Heart Progress - A den of pedos attaching themselves to LGTB issues.

[clowney]

I guess in my original post it did look like I was a pedo apologizer/pedo/whatever, but nah. Just someone that is interested in psychology. I just think pedophilia is a mental illness and should be treated as such (aka. pedos without a history of child harrasment should be put in mental facilities) but that does not automatically make them criminals. Should they actually do something to a child , burn them immediately.

TDLR: This guy strangely doesn't want us to be mad at pedophiles. HMMMMMM...

 

[Faint taste of butter]

TDLR: This guy strangely doesn't want us to be mad at pedophiles. HMMMMMM...

Where did I say that?
I said that pedophiles can' t be measured by normal standards because they are mentally ill(which doesn' t mean they shouldn' t get held accountable for what they do lol)
Also, I tried to be informative and came off as pedo, while I do not support pedophilia at all, I admit I posted some dumb shit here, which I should not have done, since it' s a sensitive topic. And that will be my last answer to this.
why do I feel like this won' t make shit better anyway. oh well

 

[guillotine]

Man, if you're in your twenties even 18-year olds come off as silly stupid kids that are still developing into proper human beings. How can people in their forties think "yeah, I wanna date those idiots"? And how can they take that a step further and go into ephebo/pedotown?

 

[DrJonesHat]

Man, if you're in your twenties even 18-year olds come off as silly stupid kids that are still developing into proper human beings. How can people in their forties think "yeah, I wanna date those idiots"? And how can they take that a step further and go into ephebo/pedotown?

Yeah, the brain doesn't finish developing until you're about 25. That's why teenagers and people in their early 20s are well known for being idiots. They're filled with hormones, and are literally missing part of their brains. The LGBT community is well aware of pedos trying to latch on them, and most mainstream groups go out of their way to run them off. If we were going strictly from a neurological standpoint, the age of majority and consent would be about 25, but good luck getting that passed.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

Man, if you're in your twenties even 18-year olds come off as silly stupid kids that are still developing into proper human beings. How can people in their forties think "yeah, I wanna date those idiots"? And how can they take that a step further and go into ephebo/pedotown?

The simple answer is they're creeps who get off to victimizing children.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

The simple answer is they're creeps who get off to victimizing children.

A lot of them are themselves mentally immature as well.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Let's throw the idea of consent out the window for a second. When you love someone and they love you back you form a mutually beneficial partnership that involves living together, sharing income, and often starting a family. How's a pedophilic relationship gonna do that? It's not love if you dump your partner after they turn 18, Christ.

 

[RI 360]

I decided to drop by for a content update, I noticed they deleted the article on Kokesh, which is such an obscure topic it was a dead giveaway for the site owner being associated with the ancap scene, whether he's a troll or not. And now here's this where he disavows ancaps and the right, but from go he was already using Lenin as an avatar. The whole post reads like they're getting more aggressive with the honeypot. I've bolded parts for easy skimming:

HEART PROGRESS FOUNDATION: A GROWING ERA OF TOLERANCE

I apologize for my persistent inactivity. I have been reevaluating many of my former actions as well as where my political philosophy lies. I have been in internal turmoil about what I have been witnessing in our world. I cannot say that I support the right anymore, nor can I count myself as an AnCap.

I’ve turned over a new leaf, per se. I feel that the world, all it’s problems, and solutions to those problems lie in embracing the left. The left has so much to offer the world. It’s given women the right to their bodies, fought for equality for them, and is continuing to counteract the power of that racist, bigoted, orange, and ignorantDonald J. Trump.

In my journey of embracing the left and joining groups of other like minded individuals, I stumbled upon a group known as Heart Progress Foundation. Heart Progress Foundation is a revolutionary new group that is seeking to spread awareness of the plight of pedosexuals. Founded by Ernst Steiner, himself an advocate for people with pedosexualality in 2016, it has gained much momentum and is growing daily in membership. Now, you probably are reeling back in disgust and saying something along the lines of “Pedophiles are disgusting POS!” I urge you to all remember that we here in the left accept everyone. Pedosexuals have been forced into the shadow and must practice their sexuality in secret, much like how homosexuals had to practice their sexuality in secret back in the day.

