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A Nightmare on Elm Street rating change defended by BBFC​

Certificate lowered from 18 to 15 after 1980s classic is deemed ‘relatively discreet in terms of gore and injury detail’

The British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) has defended its decision to change the certificate of horror film A Nightmare on Elm Street from an 18 to a 15, saying that its audience research showed “strong support for older content to be reclassified in line with modern standards”.

The classic 1980s horror, featuring the malevolent, razor-gloved Freddy Krueger who stalks and murders teenagers in their dreams, was given an 18 certificate on its first UK release in 1985, a designation confirmed on a subsequent cinema release in 2013 and a series of home entertainment releases. However, after a new application from its studio Warner Bros, the certificate was changed to a 15 on 1 August, ahead of a home entertainment reissue in September.


A spokesperson told the Guardian: “At the BBFC, we review the classification of older films when they are submitted to us by the distributor, typically ahead of an upcoming rerelease. When doing so, we apply our current standards as set out in our published Classification Guidelines. These guidelines evolve over time, informed by large-scale research, most recently involving 12,000 people, to ensure they continue to reflect the expectations of UK audiences. As a result, films may require a higher or lower age rating than they received in the past.”

The most recent set of guidelines was issued in March 2024, in which the BBFC acknowledged that “people are more concerned about violence across all the age rating categories … around distressing and disturbing forms of intense or realistic violence”. However, a BBFC spokesperson says that audiences’ primary concern is related to portrayals of “real-world violence” and that “modern audiences tend to be more accepting of violent scenes which are more fantastical in nature”.

The spokesperson added: “In the case of A Nightmare on Elm Street, although the film features various bloody moments, it is relatively discreet in terms of gore and stronger injury detail. The kills often leave more to the imagination than visceral detail, and largely occur within a fantasy context. Compared to more recent precedents for violence and horror [classified] at 18 – such as Halloween, Thanksgiving, Immaculate or Saw X – the film is now containable at 15 and we reclassified it accordingly.”

The BBFC also explained other recent instances of where film certificates have been altered due to changing priorities for audiences. The 1937 drama A Star Is Born, starring Janet Gaynor and Fredric March, was changed to a 12 certificate from a U due to the decision of March’s character to kill himself. The Lee Marvin/Clint Eastwood musical Paint Your Wagon, originally released in 1969, contains frequent references to sex and has been reclassified from a PG to a 12. The 1986 stalker thriller The Hitcher, featuring Rutger Hauer, has, like A Nightmare on Elm Street, been downgraded from an 18 to a 15. Likewise, the Tom Cruise teen movie Risky Business – in which he hires a sex worker and subsequently runs a brothel from his home – as the film does not contain graphic sex.

 
Shit if Elm Street 1 is PG-15 or whatever, all this new horror bullshit needs to be G-rated. Ti West might as well be a kids movie director.

I mean I agree with the changes just surprised to hear it. Especially from the BBCucks.
Well it's got a naked girl getting sliced to death and a guy ground up into a slushie. It seems like a fairly hard R (the other kind) compared to some of the stuff the MPAA was butchering in the 80s, not that they're models of consistency. otoh, this is coming from the country that gave us Video Nasties and banned some pretty soft stuff. I thought the UK was under sharia law now so it's a bit surprising.

EDIT: I have drain bamage and somehow thought you were saying PG-15 was too high a rating for NOES's content, but anyways
 
Well it's got a naked girl getting sliced to death and a guy ground up into a slushie. It seems like a fairly hard R (the other kind) compared to some of the stuff the MPAA was butchering in the 80s, not that they're models of consistency. otoh, this is coming from the country that gave us Video Nasties and banned some pretty soft stuff. I thought the UK was under sharia law now so it's a bit surprising.

EDIT: I have drain bamage and somehow thought you were saying PG-15 was too high a rating for NOES's content, but anyways
The chick getting dragged across the ceiling is not nude. She's wearing a skimpy outfit but she's not nude. The most nudity you get is some brief Heather Langenkamp side-titty during the bathtub scene (shudder).

Since a 4K is coming soon, does this mean the fully uncut version will get re-released? The only difference is a couple of seconds during Tina's death and we get a few more seconds of Johnny Depp's bloodbed.
 
