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Val Lewton movies are what it's all about. The original Cat People is great, and so is the sequel Curse of the Cat People. But I think my favorite is Seventh Victim.
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Not just the actual tribes, but the cast and crew ate those animals as well. Cannibal Holocaust is an authentic film, they actually went into the fucking tropical jungles and filmed the movie. They didn't have catering or any of that shit in the middle of the jungle so they had to hunt and eat their kills to survive. That's just how it is. The animals were going to be killed regardless of the cameras rolling or not.
Another aspect about the animals deaths in the movie that's lost to people is the actual artistic function of them in the film in the first place. The animals deaths are unquestionably real and hard to watch, you spend the whole movie seeing the characters kill and eat these animals so when Hell breaks loose on our main characters and they start getting brutally killed and eaten just like those animals and you actually believe that what you are seeing is real, the fact that it's shot on actual handheld film out in the jungle as if it's real found footage really adds to the effect, they wanted everything to be as real as possible. There's no other experience like this in a horror movie, especially if you go into Cannibal Holocaust blind with no idea what it is like I did when I first watched it ages ago.
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I watched episodes 1-4 of the Ed Gein miniseries, didn't like it but ymmv.
It is boring and gross and never stops stepping on its own dick. The structure of the show has the Hollywood-accurate "true story" of Gein intercut at first with live action Ilse She Wolf of the SS scenes* and holocaust imagery, then later with Hitchcock's production of Psycho, and then Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The point of this is to show how Ed Gein influenced American horror media and became a folk boogeyman, but the show never stays on Gein long enough to let you get immersed in his story before you're dumped back into the b-plot with an underutilized Tom Hollander in bad makeup, some gay crying about liking cock, and an annoying hippie who can't wait in line. There isn't enough to the Gein story to get 8 episodes, but this was not the way to stretch it out. They needed to tell the Gein story in the first 4-5 episodes, then slowly spiral it up in the 2nd half of the series with how the Gein story was digested by American culture and influenced media. How the disgusting and quietly depraved reality of Gein got spun into more and more sensational fiction because that's easier to understand that the real story of Gein. The first half would need to focus on Gein's relationship with his mother, how his paraphilias developed and his fantasies eventually consumed him and how the local people reacted to his crimes. They clumsily rush through this in the show, to get to the sensational stuff. It seems like the story the showrunners wanted tell are the Hitchcock, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, whatever is in episodes 5-8 side-stories; Hollywood wanted to tell a story about themselves because that's who they find the most fascinating and we must also find them so interesting and important. I don't fucking care about Hollywood or its creatures; I want to see a portrayal of what it would be like for a community to find out that they have an Ed Gein in their midst before Ed Gein, Gacy, Dahmer, and the rest of the 20th century serial killer pantheon had entered popular culture.
The show takes his noncanonical kills (mostly local disappearances that he was only loosely linked to) and portrays them as over the top horror movie kills. There is a distracting addition of a real life semi-girlfriend that Gein knew for years and proposed marriage to; the show goes fictional when she says yes instead of no, it is clear from this point forward in the show that you are dealing with Gein's delusional fantasy of how that relationship would have played out if she had accepted his proposal and I'm supposed to think that this is an oh so clever twist when I assume it's revealed later in the show fuck you. They trade cheap sugar rushes of splashy deaths of the noncanonical victims for something that would have had a better payoff in a show driven by tension and dread: show people going missing in the community over the years and then later after Gein's caught have the locals imaginations run wild wondering if he's the killer and what depravity the missing could have fallen victim to. Instead we have Ozempic Jax chasing some lost Elmer Fudds with a chainsaw, it makes Gein a joke.
