hoe_math / Justin Quirici / Justin Careesi - "HISTORY'S MANLIEST HILARIOUS SEX GENIUS", Makes autistic charts, kicked off the cunt carousel, Chubby Chaser, "discriminated" against for being a white male, wants the Bible to be rewritten, COVID RUINED HIS DREAM JOB!

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Oh bless his little heart. He reminds me of myself when I first discovered /pol/ ten years ago. Finding all the posts about crime statistics and the Talmud and how every media outlet is owned by six corporations, and thinking I'd just discovered the source code of reality. I thought I had it all figured out, and that I'd joined an esoteric order bent on enlightening the world by waking up the sheeple normies. It took years of stock market crash prophecies failing to come true and dozens of SIEGE readers posting themselves into prison cells for me to realize that much more of it was noise than signal, and the mental bullshit filter I've grown over time is what allows me to exist on the Racist Parts Of The Internet nowadays without going insane.
Difference between him and me is I was a retarded teenager at the time. He is a forty year old man, he should know better than to believe every 4chan screencap he reads, even if it has the fancy picture of the egyptian frog holding the number 77.

I haven't watched hoe_math's newest 1 hour longform PsyOps yet. But I knew it was coming down the pipeline because he teased it at the end of his Apr 1st, 2025 interview with Rich Cooper, where he talked about his upcoming video involving a fan who is an expert in brainwashing and works for the FBI



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RC: What's next for hoe_math?

hm: - his Levels AQAL video is by far his most successful video ever
- this made him want to pivot his content away from dating advice to more pure psychology stuff, but he feared wasting his redpill advice momentum
- plans to start doing more Developmental Psych content from his background, but also wants to keep milking the relationship stuff for all it's worth
- has infinite amounts of ideas for content, could do this until he's 90

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hoe_math was disappointed when his off-brand conspiracy video underperformed with lower views and more dislikes.
He also wants everyone to know that he IS NOT Jeffrey Epstein suicidal.

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Twitter rando: 134k views in 1 day is low? Dang, you're killing it.
hoe_math: Several of my videos have reached over 300k in a day.
Yes I would say I'm doing pretty well.

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Twitter rando: I am surprised the dude you are interviewing is allowed to reveal that information
hoe_math: I mean he teaches it to people for money.

The methods are not a secret and he didn't tell me anything from government documents that isn't Declassified which means publicly readable.

He just has very special expertise that needs to be heard so he came to me and I was happy to help.
So the glowie sought out hoe_math because he needed to be heard and knew hoe_math would be happy to help?
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Video clip in question from YT PsyOps video, Apr 17th, 2025, 27m30s

Commenter & hoe_math are referencing the infamous Sinclair broadcasting "Misinformation is dangerous to our communities" choreographed clip

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I couldn't corroborate this one. MJ died in June 2009.
NDAA seems to stand for the National Defense Authorization Act which dates back to 1961.
There are lots of "Obama+NDAA" hits, but none of them match June/July 2009 when media discussion of Jackson ODing on anaesthetic-grade propofol would've been center stage in the news.


Video clip in question from YT PsyOps video, Apr 17th, 2025, 53m12s

This clip with hoe_math asking questions about psyops to "FBI brainwashing expert" BK makes no mention of Michael Jackson, the NDAA or Obama.

In the vid/clip, BK references the Chinese Spy Balloon story during the tail end of COVID, suggesting that the government played up the panic to allow the feds and governors to cling on to COVID emergency powers a little bit longer. Which seems like a very weak example of a "distraction" news event to cover up a nothingburger government bait-&switch.

Although, BK does make an interesting point that he claims there is some released evidence that the Chinese spy balloon was "full of American technology"; the feds didn't want to shoot it down over the continental US where a civilian may have been able to recover anything from the wreckage.


