed as a genuinely good person and not (mostly) incompetent. Some of the way magic is visualised is cool - I like Skeletor making a big portal and a little portal and sticking his hand through the smaller one and it coming out huge from the other to punch He-Man. Some of the lore they show is good and if it weren't a little perverted for the Message then the mystical aspects would really elevate it. Also, either Mark Hamill managed to reign in his performance a little bit or the director made him do it a bit more low-key but his voicing of Skeletor is really good. Art is fine for the most part other than Teela has arms like Bane. Like - they're huge.
But really this is Netflix at some of its most Netflix. And Kevin Smith's final form.