Homosexuality is evil? How is two consenting men making love in their bedroom evil? Maybe you need to really just worry about your own life (or lack of it) instead of worrying about what consenting adults do with theirs? Just a thought.
It's not evil, but it should never be promoted (and especially not to children) and the culture surrounding it is disgusting. The only promotion of homosexuality is to encourage homosexuals to commit to monogamous marriages where one takes the male role and the other takes the female role (like they mostly already do like diesel dykes and lipstick lesbians/bears vs twinks). I know they have a lot of issues since gays are very promiscuous and lesbians very abusive, but I feel a lot of the problem is that society devalues marriage and encourages homosexuals toward even worse degeneracy than the simple act of gay sex.. A lot of what goes on in pride parades and gay bars, let alone gay bathhouses, should be prosecuted for obscenity and the venues closed down as vectors of infectious disease such as hepatitis, AIDS, and monkeypox.
I didn't mention transgenders, queers, and everything after that because they aren't even part of the LGB. Most are either attention-seeking homosexuals (the most degenerate of the degenerate) or are sexual perverts and fetishists addicted to porn. That group wouldn't exist if gender ideology wasn't glorified in the West. Some are mentally ill and could probably be cured if actual scientists investigated it.
BTW since it was mentioned, Obergefell is a violation of Constitutional principles since the Supreme Court should not be in effect making their own laws. Same with Lawrence v. Texas, Loving v. Virginia, Roe v. Wade, and Griswold v. Connecticut. If you want to make it legal nationwide, you pass a law, not beg unelected judges.
Some people will always be exclusively attracted to the same sex and ideally there should be some kind of social/cultural institution for them which promotes good conduct as citizens and as human beings in general. I think the problem for those of us who aren't into the opposite sex is that the absence of things like marriage, teen / young adult dating norms, rules about how to treat a partner, etc creates a void which is filled by pure, individualistic, animal urges and unrestrained behaviour. The hedonic treadmill sets in and only more and more extreme acts of sex, drugs, drink, other risky behaviours can scratch the itch. Furrthermore, the fact that the alphabet 'community' has emerged in this context means it can only keep pushing its members in this direction while calling it 'liberation'. However, most anti-alphabet people and organisations don't tend to make a point of distinguishing same-sex attraction from same-sex acts and the wider subculture, so all they get is temptation from one side and disgust from the other. The more normal/functioning gays I know are generally the ones that a) are monogamous and b) aren't very involved in the subculture or activism.
I can't see any solution tbh. Even promoting monogamous gay marriages can be convincingly argued to be a slippery slope, and public debate is so polarised now that nobody is proposing any kind of healthy set of rules and structures for people who are attracted to their own sex. These kinds of things probably have to develop organically and there's no way our society is the right soul for such a thing to sprout. Conversion therapy failed to cure SSA, closest thing we have is people entering loveless straight marriages but that also probably won't be a great place to raise children. Suppressing it violently will produce a lot of self-loathing neurotics like yours truly who might not be shoving 20 doses of monkey pox up their backsides every night, but they'll have a ton of other mental issues instead.
However, regardless of the effect on the mental health and physical safety of same-sex attracted people, the LGBTQWERRTYUIOP+-÷//$ degeneracy-pride movement needs to be crushed. It's societal poison.
Would be grand if they kept it in the bedroom and between consenting adults but homosexual men, at a far greater rate than any other romantic union, will tend to engage in unprotected sex in public places or in acts of pederasty.
As it turns out when you remove the moderating influence of female sexual restraint men will struggle to discipline their libido.
evil? maybe
definately stupid and ikky, full of bum parasites and bad aids, hepc, etc.
and they mince around in public waving their tackle at kids.
all over the tv, interwebs, everywhere.
throw from balcony, rinse, repeat until dead.
no more recruiting
I wouldn't know about it being inherently evil. I think that's not quite the word. It needs to be kept controlled like veganism or drug use, so evil isn't exactly the right word, and it needs to be properly gatekept by responsible people against actually evil ideologies like socialism. I like some dudes myself, but most of them are obnoxious, ugly, or disgusting.
