Historical Revisionists

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sugoi-chan said:
Washington? No, not in the slightest. While his marriage to Martha was pretty passionless by contemporary accounts, he was madly in love with Sally Fairfax, a crush that was kind of a widely-known secret among Virginia planter society. He was also a notorious flirt and carried on racy (by 18th century standards at least) correspondences with women throughout his life. The article linked there, of course, makes no mention of this. Just his seemingly frosty relationship with Martha (which could be more considered to be a marriage of intellectual equals than anything. They were in love with one another, but it was a different kind of love than what he had for Sally). The article seems to be pointing out this fact and then using that to cast light on his close relationships with his proteges, like Hamilton and Lafeyette. Yes, they were exceptionally close but Washington considered them to be the sons he never had (given that his adopted son was a wastrel and he had none of his own). He was also a very family loving man and so encouraged his close advisors to treat him as though he was a father figure because that's how a man like that deals with years and years suffering through trial and torment away from the home he loved.

Washington wasn't gay. He may have been gay friendly (I have no knowledge of the claims the author makes as towards his actions towards same-sex affairs) but we also have to remember to not cast modern conceptions of sexuality onto a period where interpersonal relationships were very very different.

As far as Lincoln goes, I don't know enough about his life to deny. I know the rumors exist, but I also know he was married and had a bunch of kids. So, again, this may be another example of looking through the past with a modern lens.

It's interesting that people who search for gay presidents (I don't doubt that, in 42 presidents there have been more than one who were into dudes), none seem to mention James Buchanan who had a really, really close relationship with a male companion and never married.
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Would you believe we have a Washington thread? :D

James Buchanan is the most plausible of the Presidents, but lots of people tend to do this speculation, to the point it's ridiculed -every bachelor in history is a homosexual to some people. I'm amazed Alan Turing doesn't come up more -he's one of the most easily-recognized computer scientists, had a role in breaking the enigma code, and his treatment by the UK Government was beyond cruel.
 
MarineTrainedTard said:
Wait, I'm confused, is that "You're a Khazar Jew and therefore not a Jew, but I am a black Jew and all the real original Jews were black?"

I... uh...

What?
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Black Israelites are like professional trolls, or so @Ron Paul 2024 tells me.

I saw them at an art festival in Baltimore once. I thought they were angry wizards.

vitriol said:
Also @Meowthkip was right the jewish side of tumblr is insane- zionists, sjw's and fascists shouting at each other. its a complete cesspool and not very funny :(
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I don't see the Zionists very much but the SJW anti-Semites seem to pop up a lot when they're reblogged by unwitting Tumblr kiddies. The fascists are basically just Tumblr atrocity tourism.

Foltest said:
Ahhh yes, Medievalpoc. As someone who is on his second year of history at the university, I feel dumber for reading that crap.It is so stupid. I remember also from earlier this year, when A man in black (An anti-GG) wanted Moors in Kingdom Come Deliverance (which I can't wait for) . The game is set in Bohemia. in the 15 century. Yeah...
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With an avatar like that, I'm kind of amazed Grand Galactic Jay got a response at all.


vitriol said:
@Meowthkip nothing on yet but I've a week long queue set up:

http://medievalmonkeys.tumblr.com/

so you can learn all about how monkeys have been whitewashed out of history!
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I love you.
 
Morbid Boredom said:
James Buchanan is the most plausible of the Presidents, but lots of people tend to do this speculation, to the point it's ridiculed -every bachelor in history is a homosexual to some people. I'm amazed Alan Turing doesn't come up more -he's one of the most easily-recognized computer scientists, had a role in breaking the enigma code, and his treatment by the UK Government was beyond cruel.
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Did you miss the bit where they made a film about Turing being gay
 
Dudeofteenage said:
Did you miss the bit where they made a film about Turing being gay
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I had to look that up -I kinda live under a rock, and don't care much for Benedryl Cumberbund. This is relevant to my interests, I have a copy of The Turk on my nightstand. Thank you!
 
Morbid Boredom said:
I had to look that up -I kinda live under a rock, and don't care much for Benedryl Cumberbund. This is relevant to my interests, I have a copy of The Turk on my nightstand. Thank you!
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Don't thank me. It's a dumb film. And I say that as somebody who likes Bendytrick Comfortbong
 
sugoi-chan said:
Oh god I want in on this plz.
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it turns out there is a lot of medieval and renaissance art with monkeys, finding 20 odd posts to put in a queue was easy!

I'm afraid I know nothing about tumblr as far as adding extra mods etc but if you pm me how i can try and add you :P
 
Dudeofteenage said:
I question the value of this kind of thing, but to me it doesn't qhtml qualify as revisionist history, since it's not really overturning clearly established historical facts. We know almost nothing about Lincoln or Washington's sex lives, so the theory that they were closeted gay men is kind of impossible to disprove, although it's also impossible to prove. It's not really very valuable, but it's more groundless speculation than actual revisionism.
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I agree with the speculation part. It just seems so fucking cherry-picked and Kramer, in my opinion, seemed to focus too much on those letters on the Washington part anyway.

This is one of the articles I came across. I am aware that Daily Mail is not the greatest resource, but some of the stuff Kramer said made me scratch my head.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ington-Abraham-Lincoln-Jamestown-gay-sex.html
 
AnOminous said:
Except this is complete bullshit.