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Bumping my earlier question: anyone feel like taking one for the team and diving into Hoe's """ai powered""" self-help website "selfmax.ai"?

hoe_math was disappointed when his off-brand conspiracy video underperformed with lower views and more dislikes.
Disappointed? He's going all in on "they can't stop the signal" because "muh watch times and positive viewer reaction" cope.
I'm subbed to his channel because his shorter "tried and true" videos on social dynamics are nice background filler. I noped out of his latest video about 10 minutes in when I saw that he's going to talk to an (((FBI))) """expert""" on a soft-serve bullshit like "psychological profiling" who only went by some random initials. But hey, I fell under Rudyard's (WhatIfAltHist) spell for a bit so I get how these experts can entice people.

He also wants everyone to know that he IS NOT Jeffrey Epstein suicidal.
As if he thinks anyone cares if this fukkboi lives or dies, c'mon now...
 
It kind of got buried in my datepsych v. hoe_math Twitter battle that ended up much longer than I intended, but I wanted to highlight again that in those screenshots, hoe_math confesses to not being able to quit nose ring BPD girls even if he regrets it everytime.

I thought it might be helpful to compile some of the powerleveling that hoe_math has revealed so far about his personal attractiveness preferences.


So, our Likes & Dislikes so far

1) He likes them "bigger than most"

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2) He likes them all them "tall & thicc"

*In the fever dream that has been listening to hoe_math's archived content for weeks, I recall an anecdote he talked about where in the not-so-distant-past he dated an Amazon-tall woman with thicc thighs (but according to hoe_math not obese thicc). I'm not sure if I clipped it, but I'll try to dig it up.

@my penis is on fire


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YT Live Q&A Jan 10th, 2024, 2h42m41s

Q: What's the best date he's ever been on?

hm: Lived beside a bar in his last big blue Liberal city
Met a tall, thicc girl in a Renaissance dress on Tinder or Bumble
She was "tall & thicc, I'm into that"
She was "one of my types"
She was slightly taller than him (5'11")
"Broad body, not fat, thicc girl"
Best sexual experience for both of us
Later turned out she had a bf
Can't remember her name now
Still thinks about her all the time

3) He has "always been attracted to nose ring girls and [he] regrets it every time

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Twitter rando: Why are these nose ring girls bad?
hoe_math: Not sure. "my best guess so far is that the nose ring is meant to suggest "lead me around by the nose...if you think you can."
"And then they are all BPD, so as soon as you tie your shoes wrong you're the devil and she attacks."


4) He likes 'em young, cuz if he can't have them young, "he's in trouble". And there's nothing you can do to stop him.


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Q: Age gap relationships, X/2+7 formula?

A: Makes minimum age for any sexual debut 14, still thinks that's weird
He will be 40 soon one day, "If I'm limited to 27 y/os, I'm in trouble."
Let's not make that the law.
"I'm just going to do whatever I want and you can't stop me."

5) He claims to like them smart and mature, but also believes said women as smart and enlightened as him can't exist, and therefore prefers them to be midwits, ideologically possessed and obedient


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HM claims to have taken his own LevelsCheck.AI test and gets ranked at the second highest level (Level 8 of 9). Even so, he believes he's operating at the highest S-tier 9 level "sometimes", but the AI isn't picking it up yet.

He also talks about a Goldilocks zone personally for the women he's interested in.

Women at Level 3 are too narcissistic and never consider others. "They do what they WANT".

Level 4 women consider the needs of others, but are also very simplistic and dogmatic in their belief structure, so he could only be involved if "They believe in everything I believe", "They do what they SHOULD".

Level 5 women are his sweetspot. "Let's TALK about what we want"

Level 6 women are too busybodied, so concerned with suicidal empathy that they annoy him by "wanting to restructure everything"

6) He's okay with having a partner who is a blank slate with no personal interests or hobbies


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hm: "I dated a girl once who was nice to me and was very pretty and she didn't care about or understand anything that I liked and that was fine with me. I watched TV with her. I went out to eat with her. She would listen when I talked about my stuff. Sometimes she would ask me questions and I would tell her about my life. Ya know, one time she said to me "You are like so deep and I am like not deep at all."
I didn't mind. I think it works better if it's the girl who has no interests. If it's the woman with a very rich life of hobbies & interests and then the man is just like "Uh, I like Bud Light", I don't think that would work."


