/horror/ general megathread - Let's talk about movies and shit.

[Kofi Drinka]

Just finished Hellraiser Deader. The 7th movie and I liked it but you can tell it was another script they put the Hellraiser name on, which kind of spoils it as the original concept was good. We're once again back to "Is this real or not?" but then it doesn't matter because the box is involved. We know the person isn't insane because this is the 7th goddamn movie.

I consider the movie to be a 4/10. It's just below average but it has some beautiful shots and an engaging story so it's not unwatchable just not good. If you like tits and some lesbo action it's got you covered. The heroine has no tits and spends some of the movie showing her knockers. But there's like 20 shots of tits in this movie.

It has one of the funniest Pinhead lines in the franchise when someone has 4 chains through their face. They're about to get shoved into the box face first and he's like "yes, you really are in danger".. well fuck me. 4 chains through the face didn't give that away?

Spoiler: If you nose you nose.

I did not like the child rape story. I really didn't like Pinhead threatening a woman with being fucked by her Dad for all eternity. It didn't feel like something Pinhead would do. Yes he's evil, yes he will punish you for your sins. But innocence was never punished. If an innocent opened the box they were left alone like the autistic girl in 2. Making you have to be a lonely degenerate to open the box fucks that up. And why would Pinhead go full Stephen King and reward a child rapist with his daughter to fuck for all eternity? Is the torture having a sore dick? Total misunderstanding of the concept IMO.

How can you cuck Pinhead out of your soul? He will just chain your hands before you can hurt yourself. The way he kills the deaders is stupid but whatever. Suicide is also a sin so she is going to Hell either way. The box exploding was stupid. It didn't need to happen.

This is an engaging movie. It has a lot more Pinhead in it doesn't hit the mark. Saw and Hostel are clearly on the way when this is being produced and it can't decide if it's 90's psycho thriller, 2000s torture porn or edgy Hackers. It even reminded me of I spit on your grave sequels because it's filmed in Eastern Europe to save money.

 

[Aib Ld]

I'm late to the sex and violence talk but I was thinking on that for a while.

Spoiler: probably autism

I think the problem is both the audience and the film-makers.
Most film makers for horror aren't making 'horror', they are making a movie that happens to have horror elements. The gore effects feel tacked on, the monster is either nonsensical or some metaphor, jumpscares galore, and so on. They're horror movies that make no sense. Throw everything into the wall and see what sticks. They want to play it safe... in a genre you shouldn't be playing safe with.
Back then, there are horror movies that make sense. Alien? You're getting a sexual horror movie mixed with violence. Exorcist? A movie with a exorcist trying to help a girl that gets mentally and emotionally destroyed over the film by a demon. Vampires are also one of the classic monsters for a combo of sex and violence.
Meanwhile, if you look a random modern movie, it either
1. loses the premise past the first act. Like Passenger. If you expected a horror movie about a road trip by the title, poster and/or trailer, you get a religious movie with horror elements instead filled with nonsensical gore to get your attention back. Holy fuck, it was night and day watching this after Obsession.
2. Absolute shit but has a good scene or two, mostly at the ending. So audiences can go "[x] is good because of the ending" and nothing else. No description of the actual movie. Just "watch for [x] scene". I noticed this a lot but I don't know if it is a psychological trick.

But nobody wants to do something with pure evil. Evil Dead usually begins with someone with being raped because of the evil presence having a laugh before freeing demons. As in, actual pieces of shit demons. There are no such thing as 'too far' for them. Back then, when I saw Evil Dead Rise, when the rape was replaced with the woman getting lifted by wires and that was it, I knew it was going to be shit and it would be a 'safe' movie, and the demons wouldn't be demons.

By the audience side, nobody feels sincere.
Feet shots used to mean an earthly character, a shoe-first introduction where the camera scrolls up like femme fatales, or a Tarantino riff. Now its all "Is this a [x] fetish?".
Any specific gore or a character doing a sexual taboo is a fetish. Narrative tricks are seen as quirks. Characters having developments are seen as retcons. Anthology films are seen as connected, despite being unrelated. So on, so forth. Pair these with modern directors and there is a huge disconnect.
They also want movies to be lore filled instead of self-contained. Curry Baker with the recent Obsession fame even shows this in an interview, saying something like "you guys have pretty good theories and I love them but theres no need to ask me for confirmation on your views. I just want to show a monkey paw movie about a wish. its not that deep".

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Twisting that back on it's self.

Why do you think it's good to be extreme and push the taboo? Horror movies were very subversive and pushed by Hollywood. We ended up having to regulate how bad they were getting and now Evil dead has nothing on Mortal Kombat or Sniper elite games.


Why do you think horror films need to be subversive and taboo breaking? Why can't a horror film just be a good creature feature or a comedy? I don't like much modern horror but I do wonder how you can even push the boundaries. It's not like you can top a father raping his own child son unknowingly or creating an ass to mouth human chain. Outside of real snuff films and saying nigger there's no taboos left.

 

[Aib Ld]

Twisting that back on it's self.

Why do you think it's good to be extreme and push the taboo? Horror movies were very subversive and pushed by Hollywood. We ended up having to regulate how bad they were getting and now Evil dead has nothing on Mortal Kombat or Sniper elite games.

It feels like modern horror movies have to be taboo for some reason instead of being a movie. I have no problem if it was already established that it was going to be extreme within reason ala Green Inferno. A group of newbie ecologists decides to visit a tribe of savages beyond their level. You know what will happen next by the plot alone.
Meanwhile, in Lee Cronin's Mummy, you get unnecessary scenes like a scorpion cutting off vocal chords and the person has to keep her throat in to speak for some weird reason. It never made sense in-universe, just did it like "fuck that guy in particular" and its not even done for black comedy. Its like that Jurassic World movie where the woman gets eaten by the Mosasaurus out of nowwhere. You can cut it off and nothing changes. That scene is just... there.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

It feels like modern horror movies have to be taboo for some reason instead of being a movie. I have no problem if it was already established that it was going to be extreme within reason ala Green Inferno. A group of newbie ecologists decides to visit a tribe of savages beyond their level. You know what will happen next by the plot alone.
Meanwhile, in Lee Cronin's Mummy, you get unnecessary scenes like a scorpion cutting off vocal chords and the person has to keep her throat in to speak for some weird reason. It never made sense in-universe, just did it like "fuck that guy in particular" and its not even done for black comedy. Its like that Jurassic World movie where the woman gets eaten by the Mosasaurus out of nowwhere. You can cut it off and nothing changes. That scene is just... there.

What modern horror are you watching? More of them are boring slow burn leftist political pieces. They aren't shocking, they're just boring. White man bad is the most common modern thing in horror.