By including the noncanonical kills and removing ambiguity regarding the brother's death, the show makes Gein into a Hollywood horror fiend and misses the point of why Gein is so disturbing to people. The quantity and nature of his kills aren't noteworthy, then or now, it's the grave robbing and violation of the dead by turning them into materials for his fetish that makes him one of the original true crime boogeyman. He could have killed no one and just sewn the mommy suit and he'd have the same place in modern imagination. He was a quiet, odd bachelor with an autistic fascination with unusual topics (murder, holocaust, shrunken heads) and an insufferable enmeshed mother everyone was glad to see go in the ground. Everyone knows a few of these, or has one in their family (my current friend who fits the bill is too fucking lazy to sew a titty teacozy, let alone a suit, so I'm safe). Gein was similar to a weirdo we all know, but he inexplicably murdered two casual acquaintances, treated them like deer kills and spent a decade robbing graves for rotted flesh crafting materials that he used to decorate his house, and no one left in his life noticed or cared that he'd gone catastrophically off the rails. What's the weird cousin up to that we don't know about? There was an opportunity here to explore this; what do paraphilic weirdos do when they lose touch with morality and human connection, decide to do what they want and have the space and privacy to really indulge in the thing that they've let consume their life. Hunnam does not have the acting ability to pull off carrying a show for 4+ episodes without an ADHD cut to self-indulgent Hollywood fawning every 10 minutes, they should have found a character actor who could (probably 2: young and '57 era Gein). He's fine for the show we got, since he doesn't have to do much except whisper (he did a good job with the gross whisper voice, it's one of the only ok parts of the show).
Positives: The 1950s Americana and midwest rural scenery is pleasing to look at. The fantasy murder girlfriend does a decent job in her role. Mother was fantastic, gone too soon.
I may finish it just to see if they give the reactions of the Plainfield neighbors and cops more than five minutes of screen time after Gein is caught, but I'm sure sole screen writer Ian Brennan, fucking creator of Glee, will get bored with the midwest plebs and cut to how this influenced the genius auteur Eli Roth or something equally stupid. Hollywood created another blithering fluff show/film about themselves, I'm so glad it's dying.
Edit: Finished it, doesn't get any better. I was wrong about the murder girlfriend being a hallucination, I was retarded and based that theory on the premise that the screenwriter would not be such an utter scumbag as to take a real life woman who dated Gein for a brief time and spin her story into serial killer prison pen pall groupie level of hybristophile. They had her picking out a corpse for Gein to fuck for Christ sake, Ian Brennan is a fucking piece of shit. They never properly built the Gein character and squander all the tension with b-story in the first part, so the second half flops flat. I get the impression that they couldn't figure out how to characterize Gein and were too lazy to do the work, so they threw shit everywhere to get to 8 episodes. @Your Starter for 10 has the correct attitude to enjoy this stinker, maybe I just hated fun this weekend.
* I'd really like to know the story behind how this got in the script. Someone with a Nazi fetish told on themselves here and were important enough that they couldn't be said no to.
The show takes his noncanonical kills (mostly local disappearances that he was only loosely linked to) and portrays them as over the top horror movie kills. There is a distracting addition of a real life semi-girlfriend that Gein knew for years and proposed marriage to; the show goes fictional when she says yes instead of no, it is clear from this point forward in the show that you are dealing with Gein's delusional fantasy of how that relationship would have played out if she had accepted his proposal and I'm supposed to think that this is an oh so clever twist when I assume it's revealed later in the show fuck you. They trade cheap sugar rushes of splashy deaths of the noncanonical victims for something that would have had a better payoff in a show driven by tension and dread: show people going missing in the community over the years and then later after Gein's caught have the locals imaginations run wild wondering if he's the killer and what depravity the missing could have fallen victim to. Instead we have Ozempic Jax chasing some lost Elmer Fudds with a chainsaw, it makes Gein a joke.