7) He doesn't like tattoos


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The superchat on stream commissioning the doodle is actually a fellow attorney of Lawtube & former Nick Rekieta associate named Andrew Branca. He's a boomer self defense consultant in Colorado on a second marriage with kids with a younger wife. He loves to get drunk on streams then yell at women that they are dried up cat lady whores.

I covered his interactions with hoe_math more in-depth in the Lawtube thread.

In this clip, Branca pays hoe_math to draw a "woman with no red flags".

hoe_math struggles with the request, drawing a normal woman in conservative dress.

He then proceeds to draw a corresponding woman WITH red flag, which leads to his tattoo commentary.

* hoe_math then goes off on a minor tangent that he doesn't like tattoos on women, references a video he made critiquing a buff woman full of tattoos and a nose ring that looked like man
- "What are they thinking...it's going to do for them?"
- "They don't know how men see it?"
- "Do you think it makes you look like marriage material?


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This is hoe_math own video with the buff, tattooed girl realizing that most men prefer petite feminine women.
(Which suddenly has another layer of irony after the his revelation of "taller than me, thicc Renaissance dress girl" as his "best date ever).

hoe_math - "I think [masculine tattooed nose ring buff girl] looks great. But my life is a [dumpster fire 🔥]"
Here in his Dec 4th, 2023 YT short he's referencing where a nose ringed buff tattooed chick comes to the self realization that men want feminine women, not women trying to be dudes
"I'm not saying you have to conform to the world. But you do have to conform to reality."
"If you want people to like you, then you have to be what they like."
hm - People with tattoos like other people with tattoos?

8 ) He doesn't like "feminist" women

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I would say probably ALL of the top 20 of my favorite women I've dated were feminists and it ruined any chance of a future. They just go "oh by the way, I am casually expecting you to permit this utterly ridiculous shit because current year" and I go "no" and they leave
 
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Our alogging efforts have been insufficient.

He's gained 11k YT subs since the thread was created less than a month ago.

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His next video is about "Santa-ism", which essentially is his terminology for leftists demanding free shit.

Not sure about the poll results, I didn't want to vote and sully the experiment.

I'd guess his audience simply wants more shortform videos mocking ethots, as this is how he established his Tiktok.

There was a clip I recently posted from his Rich Cooper interview Apr 1st where he mentioned wanting to branch out into more generalized Psych content separate from his dating stuff. He mentioned his best ever performing YT video was the one explaining Levels (AQAL / Ken Wilber / Levels of Consciousness stuff) with his Zones video being second (more of his lived dating experience than Psych).

But he's also extremely money motivated (and very sensitive to sub losses, lower view counts, complaints about his former free public livestreams), so I would imagine it's the endless shortform thot slop mocking content that will win the day and pay the bills.

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hoe_math is such a big deal that he "left about 45 important people on read", including missing out on an offer to do Chris Williamson's YT show
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Not really sure what any of this means. But hoe_math seems to like the idea of their actually being some sort of abstract mathematical reasoning behind the theories he pulls out of his ass.

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hoe_math: I have absolutely no other source of meaning left [than the effort he puts into reeducation of the mass]
 
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From the OP, we know that hoe_math doesn't care for troon groomers or gender-affirming care butchers.

hoe_math: Your government...brainwashed the nation's children to think that cutting their dicks and tits off is fun and cool and will make them happy...

Twitter rando mental health worker: I can not emphasize enough how being trans has been blown out of proportion. Kids aren't "cutting their dicks off"...

hoe_math: you're severely mentally ill and dangerous. you are living in full-blown psychosis...

it is very obvious to people without your dangerous psychosis that we should not tell defenseless children that sex changes are normal or therapeutic...

this is not a subtle or complicated issue. it's "do we tell children that sex changes are normal or not" and the answer is either "no" or "I need to be locked in solitary confinement for the rest of my life"

Twitter rando mental health worker: Lol "morally posture " touch grass dude.

hoe_math:...you're a completely blackened, twisted monster. your mind is not capable of processing reality beyond "X is popular so X is true" and you're unaware that people who hate you have paid good money to make sick and dangerous things popular. it's literally just brainwashing and you're a victim.