This is NOT Nazi Germany. We love, tolerant, and accept everyone. Heart Progress Foundation is doing an absolutely amazing job of spreading awareness, giving confidence and support to fellow pedosexuals, and is opening up the world’s eyes to the plight and persecution that pedophiles face in today’s world.

Much like the LGBT movements of the past, the pedosexual movement is beginning to take off and fight for it’s equality. We, the people, whether we are gay, bi, lesbian, straight, white, black, Latino, Asian, or pedosexual are part of the new era of acceptance and tolerance. WE will be the ones who will push the pedosexual movement forward. I dream, that some day, my children will be able to walk hand in hand with people who are pedosexuals. I dream of a world where pedosexuals will be able to practice their sexuality in public and for people to accept them.

I urge you to join Heart Progress Foundation here. Show the alt right and all the other regressives that we will not allow them to continue persecuting pedosexuals. Let us make this dream a reality.
Thank you!

This one is terrifying.
”CHILDREN CAN’T CONSENT” INVALID ARGUMENT

There is no feature to sexual activity that makes it importantly different from all the other things children are brought to be involved in by their parents and caretakers. They don’t need to consent to anything else their parents have them do, and so you’re unjustified in your belief that children can’t have sex for the reason that they can’t consent to it. It’s a wrong belief anyway because of course children can consent to sex. Consent just means to express a willingness to be involved in whatever one is brought to be involved in. There is no stage during human development when that isn’t possible. It’s practically a young child’s job to let you know if they don’t like something.

Sexual activity isn’t some kind of complicated social contract that requires deliberation or special knowledge of any kind. The dumbest of wild beasts have sex. Having an orgasm does not require special knowledge. The belief that children can’t consent to sex for lack of an ability to make an informed decision is one of the most schizophrenic things a person could possibly believe when compared to other things children are allowed and even expected to do. Since when has a lack of understanding been a moral barrier to being educated about something? If a child doesn’t understand calculus, is it immoral to teach them math? If a child is not sophisticated enough to engage in the polemics of politics, should they be guarded from watching a political debate like how they’re guarded from viewing pornography? If a child cannot understand complex theological arguments, should they not be permitted to partake in religious practices? After all, many religions believe that choosing the wrong faith will have permanently negative consequences lasting all of eternity. Can a child make an informed decision about that? And it can’t be because of dangers that children are prohibited from sexual activities with an adult. There is no danger to sexual activity that a responsible caretaker can’t protect their child from. Just try and name one.

Parents and caretakers are perfectly capable of watching over their children and making sure they don’t come to harm in things like car rides and swimming and walking around public places and learning to ride a bike and crossing the street and boating and hiking and camping in the wilderness and whitewater river rafting and rock climbing and handling firearms for sport and even skydiving for god’s sake. No, children don’t need to be able to make an informed decision about anything at all in order to avoid unfavorable and harmful consequences when doing something dangerous; that’s what parents and caretakers are for. But some things are far less dangerous than others. When has it ever been the case that someone has died from masturbating or looking at porn? If it were really true that the possibility of injury was the reason a person believed pedophilia was wrong, then they wouldn’t be opposed to adults who did those two things with children. There is no such thing as a scientific study that controlled for societal factors when investigating pedophilia. That’s clearly inexcusable. If homosexual youths who killed themselves left suicide notes that said they did it because they hated themselves for being gay, would you believe that being homosexual was inherently traumatizing, or would you demand that societal factors be taken into account to explain why they were psychologically suffering? Obviously, societal factors need to be taken into account when scientifically investigating the effects of pedophilia.