By including the noncanonical kills and removing ambiguity regarding the brother's death, the show makes Gein into a Hollywood horror fiend and misses the point of why Gein is so disturbing to people. The quantity and nature of his kills aren't noteworthy, then or now, it's the grave robbing and violation of the dead by turning them into materials for his fetish that makes him one of the original true crime boogeyman. He could have killed no one and just sewn the mommy suit and he'd have the same place in modern imagination. He was a quiet, odd bachelor with an autistic fascination with unusual topics (murder, holocaust, shrunken heads) and an insufferable enmeshed mother everyone was glad to see go in the ground. Everyone knows a few of these, or has one in their family (my current friend who fits the bill is too fucking lazy to sew a titty teacozy, let alone a suit, so I'm safe). Gein was similar to a weirdo we all know, but he inexplicably murdered two casual acquaintances, treated them like deer kills and spent a decade robbing graves for rotted flesh crafting materials that he used to decorate his house, and no one left in his life noticed or cared that he'd gone catastrophically off the rails. What's the weird cousin up to that we don't know about? There was an opportunity here to explore this; what do paraphilic weirdos do when they lose touch with morality and human connection, decide to do what they want and have the space and privacy to really indulge in the thing that they've let consume their life. Hunnam does not have the acting ability to pull off carrying a show for 4+ episodes without an ADHD cut to self-indulgent Hollywood fawning every 10 minutes, they should have found a character actor who could (probably 2: young and '57 era Gein). He's fine for the show we got, since he doesn't have to do much except whisper (he did a good job with the gross whisper voice, it's one of the only ok parts of the show).
Positives: The 1950s Americana and midwest rural scenery is pleasing to look at. The fantasy murder girlfriend does a decent job in her role. Mother was fantastic, gone too soon.
I may finish it just to see if they give the reactions of the Plainfield neighbors and cops more than five minutes of screen time after Gein is caught, but I'm sure sole screen writer Ian Brennan, fucking creator of Glee, will get bored with the midwest plebs and cut to how this influenced the genius auteur Eli Roth or something equally stupid. Hollywood created another blithering fluff show/film about themselves, I'm so glad it's dying.
Edit: Finished it, doesn't get any better. I was wrong about the murder girlfriend being a hallucination, I was retarded and based that theory on the premise that the screenwriter would not be such an utter scumbag as to take a real life woman who dated Gein for a brief time and spin her story into serial killer prison pen pall groupie level of hybristophile. They had her picking out a corpse for Gein to fuck for Christ sake, Ian Brennan is a fucking piece of shit. They never properly built the Gein character and squander all the tension with b-story in the first part, so the second half flops flat. I get the impression that they couldn't figure out how to characterize Gein and were too lazy to do the work, so they threw shit everywhere to get to 8 episodes. @Your Starter for 10 has the correct attitude to enjoy this stinker, maybe I just hated fun this weekend.
* I'd really like to know the story behind how this got in the script. Someone with a Nazi fetish told on themselves here and were important enough that they couldn't be said no to.
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The production costs are 50 million. The marketing costs probably around 25 million. So total is 75 million. The break even point would be 187.5 million because the average box office split between theaters and distributors is 50-50. That means that the distributor for Civil War netted 60 million on a 75 million dollar film.
Him being tied to an Elden Ring movie means nothing. Gosling was tied to a Star Wars film that never even reached pre-production. Hollywood works through agents and publicists trying to keep their client’s names in the running.
For Candyman, same as what I said about Civil War.
Never said she was part of the initial pitch. I said she has been given this last chance to salvage her career.
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Went to Halloween Horror Nights Orlando this weekend. I had fun. It's been 5+ years since I was last at HHN so I'm not sure how it compares to recent iterations.
Will go next year, but probably won't do Scream Early.
We got the Express pass and the Scream Early pass. I have always considered Express passes a must in order to be able to do every house (which is my goal if I'm taking the trouble to go to Orlando) and this year yet again validated this belief. The lines for FNAF and Terrifier, both popular IPs at the front of the park, were 120+ mins every time I checked, and I find theme park lines in excess of an hour to be unbearable. Scream Early was interesting, but many houses don't open until a half hour or sooner before the event opens to general admission, so it's more useful if you want to shop and eat before the event crowds.
We did every house, ate a bit, rode a few rides, and walked through a couple of the scare zones. We didn't end up seeing a show. The Mummy still kicks ass and Gringotts still makes me motion sick (although the theming of the queue is impressive). It's gross and depressing that Minions theming and rides take up such a large chunk of park real estate (including where the classic Monster Cafe used to sit). The Rip Ride Rockit is mid-demolition and I have no clue what they're going to be able to put there. The construction zone blocks out the rear left corner of the park, where there's usually a queue or two during HHN. As a result, the crowds for four different houses enter and exit through one alleyway. One of our group is a Disney adult and wouldn't shut the fuck up about how the food and rides are better at Disney (they aren't).