"look everyone, dick removal surgery is popular with fun celebrities!"

MUST REMOVE PENIS BZZT BZZT

Twitter rando mental health worker:... If you have a degree in developmental psych then you apparently paid zero attention and don't serve your clients at all

hoe_math: speaking to people like you is a waste. you need to be in prison

Twitter rando mental health worker: Speaking to people like you is pointless. You cover up actual discussion with insults and assumptions...

hoe_math: take your meds you filthy stupid whacko child predator

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More recently, hoe_math powerlevels in a wider discussion of low birth rates in the West and high fecundity in Gaza, that he has a troon cousin as he's detailing his family tree.

My grandparents collectively had eight children. Those eight had 13 children. That's me and my siblings and cousins.

I believe that the youngest one of those 13 is over 30, the oldest is 43, and between them, they have 3 children, one of whom will not reproduce due to transsexual brainwashing. I haven't asked, but from appearances, it looks like permanent decisions have been made


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Not 100% sure what the punchline of this comic is.

The replies posit that it could be mocking Judaism, blacks or feminists. But none of them fits seemlessly.

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Here's a reply from last June 2024 where hoe_math doesn't bend the knee when some fag asks him to queer up his Zones chart for Pride month.

hoe_math: LGBT people are welcome to use and watch my stuff, but I'm really tired of hearing "now make it gay." that's not within my interests, experience, or knowledge.

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[LGBT] victim mentality is the root of evil

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hoe_math's guy friends were pretending to be queer for DEI employment purposes

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hoe_math & RadFemHitler arguing over Jaguar's troonmobile, fags and boomers

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hoe_math advising new fathers to go the sovereign citizen route.

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therapy is gay. that's why girls like it. girls are gay

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Bill Burr is a humiliated race traitor who believes in nothing but all that "gay retarded filth" (ie. globohome DEI Hollywood slop) because he hit the male equivalent of The Wall and settled for "the wrongest possible woman out of desperation"'

This next one was originally dug up and posted by @Inside your walls

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I just realized that I had two moments in high school when teachers pretty clearly tried to recruit me for gay brainwashing. One of my memories came back while cooking and I remembered a male teacher with a Ned Flanders mustache isolating me and trying to sell after-school gay club as a solution for my lack of social fit
yeah, but back then I didn't recognize it. I thought the teachers were just... trying to be nice because I wasn't popular? but they were actually preying on my vulnerability by herding me towards the gay kids. that's pretty weird to think of like that

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hoe_math advocating for anyone pro-mass migration to be imprisoned to stop them from being "gay little yappers"


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I didn't think too much about this guy until CoolFool proposed him as the male version of aella in her thread.

I was familiar with him but considered him just one of those wannabe "public intellectuals" that dominate all forms of social media. He didn't strike me as either particularly insightful nor particularly offbase, although I had a vague impression of him as "Oscar Wilde at home."

Having now read his thread and realized that he is a vain, overeducated, poorly-closeted bisexual, manwhore failson who tries to disguise his bitterness that the world loves him less than when he was young and pretty through aggressive snark ...
 