However you faggots acting out against OP's autism aren't exactly making yourselves a good case by being a bunch of crying hysteric housewives lmao.
I never would have guessed Western heterosexuals would become so addled and self loathing in the early 21st Century that they'd embrace homo culture and turn it into a trendy and high status thing for themselves. And consider it as perfectly legit to show and teach to children.
They marketed it to women, turning gays from gross dudes and glory holes to their sassy pet gay best friend. They did it through the media and marketing.
Anyway it sucks to be you, to believe that God hates you, that God made you in such a way that you would be an abomination but the Noahide peoples aren't even if they do the same thing, and that no matter how hard you try to become straight, God won't let you because he set you up for a life of suffering. It would almost explain why you're such a sad angry faggot.
I hope things can get better for you. That you join a more tolerant shul, that you come out to your family, that you realize you can have the life you want (i.e. a life as mine.) I hope you feel God's love instead of the shame and self-hatred that bedevil you now. But until then, the person chiefly responsible for your own misery is you.
Anyway, generally: It's OK to be gay. I don't think it's a choice, at least for some people. I don't think one needs to be closeted or celibate to deserve their civil rights as well as a right to be treated with civility. I know that living in shame doesn't actually help, it can only hurt. The Democratic party uses LGBT issues to make themselves look a lot more left-leaning than they are, because it allows them to avoid any discussion of class struggle. I wish they'd stop doing that, but I'm a Christian Socialist, and the Dems are run by capitalists.
I’m sure when the scripture (God’s Word) says in 1 Corinthians 13 which I’m sure you are familiar if you are as you say.
I heard the clanging gong, the symbol, but this doesn’t exactly seem loving.
The matter of homosexuality is pretty definitively summed up in Romans 1; homosexuality is considered impure by God’s standard as laid out in His word.
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts
of their hearts to impurity, to the
dishonoring of their bodies among
themselves, because they exchanged the
truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the
Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
I see you as one who claims the name yet gives “approval to those who practice them” (them being all the consequences of their impure heart, which first and foremost includes homosexual relations).
Also I am a believer, and I am straight in practice; though due to some abuse in my early years I struggle with my sexuality. My God has made it very clear He loves me in spite of my desires, which are born out of evil done to me; as I walk closer and work through my issues, He has helped me immensely, and I am, sure a bit gay, but more straight than gay, I now prefer the opposite sex more as a result of following Him and growing. And I’m happy for the most part with this change.
There is nothing beautiful nor honorable in twisting God’s love to suite your bizarre viewpoint. He loves us as we are, and works on us to be more like Him. Not the other way around where He has to conform to our carnal desires.
God is not a plaything, nor a free ticket to heaven; His love wouldn’t be worth anything if it didn’t heal, fix or otherwise change (for the better). Love is an action, and has results (if the one loved is willing to improve), not just a feeling.
In addition, I can say that I have never felt love from a “Christian” who supports such deviancy, and I do not associate or eat with them. For the lies they speak only bring death. The abject support of homosexuality has done extensive damage to me and those who are like me. Respectfully, you do no one favors when you claim to follow God, then read His Word, and fail to understand one of the core fundamentals of His Word.
Sorry for power leveling, I don’t try to do it often but you really got under my skin. Best of luck with whatever it is you believe.
Its not evil, generally, its just a result of biological error. Its like being born without a limb or a nose or having an extra toe or things like that. Thats pure homosexuality, biologically immutable from birth. Socially cultivated homosexuality is the result of social influences and grooming, generally that one uncle fucking the child and other related phenomenon. That kinda gay is evil, people should be rational actors and should be able to make decisions completely free of social influence affecting their psychology. Its definitely not normal and is just another factor which contributes to the deviation of humanity away from biological existence.