The chick getting dragged across the ceiling is not nude. She's wearing a skimpy outfit but she's not nude. The most nudity you get is some brief Heather Langenkamp side-titty during the bathtub scene (shudder).

Since a 4K is coming soon, does this mean the fully uncut version will get re-released? The only difference is a couple of seconds during Tina's death and we get a few more seconds of Johnny Depp's bloodbed.
It has been announced that the 4k will have both theatrical and uncut versions. Source.
 
I watched the following horror movies released in 2023 recently:

1. Starve Acre
It was bad and boring and the ending was very unsatisfying. They should make all immigrants to England watch it, all the blacks and browns will leave again willingly thinking whuite devils be crazy n shiet.

2. Cobweb
It was pretty good, sufficiently spooky. The ending was not good but apparently that's because they got cucked during Covid.

3. Bird Box: Barcelona
I didn't expect much from the sequel but they actually managed to do something new with it and I thought it was pretty good actually. Probably my favorite recent horror movie I have watched.

4. The Black Demon
I expected this to be "so bad it's funny" but it was actually pretty good?! I like shark movies.

5. Vermines
Perfectly encapsulates the horror of living in an apartment with non-whites. Probably some racism allegory they were trying to make but horribly backfired because it just shows that non-whites are fucking awful to live around.

6. Unseen
Horrible. Don't bother.
 
On the topic of school shooter movies, Duck! The Carbine High Massacre is an old favorite of mine. Not a found footage movie, but it's surprisingly well done for what is really just an exploitative attempt to cash in on the Columbine massacre.
 
On the topic of school shooter movies, Duck! The Carbine High Massacre is an old favorite of mine. Not a found footage movie, but it's surprisingly well done for what is really just an exploitative attempt to cash in on the Columbine massacre.
It's definitely a time capsule of a very specific moment in history. Pretty well made for a SOV exploitation flick with a $100 budget though. I remember it being quite a hot topic in the independent horror scene around the time of its release, but it's almost completely forgotten today. The 2 main guys responsible for making it got in some legal hot water for bringing firearms to a real school they filmed at. Features Misty Mundae playing a chaste Christian girl!
 
It has been announced that the 4k will have both theatrical and uncut versions. Source.
Exciting. Means I get to take my younger brother to it. Ratings boards should do this more often. I was desperate for him to see Natural Born Killers (he likes it a lot) but the cinema it was on at is strict with ages. Pretty much no other cinema is in the area except for the pretentious arty one.
 
I saw Trap today. It was pretty okay, not too terrible. Always a coin flip with Shyamalan but this one turned out decently enough.

There was no huge twist, at least not the typical Shyamalan level twist here which was a pleasant surprise. The ending sort of dragged on though, and there was like, three false endings where it seemed like he was going to be caught, but got away through increasingly implausible means.
 
Sorry to double post, but I saw Horror in the High Desert 3 and for anyone still curious, Pitbull Victim is entirely right.

We don't get any real answers to anything. We keep getting these teases of how unusual "they" look and everything, but that's it. No actual concrete answers that tells us what the hell is going on.

I should note that a fourth and fifth entry are being worked on, so maybe the plot can still be salvaged...
 
Finally saw The Outwaters. Probably the best "found footage horror" I've seen since the original Blair Witch Project. Recommendations are welcome, I haven't seen that many.

Negatives would be the very slow first act, especially because the relationship dynamics between the four characters are established for 25 minutes with no payoff. With the way it develops the four people could be perfect strangers for all it would impact the plot.

Positives are, setting aside its relentless mysteriousness and ultra-graphic thrills, the cinematography and sound design are incredibly good, especially for this subgenre that typically sticks to dry and purposely amateurish film structures in my experience. The endless beauty of the location and the experimental whimsy of the filmmaker come together to create a fucked up descent into hell that I couldn't take my eyes off for a second.

There are parts of this film that are burned into my mind now, which is not something I can say for a lot of other newer movies.
I have to admit man, I spent about the first hour and twenty minutes of this movie contemplating the best way to track you down so I could slap you silly. I don't know how you could tell the cinematography was good given 90% of the actual movie is pitch black outside of the half a foot flashlight radius. It was basically half an hour of some stranger's instagrams followed by fifty minutes of fucking glimpses of madness I probably would find terrifying if I could actually see it.