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TFW you want to take bank accounts in your own name but men just think it's so you can scream "RAPE".
Yeah yeah calm your ass down, I'm not saying that 3rd wave feminist aren't full of women who want to use feminism as an excuse to dominate others and excuse their own flaws, I'm trying to say that reducing all feminism to that is embarrassing. Lumping Feminism, Communism, Racism, and LGBT+ together as a big evil is the fault of college radicals who wanted to create their own religion based on what alternative radical bunk they got echo chambered into, but most people in those groups aren't all the enemies (communist trannies are retarded of course). There's reasonable expectations of wanting to be respected as a fellow human being, but being on twitter and tiktok all day blinds a man to thinking there's only hardcore SJWs who support this shit and the sheeple they conned into it instead of varying degrees. It's a pain in the ass, you know?
I think the more concerning thing is that he just sees it as "lmao women get what they asked for" since most females didn't ask for sexual assault and AGPs. It's not like everyone everywhere had a KiwiFarms in 2025 level of knowledge of troons. Hell, Kiwis even called some troons in the rat king section by their preferred pronouns - it took a while for even cynical internet retards to see the trans agenda. It's so reductive and petty, this and not leaving his house are why he ain't getting pussy right now.

hoe_math advising new fathers to go the sovereign citizen route.
I hope it was a shitpost because most people should participate in society to help themselves.


Do you guys think he could get another internet famous boyfriend-free GF? I wouldn't be surprised if he one day started edating someone.
 
I just happened to find out that this guy has a book on Amazon that is a compilation of his videos regarding his mathematical analysis of “hoe-inflation”. Though, I didn’t expect to see him have a thread on here. If anything, he reads like a more analytical version of Rollo Tomassi.
 
I've been thinking about the information that he has a Masters in Developmental Psychology and complains that he was told that he couldn't get jobs in his field because he's a white man.

When I was in college, developmental psychology was overwhelmingly women, in fact I don't think I met a single dude who was studying it. I know that graduate degrees tilt more towards men than undergrad programs, but I looked it up and it's still like 85% women for Masters in Developmental Psychology. Which is only marginally less than the 88% women getting nursing degrees, and that's including undergrad degrees because I don't feel like digging that hard. It's possible that at the Master's level his program was even more female-dominated than nursing.

Now, I've heard that employers often slightly prefer male nurses, but that's because nursing frequently involves moving heavy equipment and patients. Not only does that not seem like the case with developmental psychology, but Google is telling me that the most common career paths for people with his degree all either involve working with children or counseling vulnerable populations like the disabled and elderly. Like, even if he's right that employers wouldn't hire him because he's a man, you might think that someone who is so aggressively "realist" about gender issues as hoey purports to be might recognize that there are valid reasons employers would prefer women for those roles, all other things being equal. But I suppose that he's on such a high level of thinking that he's past such petty concerns as "self-awareness."

I suddenly have a lot of questions but only one of them seems really pressing right now:

Did mr. math have a plan going into this field, or did he do a Masters in Developmental Psychology because it is dominated by women (and queer men, probably) and he was hoping to relive his undergraduate fuckboy glory days?
 
I think he is good at responding to dumb leftist/feminist comments, but his own unsolicited posts are autistic rambling.
Considering how dumb leftist ideas are, thats not very hard.
Now, I've heard that employers often slightly prefer male nurses, but that's because nursing frequently involves moving heavy equipment and patients. Not only does that not seem like the case with developmental psychology, but Google is telling me that the most common career paths for people with his degree all either involve working with children or counseling vulnerable populations like the disabled and elderly. Like, even if he's right that employers wouldn't hire him because he's a man, you might think that someone who is so aggressively "realist" about gender issues as hoey purports to be might recognize that there are valid reasons employers would prefer women for those roles, all other things being equal. But I suppose that he's on such a high level of thinking that he's past such petty concerns as "self-awareness."
Id bet all my money he saw himself in a very specific do nothing position pontificating hot air and when that didnt work out got butt hurt instead of becoming a run of the mill social work or case manager.
 
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Id bet all my money he saw himself in a very specific do nothing position pontificating hot air and when that didnt work out got butt hurt instead of becoming a run of the mill social work or case manager.

"What do you mean you won't hire me for the role of Senior Diversity Brochure Model just because I'm a white dude!?"
 
I've been thinking about the information that he has a Masters in Developmental Psychology and complains that he was told that he couldn't get jobs in his field because he's a white man.