Edit: Idk why the fuck everybodys resorting to religious arguments almost immediately, try to use rationalist arguments please, none of that god shit is going to be useful to study anything in a scenario where you cant prove half the shit related to the nebulous thing called god.
My God has made it very clear He loves me in spite of my desires, which are born out of evil done to me; as I walk closer and work through my issues, He has helped me immensely, and I am, sure a bit gay, but more straight than gay, I now prefer the opposite sex more as a result of following Him and growing. And I’m happy for the most part with this change.
Hope that works out for you, statistically it almost never does (I’ve never heard of faith-based conversion therapies working, even the Exodus International guy eventually came out.)
In addition, I can say that I have never felt love from a “Christian” who supports such deviancy, and I do not associate or eat with them. For the lies they speak only bring death. The abject support of homosexuality has done extensive damage to me and those who are like me. Respectfully, you do no one favors when you claim to follow God, then read His Word, and fail to understand one of the core fundamentals of His Word.
wow you try to tell people that God loves and accepts them as they are and it brings all the amateur junior inquisitors and Monday Morning QBs to the yard. And then they tell you no, you’re wrong, God hates me and here’s why… lmao.
I think it’s you who has missed out on the core of the Word, and you can’t see the forest of God’s love for the trees of individual bits of (outdated, superseded) Jewish law. Example: Jesus forcefully decries divorce, but even the most rabid Catholics these days don’t exclude divorcees from taking communion. If you want to be charitable, Gods love and forgiveness is like that. If you don’t, then the Church is too hard up for membership to be picky about divorce, even though Jesus spoke of it in much more forceful terms than homosexuality (which afaik he doesn’t mention.)
The practice of God’s law and observance of what is holy changes substantially throughout the Old Testament and it is totally revolutionized in the New. If you need your faith to be about staying straight, Chris-Chan style, you do you. But this is a self imposed burden of guilt and anger you put upon yourself. Somewhat like my self-imposed burden of spreading the message of God love to weird kiwis who will dress me down for this extremely centrist doctrine.
Sorry you don’t want to eat (?) with me I guess. Didn’t think I’d invite you to dinner anyway tbh you seem kind of Catholic and tiresome.
The practice of God’s law and observance of what is holy changes substantially throughout the Old Testament and it is totally revolutionized in the New.
I disagree. Certain rules did change, but it doesn’t somehow make shit like murder or theft (or homosexuality) somehow ok.
It’s just now you can eat certain things, and you don’t have to sacrifice shit.
It’s not a burden of guilt, bro it’s not much of a burden at all at this point. I’m chillin’ for the most part.
Also not sure why you brought divorce into this? Divorce isn’t something I’m chill with other than like irrepentant infidelity. Not Catholic, I just believe an infinite God can change people, as I have experienced, so idk what you’re on about.
(Free will plays a huge part into this, since God’s about… doing things if you’re willing to put in the work, or at least seeking Him in that desire to be, you know, in line with what’s right)
Also not sure why you brought divorce into this? Divorce isn’t something I’m chill with other than like irrepentant infidelity. Not Catholic, I just believe an infinite God can change people, as I have experienced, so idk what you’re on about.
(Free will plays a huge part into this, since God’s about… doing things if you’re willing to put in the work, or at least seeking Him in that desire to be, you know, in line with what’s right)
I bring it up as an example of something Jesus explicitly condemns but which modern churches generally tolerate. If divorced straight people can go to church without a dozen retards mobbing them with bits of Scripture like crows in a Hitchcock film, then it is hypocritical and heavy handed to condemn homosexuality.
Do you practice all the other prohibitions of Leviticus? Seems like no given your comment about kosher law (“eating certain things”)
I find it telling that you equate homosexuality to murder and theft.
The 2000 words you’ve written to me so far about why I’m wrong and God definitely hates you would suggest otherwise. I sort of get it, after all, if gay Christians can be righteous without forcing themselves to pretend they are straight, your struggle is about as superfluous as tits on a bull. But it’s very weird and funny to have someone insist to me that God hates them for the way God made them.