Wyatt Sicks - I don't watch WWE and I don't know anything about these characters. Had very low expectations. It ended up being pretty fun. You walk through the backstage of WWE and into some alternate realm/dream world ruled by these characters. The set design and jumpscares were good. A hillbilly in a rabbit mask wielding a hammer "spit" in my face. I would describe the vibe as a combination of Rob Zombie and Saw. They had a truly massive queue built out and clearly expected this house to be much more popular than it actually was. 4/5.
FNAF - The actual scares are in short supply but the sets and animatronics are quite impressive for a house. You go through various rooms inspired by scenes from the movie. Lots of arcade smells. You could go into this house knowing nothing about FNAF and still follow most of it; it's clearly established that you are working as a night security guard for a closed-down pizza joint and then spooks start happening. 4/5
El Artista - An original. A Spanish artist moves to a mansion in the remote countryside to work on his art and his art comes alive and possesses him. Why? Is the house haunted? Is he cursed by a demon? I don't need a 3 act structure to a house but I do like to know what I'm looking at. There was audio of the artist speaking, I presume explaining what was going on, but you can't hear it above people screaming and the other sound effects. The weakest house this year. Some of the sets were cool. 1/5
Grave of Flesh - An original, also with a confusing premise. You die and are hunted by flesh eaters. Why? I'm dead, what do I care if they eat my flesh? Are they demonic? Alien? You walk into a graveyard, then under a graveyard, then through tunnels in the earth, then to hell I think? Or maybe an alien plane? 2/5
Terrifier - The grossest house, a compliment. I haven't seen the movies but it appears that you are walking through various scenes from the movies. You go through a bathroom scene where there are piles of feces and it reeks of poo. One of the toilets squirted into my eyes and mouth. Near the end of the house, the path splits into a wet path and a dry path. We took the wet path. "Blood" drips onto you from above. Art menaces you throughout the house although imo he could have popped out more. As there is at least one tableau mid-house where Art is clearly dead, I was confused on if he's human, demonic, or a series of humans (like Ghostface). 3/5
Jason - Strongest IP house by far, one of the strongest houses of the year. Longest house too. You go through various scenes from the movies although Space Jason isn't there. Smells, sounds, and feels (soft ground) like you're walking through the woods and into and out of cabins at the park. Jason pops out a lot and is well-hidden prior to the spooks. Everyone knows who this big guy is. 5/5
Fallout - I was confused when it was announced and it didn't impress. Despite meriting animatronics and a more robust set, it was relegated to a sprung tent instead of a soundstage. I was kind of hoping they would expand on and "creepify" concepts from the show (human trafficking, ghouls going feral, vault experiments, etc.) but no it's just disjointed scenes from the show. And the show's not scary. Dogmeat doesn't make an appearance. The vault sets are good so it goes from a 1/5 to a 2/5.
Galkin - An original. One of the strongest houses. A Nordic witch was executed and thrown into a cave, but she survived and is returning for revenge with some monster minions, powering up as her monsters slaughter the villagers. Near the end of the house, we entered the body of a 20-foot tall animatronic beast, walking through its guts. Very cool. 5/5
Dolls -An original. Very strong. You're shrunk down to doll size, put into a doll house, and hunted by dolls that have been maimed by their owner. The sets were great and did a good job of making you feel small. Smells of burning plastic and crayons and chocolate. Long house. 5/5
Hatches & Chains - An original. I think these characters have appeared in other original houses before. Two demon-hunters confront demons who are running amuck in a Wild West town. The outdoor façade is very nice: old-timey worn Western house, burnt and disemboweled corpses in the yard, in the well, hanging from the roof, a rotting horse. The premise of the house was confusing. The demons were summoned by something or someone but it's not clear who or why. Chains is a human but Hatchet is a demon? Why is a demon helping a human? At some point there's lava or a volcano or something. Wtf? 2/5
Food & Merch - I haven't been to Universal or HHN in some time and they have stepped up their merchandising. I always get a general HHN shirt but there were plenty of options for people who wanted things themed after the original HHN characters this year or the featured IPs. They have more themed food and drinks than I remembered. Tons of cocktails and mocktails. More food/drink stands/pop-up shops and far fewer roaming drink carts. I had a Blood Orange Mocha (mocktail, cold brew concentrate, chocolate, toasted marshmallow, and blood orange syrups with a Sh’mallow topping and chocolate drizzle), gross. I had Cram Tots (Thumbs Up chili-glazed spam with cheddar tater tot kegs and scallions), very yummy. I had Deviled "Eggs" (Coconut panna cotta “eggs” with pineapple whipped ganache and Tajin) that was the strangest thing I have ever consumed. Still don't know if I liked it or not.