But then the director remembered he was supposed to be making a film with a plot, and that... That was something. Positive words seem inappropriate (aside from for the special effects and sound effects, and yeah when I could see it the cinematography was fantastic) but I was likewise glued to the screen and it was definitely burned into my mind. I'm worried I missed something during the first hour and a half though, how would you explain the ending?

My reading is they went to a spot where the government had tested some crazy reality breaking shit that's basically trapped 3 of them in a The Endless style bubble, but with flesh monsters. And the main dude is also trapped but after he finds what might be a roasted donkey and might be a giant crab, I have no fucking idea because he held the flashlight so close I never saw more than an inch of it at a time, he then he gets captured by the worm creatures and is reborn with more control over it. He's able to return to earlier points semi deliberately while the others are just tumbling through space time, so he tries to end their suffering (the presentation of him navigating realities was outstanding) but he's also fucking crazy now so he does it by killing them, putting their heads on spikes and then cutting his own cock off and disemboweling himself.

I can't recommend The Outwaters, but it did teach me that I was wrong when I said I prefer found footage films where everything remains diegetic rather than following a typical narrative structure, even if it impairs understanding. I need at least enough structure so that I'm not watching 25 minutes of idiots giggling and eating and singing countless different songs about hushabying babies because it would be unrealistic if the recovered memory cards were exclusively a pinhole camera nightmare.
 
You ever expect a movie to really suck, and then you watch it and it turns out it really sucks? That's how We're All Going to the World's Fair is working out...
 
The only horror I actually tolerate is natural in nature. "Oh fuck, fell down a hole, no way back" or "Only way out is down" type shit. What're some good movies for this? The Descent was really good until the whole "cannibals living in the mountains" idiocy.
 
I might've fucked up bros. I went back to college to get my degree and decided to go to the horror club since I suck at making friends. Zoomers are truly cooked when it comes to horror. The plan is to cover shit like liminal horror by watching video essays , most of the people there are way into online horror (Modern ARGs and Analog Horror). Also got asked my pronouns the first time in my life, the tranny shit doesn't usually bother me like most people on the farms but when half the room is going by "they" it is just fucked. I just wanna talk about my shitty horror movies with people and I'm walking on pins and needles to not misgender a nigga and get banned. Should I bail, there are some regular dudes and hot chicks but the "vibes" are way off. Just posting for you all to pray for me and ask if there are alternative ways to meet up with fans like conventions and shit.
 
The only horror I actually tolerate is natural in nature. "Oh fuck, fell down a hole, no way back" or "Only way out is down" type shit. What're some good movies for this? The Descent was really good until the whole "cannibals living in the mountains" idiocy.
I'm not sure if this counts, but years ago I saw a movie called Burning Bright about a girl and her little brother trying to survive a tiger that gets in their house during a storm. It was okay as a one time watch, from what I recall. The ending was a little goofy.
 
I might've fucked up bros. I went back to college to get my degree and decided to go to the horror club since I suck at making friends. Zoomers are truly cooked when it comes to horror. The plan is to cover shit like liminal horror by watching video essays , most of the people there are way into online horror (Modern ARGs and Analog Horror). Also got asked my pronouns the first time in my life, the tranny shit doesn't usually bother me like most people on the farms but when half the room is going by "they" it is just fucked. I just wanna talk about my shitty horror movies with people and I'm walking on pins and needles to not misgender a nigga and get banned. Should I bail, there are some regular dudes and hot chicks but the "vibes" are way off. Just posting for you all to pray for me and ask if there are alternative ways to meet up with fans like conventions and shit.
Horror circles have always been a magnet for 'alt' sub cultures. If you want to suck tranny dick than that's your choice.

Has anything been released this year worth watching? No pronouns or black girl boss stuff please.
 
The only horror I actually tolerate is natural in nature. "Oh fuck, fell down a hole, no way back" or "Only way out is down" type shit. What're some good movies for this?
Out of Darkness is a good new one, a survival horror set 45,000 years in the past. Crawl from 2019 is cool too, set in Florida during a massive hurricane where the floodwaters wash in huge gators. Manages to rise above the big animal subgenre slop.

 
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