When I was in college, developmental psychology was overwhelmingly women, in fact I don't think I met a single dude who was studying it. I know that graduate degrees tilt more towards men than undergrad programs, but I looked it up and it's still like 85% women for Masters in Developmental Psychology. Which is only marginally less than the 88% women getting nursing degrees, and that's including undergrad degrees because I don't feel like digging that hard. It's possible that at the Master's level his program was even more female-dominated than nursing.


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Superchatter asks about hoe_math's academic background

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Undergrad in Communications, (an "offshoot of Psychology")
Grad degree in a "field based on Developmental Psychology"

I clipped this a week or two ago after the OP was finished.

This is from May 2024, where a Quartering superchatter asks about his academic background.

It was significant to me because it seems to be the first time I've seen him acknowledge that his Bachelors degree WASN'T in Psychology, it was in " Communications" (which he tries to pass off as an "offshoot of Psychology" but I'm skeptical).

His Grad degree in the same clip is described as "a field based on Developmental Psychology", not in Dev Psych itself, which again seems like it could be playing fast & loose with the truth.

A lot of hoe_math's "expertise" (other than his 120+ notches-on-the-bedpost lived experience) was taking Ken Wilber Psychology books (Theory of Everything?) out of the library while unemployed during the 2008 subprime mortgage crash. This is what his most famous Levels AQAL chart was adapted from.

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YT, Macken Murphy Sex Fight, Nov 2nd, 2023, 3h44m37s

hoe_math talks about discovering Ken Wilber's Theory of Everything, Spiral Dynamics, Integral Theory, not in school, but while unemployed in 2008 during the recession at the library

His pre-COVID dream job that was robbed from him (presumably in NYC) around 2019-2020 was similarly based more in Communications and not Psychology as he describes it. He talks about how one of the reasons COVID killed it was because it involved dealing directly face-to-face with the public daily.


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He also wrote freelance for local community newspapers for $35 a story during his gig work years, which also is more in keeping with Communications than a Psych background.

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If communications is "an offshoot of psychology," what do we wanna bet that his "field based on Developmental Psychology" is that favorite delaying tactic of every communications major with rich parents and no life direction: a Masters of Business Administration?
 
If communications is "an offshoot of psychology," what do we wanna bet that his "field based on Developmental Psychology" is that favorite delaying tactic of every communications major with rich parents and no life direction: a Masters of Business Administration?

I personally associate "Communications" degrees with sham majors given to NCAA 80 IQ basketball and football players to fulfill the requirements of the "student" part of "student athlete".
 
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like haggot_math's heads for 10 years rent free.

Fuming about a video where a woman said that tradwives maybe should value themselves more
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>Feminism is by definition the hatred of women's optimal roles and the vain pursuit of optimal male roles for women, even at the expense of optimal male roles for men.
Funny he says that when not even few days ago, he was basically negging down women's most "optimal role" aka motherhood and calling it useless if it a "father's direction"
and glazing single fathers.
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and be able bring more to the table than just wearing dress and making sourdough bread
In farming communities and throughout history, women did a bunch of "male" work because it had to be done. For example, a shopkeeper's wife would likely be stocking, cashiering, inventorying, and all that other stuff that comes with being a shopkeeper because he fucking needs employees and she can help. Many wives took male work when males when off to war as societies need someone to fill the working gap. This isn't hard to find, just flip open a history book.

Funny he says that when not even few days ago, he was basically negging down women's most "optimal role" aka motherhood and calling it useless if it a "father's direction"
and glazing single fathers.
So the optimal position of a woman is just a tendie maker and free maid? Can't you just turn gay and have the optimal partner while hiring a housekeeper to cook and clean for you two with your superior male combined income? You can even marry a single father if you want to raise children and make a difference in a kid's life that isn't shitty notebook drawings.
 
I don't care much for people who make a career out of talking about the love game but it's hilarious seeing women get mad at anything they say. This dude seems well articulate all things considered, so to literally just hold up a mirror and go "you're a thot" is enough to make them throw in the incel term towel and leave.
 
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