Would suggest you go on a date with middleMarch, but I don’t think he’d eat with you either.
I bring it up as an example of something Jesus explicitly condemns but which modern churches generally tolerate. If divorced straight people can go to church without a dozen retards mobbing them with bits of Scripture like crows in a Hitchcock film, then it is hypocritical and heavy handed to condemn homosexuality.
Do you practice all the other prohibitions of Leviticus? Seems like no given your comment about kosher law (“eating certain things”)
I find it telling that you equate homosexuality to murder and theft.
The 2000 words you’ve written to me so far about why I’m wrong and God definitely hates you would suggest otherwise. I sort of get it, after all, if gay Christians can be righteous without forcing themselves to pretend they are straight, your struggle is about as superfluous as tits on a bull. But it’s very weird and funny to have someone insist to me that God hates them for the way God made them.
Would suggest you go on a date with middleMarch, but I don’t think he’d eat with you either.
You’re extremely bad faith, that or you score low on reading comprehension.
Are all of you like this?
I get why the other guy said no more pearls. Have fun bud, I’m not gonna keep letting you sidestep valid points to protect your false theology. Intentionally missing the point though I’ve been pretty straight (lol) with you.
I don’t think it’s sidestepping to bring up a valid example, and if you’re agreeing with Middle Man you really are retarded.
Anyway, you’re being terribly uneven if you take one line from Leviticus to heart (to the point you’re trying to force yourself to stay straight) and don’t regard any of the rest because those rules no longer apply. Either all of them do or none of them do, and the correct answer is none of them do, otherwise Christianity wouldn’t be extended to Gentiles at all. If you want to keep kosher or pretend to be straight go ahead, but to God that’s just a hobby and a distraction from what Christianity is actually about (things like being nice, making the world a better place, forgiveness etc.)
I didn’t really want to keep talking to you either so cheers and enjoy your voluntary celibacy (or whatever it is you’re doing) because you think what gets your dick hard is more important to God than faith, grace, or righteous action.
Well, yes. If it involves consenting adults and ONLY consenting adults, then there are no victims and it's not a crime. It's none of your business either.
You literally get all sorts of horrible diseases from committing it.
"Two consenting adults! and they can use a condom"
You can get all sorts of horrible diseases from shoving your dick into anything. Including a good old heterosexual pipe cleaning with a woman.
You can literally use that excuse for all sorts of disgusting actions such as incest and scat fetishism, yet society at large doesn't accept those actions and considers them degenerate and deviant for insulting what we know as normal healthy sexual relations. If society at large can't accept something into it, then that's a sign something is bad.
Comparing homosexual encounters to incest is a bit of a reach, don't you think? Scat, though... maybe? I'd wager butt-fucking involves discovering the odd nugget of shit here and there and it doesn't seem to turn them off, so I'm on the fence on that one. But what society says is generally the opposite of what society does when they believe nobody is watching.
And you do realize that with the acceptance of homosexuality, other worse things came along, and that's them bringing it to schools and having drag queens shake their asses in front of actual children. The acceptance of homosexuality has led to the acceptance of pedophilia.
The good old slippery slope fallacy. I recall in the early 90's how boomers went on about how accepting gays in society would lead to attempts to normalize pedophilia. Well here we are, chud. It's 2023 and as you all can see there hasn't been any.... wait... oh dear.
I think there is a legitimate debate to had here. Attempts to normalize pedophilia and getting it accepted.. unfortunately they do happen. And nine times out of ten, when we see it, we see it under the banner of the alphabet soup. When noise was made about making sexual assault against minors punishable by death, who was the first to cry about it?
So what's the deal here? Is it the slippery slope the boomers from the 90s predicted? Is it simply weirdos trying to hijack the success gay rights accomplished? A combination of both?