Scare Zones - Due to us knocking out some houses in the back of the park early, we missed some of the scare zones. We did walk through Mutations and Origins of Horror. I feel like they have far fewer actors in scare zones now and they're more like theming/window dressing so you have something to look at as you walk through the park. Fine, nothing too noteworthy.
We did every house, ate a bit, rode a few rides, and walked through a couple of the scare zones. We didn't end up seeing a show. The Mummy still kicks ass and Gringotts still makes me motion sick (although the theming of the queue is impressive). It's gross and depressing that Minions theming and rides take up such a large chunk of park real estate (including where the classic Monster Cafe used to sit). The Rip Ride Rockit is mid-demolition and I have no clue what they're going to be able to put there. The construction zone blocks out the rear left corner of the park, where there's usually a queue or two during HHN. As a result, the crowds for four different houses enter and exit through one alleyway. One of our group is a Disney adult and wouldn't shut the fuck up about how the food and rides are better at Disney (they aren't).
Wyatt Sicks - I don't watch WWE and I don't know anything about these characters. Had very low expectations. It ended up being pretty fun. You walk through the backstage of WWE and into some alternate realm/dream world ruled by these characters. The set design and jumpscares were good. A hillbilly in a rabbit mask wielding a hammer "spit" in my face. I would describe the vibe as a combination of Rob Zombie and Saw. They had a truly massive queue built out and clearly expected this house to be much more popular than it actually was. 4/5.
FNAF - The actual scares are in short supply but the sets and animatronics are quite impressive for a house. You go through various rooms inspired by scenes from the movie. Lots of arcade smells. You could go into this house knowing nothing about FNAF and still follow most of it; it's clearly established that you are working as a night security guard for a closed-down pizza joint and then spooks start happening. 4/5
El Artista - An original. A Spanish artist moves to a mansion in the remote countryside to work on his art and his art comes alive and possesses him. Why? Is the house haunted? Is he cursed by a demon? I don't need a 3 act structure to a house but I do like to know what I'm looking at. There was audio of the artist speaking, I presume explaining what was going on, but you can't hear it above people screaming and the other sound effects. The weakest house this year. Some of the sets were cool. 1/5
Grave of Flesh - An original, also with a confusing premise. You die and are hunted by flesh eaters. Why? I'm dead, what do I care if they eat my flesh? Are they demonic? Alien? You walk into a graveyard, then under a graveyard, then through tunnels in the earth, then to hell I think? Or maybe an alien plane? 2/5
Terrifier - The grossest house, a compliment. I haven't seen the movies but it appears that you are walking through various scenes from the movies. You go through a bathroom scene where there are piles of feces and it reeks of poo. One of the toilets squirted into my eyes and mouth. Near the end of the house, the path splits into a wet path and a dry path. We took the wet path. "Blood" drips onto you from above. Art menaces you throughout the house although imo he could have popped out more. As there is at least one tableau mid-house where Art is clearly dead, I was confused on if he's human, demonic, or a series of humans (like Ghostface). 3/5
Jason - Strongest IP house by far, one of the strongest houses of the year. Longest house too. You go through various scenes from the movies although Space Jason isn't there. Smells, sounds, and feels (soft ground) like you're walking through the woods and into and out of cabins at the park. Jason pops out a lot and is well-hidden prior to the spooks. Everyone knows who this big guy is. 5/5
Fallout - I was confused when it was announced and it didn't impress. Despite meriting animatronics and a more robust set, it was relegated to a sprung tent instead of a soundstage. I was kind of hoping they would expand on and "creepify" concepts from the show (human trafficking, ghouls going feral, vault experiments, etc.) but no it's just disjointed scenes from the show. And the show's not scary. Dogmeat doesn't make an appearance. The vault sets are good so it goes from a 1/5 to a 2/5.