From the earliest of ages, children are taught that nakedness is wrong and that playing with one’s genitals or the genitals of others is even more wrong. In the same way that children learn early on that hurting others and murder is wrong, they learn that sexual activity with other children and with adults is wrong. It’s little wonder that children respond negatively to something for which they were conditioned to respond negatively towards. And when such accounts of negative experiences are given as evidence of the harm pedophilia causes, the people who give them and those who value them can immediately be shown to be hypocrites simply by asking them if they are as willing to value positive accounts of sexual activity with a pedophile and to let those accounts change their beliefs about the inherent harm pedophilia causes. Anyone who doesn’t show guilt and shame for breaking a rule is punished more severely than someone who does, if they’re even punished at all. Punishment causes distress. The greater the punishment, the greater the distress. Pedophilia is one of the most punished things on earth. No one is even allowed to not be traumatized by pedophile sexual activity. Anyone who doesn’t show guilt and shame and fear and trauma—or at least a deep sense of wrongness—for being sexually involved with a pedophile, but instead expressed defiance and a desire to do it again, would be positively vilified. Try and name even just one psychological harm believed to be inherently caused by pedophile sexual activity and that isn’t far, far better explained as the result of endless crushing anxiety and sickening fear at the thought of the ultra severe punishments for being involved in the violation of one of the most hated and punished sexual taboos on the planet.

The primary purpose of sexual activity in the human species is that of social bonding. If you doubt that, just consider what the average number of children a married couple has, and then think about the number of times they have sex throughout their relationship. They aren’t doing it to make babies. Bonding with others is arguably among the most beneficial of things a human could possibly do. In fact, it’s probably the single most important and beneficial thing. There’s nothing about sexual activity that prevents a child from sharing in that benefit. Also, it’s immensely pleasurable, which is a benefit all on its own. Many of the things people do, they do simply for the pleasure of it. Intimate familiarity of sexual activity from an early age through hands-on experience with a loving and responsible caretaker would solve much of the immaturity and unsafe behaviors that plague so many people’s sex lives. It is socially irresponsible to treat public health concerns such as unwanted pregnancies, STDs, sexual bullies and violent rapists with the secrecy and shame in the way that they are due to misguided public attitudes about sex. Radically liberal sexual values would provide the benefit of properly addressing these public health concerns instead of keeping them an endemic problem because of how everyone treats sex. As with all things beneficial for a human to do, the earlier they are introduced to it, the better. Laughing, walking, talking, reading, writing, mathematics… all are good to begin doing as soon as one is able, and sexual feelings and activities, something a human can do from even before birth, is no different. There is no stage during human development when sexual feelings and activities crossover from being distressing to being pleasurable. Almost every person on earth who can recall their childhood can recall exploring themselves sexually in private and not being harmed by it. Almost any parent could report observing their toddlers playing with themselves at some point. There have been sonogram videos of both male and female fetuses masturbating to the point of orgasm. Just Google fetal masturbation. The biology which allows for sexual experiences is something that gets developed before birth. It is deeply stupid to believe that something harmless which so many children do in private would suddenly become one of the most damaging things known to medical science just because another person who happens to have been alive for more years than they becomes involved. Children are forced against their will into doing a very lot of things and yet they aren’t traumatized for it. Are you going to use language that carries as much condemnation and hate as does the word rape to describe all the other things children are forced to do? As already mentioned, sexual activity is immensely beneficial, and the benefit of all the things children are forced to do is given as justification for why it isn’t wrong to make them do as they’re told. There is no feature to sexual activity that makes it importantly different from all the other things children are brought to be involved in by their parents and caretakers. If you can’t say what makes it importantly different, then you aren’t justified in treating it differently. Sexual activity with children is not wrong. Even masturbating an infant in order to soothe them or even just to create a positive bonding experience with them is not wrong.