I looked it up again to make sure, but this was just an assumption made out of ignorance. DNA has since proven it incorrect. If you know anything about Greek pottery, red and black figure pottery were common throughout the region and were artistic tropes that did not reflect the skin of the people depicted, but the color of readily available pigments. Otherwise, we would have to conclude bright red people lived in ancient Greece.

So I'm not even going to look at the rest of that when it started out with blatant nonsense.
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It's like looking at Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs and concluding that they only existed in two dimensions.
 
sugoi-chan said:
If I may also add, revisionism itself is not inherently bad. The history we teach, the history we accept as "fact" usually only came about as a result of revisions, challenging the then-"status quo" of accepted historical theory. Countless concepts that historians now dismiss as inaccurate or overly simplified were once accepted as historical "canon". To claim that the history we teach is some single, unerring "truth" and is under attack from this group or that group is inaccurate as what we accept as history is constantly changing thanks to new schools of thought, new technologies, new discoveries, etc etc. Yes, there is a danger to historical revisionism, but that can be overcome more by teaching how to critically analyze sources or claims and less about rejecting out of hand said claims entirely.
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History is changing all the time, but as you said it's because we learn new facts and make new discoveries. When SJW and other morons do it it has nothing to do with any of that. It's "I want this to be true, so it is. Anyone who says otherwise is the enemy." That and anything they don't like about the official history is dismissed out of hand as "patriarchy and white lies", evidence be damned.
 
MarineTrainedTard said:
Also, I admit my knowledge of African history is woefully lacking, but I do seem to recall reading a bit about a couple of great African Empires built and ruled by black cultures. Wasn't the Mali Empire kind of a big deal? If these tumblristas really cared about African history and educating people about it, there's loads of great ancient African societies they could be sperging about.

Of course, that would assume they actually care.


EDIT: And, of course, none of that will get around the fact that, due to great interest and success in sea travel, and, later, industrialization, European imperial ambitions managed to subjugate most of Africa. It's unfortunate, but it's also true.
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I was just saying this myself.

Why make up ancient black cultures when there's plenty of real ones? There's the Ashanti, the nubians, the Zulu, and the Mali. I'm probably missing a few myself.
 
sugoi-chan said:
Wasn't medievalpoc the one who posted a picture of black Mozart as some conclusive proof that he was black...only for nearly everyone on the internet to reblog with the full ad that was for a radio station that intentionally recolored an old portrait?

EDIT - Found one such post. Wasn't medievalpoc, but it wouldn't surprise me if she was reblogging this in another interminable blog string:

http://archive.is/BROOR
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What's funny is that the "black Mozart" painting is just a poorly done ad for a radio station. You can clearly see their logo on the bottom.

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Oh my God. Oh my God this thread.

Tumblr's historical revisionism is literally one of the few things that make me furious, especially because often (see: Medievalpoc) spew a lot of bullshit that other people read and believe because they don't bother fact-checking.
I am a Southern Italian and the SJWs LOVE to call us "POC", which we aren't. They probably cannot fathom the fact that we come in various skin tones (anyone who studied our history will know how many different populations invaded us, from Arabs to Normans). I've been called "racist" multiple times because I've countered some of their arguments with actual facts.
 
This is unfortunate because as other's have said the cause does have merit. No one can deny that blacks have had much of their culture and history erased due to enslavement and western colonization. However like all things ( especially on tumblr) they take it to the extreme. It's like the body positivity movement, I'm totally on board with a message about accepting different body types but now it's turned into this agenda that downplays or flatout dismisses the dangers of obesity.

People are always drawn to the side that offers the most gratification for the least sacrifice. And since tumblr is just a bunch of slactivists and sheltered college kids seeking validation, they'll find it anyway they can, no matter how disingenuous and manipulative

that being said I really would love to see a more honest interpretation of history that does include the contributions of blacks but not at the cost of misrepresenting or appropriating another group's history and culture.
 
AUGH YEAH
I love pseudohistory/alternate history. It seems like a lot of this would qualify for some sort of epic science fantasy story (Vril energies, Thule, Atlantis, Annunaki) but instead it's supposed to be taken at face value.
Related to the ancient black civilization post on the first page, I like how they showed a picture of Nubians for Shang Dynasty China.
Not all historical revisionism is horrible though because it can make you see things in a different light.
 
History is written by the winners, and those with tumblr accounts.

What I like is that even fictional empires like Atlantis aren't even safe. A lot of people claim that they were black or that were not Mediterranean.
 
oh god, i hate these fuckers when it comes to the ancient egyptians.
they can't get it through their fucking skulls that cleopatra 7 was white
because she was fucking greek.
also they weren't sub-Saharan Africans (although iirc, they had a few black Pharaohs.)
in fact they tend to draw themselves as different than other africans.
i'm not really that interested in the ancient egyptians themselves, i'm more into the mythology, but even i know this shit.

BoredCat said:
that being said I really would love to see a more honest interpretation of history that does include the contributions of blacks but not at the cost of misrepresenting or appropriating another group's history and culture.
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SJWs are the worst thing to happen to black history.
because sjws love to just ignore it, and instead latch onto someone else's history and claim it as black
because natives of the americas and asians are white now i guess?
 
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