Galkin - An original. One of the strongest houses. A Nordic witch was executed and thrown into a cave, but she survived and is returning for revenge with some monster minions, powering up as her monsters slaughter the villagers. Near the end of the house, we entered the body of a 20-foot tall animatronic beast, walking through its guts. Very cool. 5/5
Dolls -An original. Very strong. You're shrunk down to doll size, put into a doll house, and hunted by dolls that have been maimed by their owner. The sets were great and did a good job of making you feel small. Smells of burning plastic and crayons and chocolate. Long house. 5/5
Hatches & Chains - An original. I think these characters have appeared in other original houses before. Two demon-hunters confront demons who are running amuck in a Wild West town. The outdoor façade is very nice: old-timey worn Western house, burnt and disemboweled corpses in the yard, in the well, hanging from the roof, a rotting horse. The premise of the house was confusing. The demons were summoned by something or someone but it's not clear who or why. Chains is a human but Hatchet is a demon? Why is a demon helping a human? At some point there's lava or a volcano or something. Wtf? 2/5
Food & Merch - I haven't been to Universal or HHN in some time and they have stepped up their merchandising. I always get a general HHN shirt but there were plenty of options for people who wanted things themed after the original HHN characters this year or the featured IPs. They have more themed food and drinks than I remembered. Tons of cocktails and mocktails. More food/drink stands/pop-up shops and far fewer roaming drink carts. I had a Blood Orange Mocha (mocktail, cold brew concentrate, chocolate, toasted marshmallow, and blood orange syrups with a Sh’mallow topping and chocolate drizzle), gross. I had Cram Tots (Thumbs Up chili-glazed spam with cheddar tater tot kegs and scallions), very yummy. I had Deviled "Eggs" (Coconut panna cotta “eggs” with pineapple whipped ganache and Tajin) that was the strangest thing I have ever consumed. Still don't know if I liked it or not.
Scare Zones - Due to us knocking out some houses in the back of the park early, we missed some of the scare zones. We did walk through Mutations and Origins of Horror. I feel like they have far fewer actors in scare zones now and they're more like theming/window dressing so you have something to look at as you walk through the park. Fine, nothing too noteworthy.
Will go next year, but probably won't do Scream Early.
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All right, just going to add my $.02 on Monster: Ed Gein.
I liked the Dahmer series, and skipped the Menendez brothers one (I may go back and watch it now), but just assumed that this series was a kind of realistic, well researched re-enactment/slight dramatization of the actual events.
And as such, I fucking hated the first couple episodes of Gein.
Hunnam sucks (although this might be a personal thing, since I've hated him in everything he's ever been in); Laurie Metcalf was boring and so done-before (although I have to re-think this on finishing the series). The supporting cast was pretty good, until it got to more well-knowns, like Hitchcock and Anthony Perkins who were terrible (also they did my girl Olivia Williams WRONG with like two scenes in the whole series).
So, so far, everything sucks. Plus they keep getting shit WRONG about Gein - he doesn't talk like that at all (his interrogations are on youtube), he (most likely) didn't kill his brother, he didn't have a girlfriend, this Ilse Koch stuff is waaay overblown (and they're wrong about her too). Like what the fuck is going on? All the Dahmer stuff was right in his series. Are there different writers/showrunners in charge now? I look it up, and no, it's the same guys. I look at the cast. I say, OK, I'll watch until Tobe Hooper shows up, just to see what they did to him.
And then, somewhere in episode 3 it just clicked with me. In spite of everything, I was just fucking enjoying the show. It's half comedy and half gore, and it's just fun to me. Now, I'm not saying you have to "get it," and I'm not even saying it's good, I'm just saying I had a lot of fun with it. I'm not even 100% sure what the writers/showrunners were aiming for - hell I don't even know if THEY knew what they were aiming for. It's somewhat of an homage, somewhat of a love-letter, and somewhat of a dream fantasy series. Like they just stuck onto Gein all the aspects from Psycho, TCM and Silence of the Lambs, but then also interwove those characters into the story. And also glommed on this fake girlfriend fantasy thing and this Ilsa She-wolf of the SS thing, and every fantasy anyone ever thought or had about Gein himself.