The punishments you are a supporter of and the bigotry you feel towards pedophiles is entirely the reason children are traumatized when they come to be involved in not only harmless, but profoundly beneficial sexual activity with a loving and responsible caretaker. You are the reason little children suffer. You are a child abuser, and you are the reason why their suffering turns into a lifelong struggle. If you believe that cultural conditioning can shape a person’s powerful gut reactions about things that are intensely punished, and if you are motivated by a desire to protect children from psychological harm, then why don’t you react with a sense of urgency at wanting scientific studies to be conducted investigating pedophilia and which take cultural conditioning into account? If it were true that the punishments you support are actually the source of harm in children, wouldn’t you want to know so that children could be kept from harm? And if you don’t react with a sense of urgency, doesn’t that mean you don’t care if you’re harming children?

The values of society are that tolerance and acceptance and fairness and kindness and love and the right of parents to raise their children in whatever harmless way they choose are held to be more important than intolerance and hate and disgust and bigotry and the value of sexual purity. In this way, it is against the values of society to support the criminalization of pedophilia.

If none of this convinced you to change your beliefs, then tell me: would anything? Can you even say what criteria would be needed to convince you to change? Or are your beliefs not based upon evidence and reason?

Holy shit.

 

[cuddle striker]

not all libertarians are pedos, but all pedos are libertarians.


also lol at thinking the left accepts everyone. the left is more exclusive than the right.

 

[RI 360]

not all libertarians are pedos, but all pedos are libertarians.

They're always unhinged left (thick) libertarians who never understood economics or bothered learning anything more about Rothbard aside from his name because their number one concern is some how making sexuality a libertarian issue, along with other socialist tenancies, where as regular/right (thin, lol is what "libertarian" standing alone meant) libertarians who just concern themselves with the NAP and don't believe reactionary personal beliefs are some kind of threat to liberty. The former wants to make it a thought crime for you finding their demi queer pansexual, middle schooler aged child loving fucking disgusting.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Even masturbating an infant in order to soothe them or even just to create a positive bonding experience with them is not wrong.

 

[cuddle striker]

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did you read my post? not all libertarians are pedos. as you say.

all pedos are libertarians. they all want to be permitted to harm kids without the Man stopping them. some of them are economically conservative, others are economically liberal.

there are conservative far right smash gubmint pedos running youth behavior training camps for fundies, and far left anti trump sjw tranny activist pedos running homeless youth outreaches...as we speak. both sides of that have these guys. they're all libertarian though.

no need to break it down into historical and philosophical defenses of a political system.

 

[RI 360]

did you read my post? not all libertarians are pedos. as you say.

all pedos are libertarians. they all want to be permitted to harm kids without the Man stopping them. some of them are economically conservative, others are economically liberal.

there are conservative far right smash gubmint pedos running youth behavior training camps for fundies, and far left anti trump sjw tranny activist pedos running homeless youth outreaches...as we speak. both sides of that have these guys. they're all libertarian though.

no need to break it down into historical and philosophical defenses of a political system.

Oh, I forgot to include. The regular/right libertarians don't consider the left ones libertarians. They just call themselves that. Like if you look at the results in the 8 values thread, the creator somehow attaches the word libertarian to people who are outright socialists in economic policy but because they like voting rights or some shit he just attaches that word to the title even though it's no applicable at all. It's not applicable to left "libertarians." Most far right conservatives are neocons. Neocons are not libertarian.

 

[cuddle striker]

Oh, I forgot to include. The regular/right libertarians don't consider the left ones libertarians. They just call themselves that. Like if you look at the results in the 8 values thread, the creator somehow attaches the word libertarian to people who are outright socialists in economic policy but because they like voting rights or some shit he just attaches that word to the title even though it's no applicable at all. It's not applicable to left "libertarians." Most far right conservatives are neocons. Neocons are not libertarian.

they want the Man to stop taking their taxes and keeping kids away from them. that's enough for me to know where they stand. I don't really care much about the specifics you're detailing. that's a debate for people who care about libertarians and feel like reading essays and shit.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

Just Google fetal masturbation.

"No."

 

[Johnny Bravo]

The primary purpose of sexual activity in the human species is that of social bonding. If you doubt that, just consider what the average number of children a married couple has, and then think about the number of times they have sex throughout their relationship. They aren’t doing it to make babies. Bonding with others is arguably among the most beneficial of things a human could possibly do. In fact, it’s probably the single most important and beneficial thing. There’s nothing about sexual activity that prevents a child from sharing in that benefit.

You're not diddling kiddies to "bond" with them, creepo. Even a grown ass adult would feel repulsed by this kind of behavior. Try telling the chick at the bar that you "just want to bond" with them. "Come on baby, it's beneficial!"

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

They're always unhinged left (thick) libertarians who never understood economics or bothered learning anything more about Rothbard aside from his name because their number one concern is some how making sexuality a libertarian issue, along with other socialist tenancies, where as regular/right (thin, lol is what "libertarian" standing alone meant) libertarians who just concern themselves with the NAP and don't believe reactionary personal beliefs are some kind of threat to liberty. The former wants to make it a thought crime for you finding their demi queer pansexual, middle schooler aged child loving fucking disgusting.

The only proper libertarian perspective on sex is what you see in Moon is a Harsh Mistress: if you force yourself on anyone you get a trip through an airlock.

 

[Meowthkip]

The punishments you are a supporter of and the bigotry you feel towards pedophiles is entirely the reason children are traumatized when they come to be involved in not only harmless, but profoundly beneficial sexual activity with a loving and responsible caretaker. You are the reason little children suffer. You are a child abuser, and you are the reason why their suffering turns into a lifelong struggle.

This is fucking kookoo bananapants bullshit right here, holy shit.

 

[giga]

I've been thinking about this for a while, and as a dedicated armchair psychologist who knows barely anything about psychology, I have a little theory as to how pedophilia comes about.

You never really hear of like 25-year-old people diddling kids. Even if so, they're few and far between compared to how many fuckin 50-something-year-old men are out there diddling little kids.

What if, now we're going into my insane Freudian-esque pseudo-psychology here, what if, all these old men are diddling kids as a way to cope with their imminent mortality? Like, they're going to die soon, so they become attracted to people that are younger (sometimes really young) in order to feel young again. Or something.

My bullshit explanation does not, however, excuse the act of fuckin pedophilia, though. Most 50-year-old men are not pedophiles, so my hypothesis is probably bullshit. I still think pedophiles fuckin deserve the "Mike "Thomas Edison had the best medicine" Pence" treatment.

 

[Wallace]

This is NOT Nazi Germany. We love, tolerant, and accept everyone.

Oh grow the fuck up. Inclusion doesn't make you morally better, it just makes it impossible to throw out the shitty people in your group.

The idea that it’s worse to kick a predator out of a community or limit their participation than to protect vulnerable people is Geek Social Fallacy number one. Number two is the idea that we must accept everyone as they are; number three is that if you call a friend out on shitty or predatory or abusive behavior that you’re not actually a friend. Four and five are encompassed by the fiction that everyone in the club likes each other and that everyone is friends–also bullshit. The end result is that no one can ever be excommunicated, no matter how much of a net drain they are on the group, and even thinking about it makes you a Bad Person.

If you're a predator, then this type of thinking is great for you, since it gives you a shield to hide behind when called out for your predation. "You want to kick me out because I molested your kid? Y'know who else liked to exclude people? HITLER!" A community built on the premise of unconditional love and acceptance for everyone sounds great in theory, but in practice they just allow horrible people to fester and take over until all of the sane people have left in disillusionment. q.v. every SocJus group ever.

I also wonder if they extend their love, tolerant[sic], and acceptance to people who disagree with them, like Trump voters.