It's just SO goofy and yet SO confident at the same time, I just found myself enjoying it. It's like if you took a Danny McBride character and turned him into a serial killer documentary.
Like I didn't even find the re-done Silence of the Lambs scenes - I don't know why it's in there, but, I mean sure, why not. Then in the last couple episodes they throw in everything from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest to fucking Mindhunter for some reason (and it's the TV Show Mindhunter, not the real BSU, because they get all the same shit wrong/changed for dramatic effect).
I didn't even mind the egregiously thrown in tranny-defense scene for two reasons - one, they released autogynephilia into the wild, and two, because despite what the tranny is saying, it's so blatantly antithetical to what's actually happening in the show, it's almost parody. When you've got Richard Speck and Ed Gein on screen doing and being what they are, anything you say about how troons are victims, not victimizers just comes off as hilarious. I even have to forgive the inter-racial Richard Speck gay sex scene, as much as I'd like not to. Mainly, because they made it funny and as un-erotic as humanly possible, but also because Speck's sex-for-drugs escapades were a huge deal in the 80s, so it's actually somewhat tangentially part of the story (they even forced the Illinois state legislature to watch a film of him blowing a black guy, which is fucking hilarious and should have its own documentary).
Most of the Easter eggs were pretty blatant, that even a novice horror fan would catch them (like Ed talking to one of his victims about his bottle of Chianti), but I'm sure there's some in there that I didn't catch.
It's just this weird thing where I don't get it, I don't think it's particularly good, and I don't know what the hell they were aiming for, but I certainly enjoyed it. Even the preachy parts seemed half-hearted, if not outright ironic, and I have a seriously low tolerance for that kind of shit. Lots of gore (for no reason), lots of titties (although most of them I could've lived without), and just fucking odd choices all the way through.
Honestly, though, I would still like to see a Dahmer-esque version of the Ed Gein story, just focusing on the real shit.
I liked the Dahmer series, and skipped the Menendez brothers one (I may go back and watch it now), but just assumed that this series was a kind of realistic, well researched re-enactment/slight dramatization of the actual events.
And as such, I fucking hated the first couple episodes of Gein.
Hunnam sucks (although this might be a personal thing, since I've hated him in everything he's ever been in); Laurie Metcalf was boring and so done-before (although I have to re-think this on finishing the series). The supporting cast was pretty good, until it got to more well-knowns, like Hitchcock and Anthony Perkins who were terrible (also they did my girl Olivia Williams WRONG with like two scenes in the whole series).
So, so far, everything sucks. Plus they keep getting shit WRONG about Gein - he doesn't talk like that at all (his interrogations are on youtube), he (most likely) didn't kill his brother, he didn't have a girlfriend, this Ilse Koch stuff is waaay overblown (and they're wrong about her too). Like what the fuck is going on? All the Dahmer stuff was right in his series. Are there different writers/showrunners in charge now? I look it up, and no, it's the same guys. I look at the cast. I say, OK, I'll watch until Tobe Hooper shows up, just to see what they did to him.
And then, somewhere in episode 3 it just clicked with me. In spite of everything, I was just fucking enjoying the show. It's half comedy and half gore, and it's just fun to me. Now, I'm not saying you have to "get it," and I'm not even saying it's good, I'm just saying I had a lot of fun with it. I'm not even 100% sure what the writers/showrunners were aiming for - hell I don't even know if THEY knew what they were aiming for. It's somewhat of an homage, somewhat of a love-letter, and somewhat of a dream fantasy series. Like they just stuck onto Gein all the aspects from Psycho, TCM and Silence of the Lambs, but then also interwove those characters into the story. And also glommed on this fake girlfriend fantasy thing and this Ilsa She-wolf of the SS thing, and every fantasy anyone ever thought or had about Gein himself.
It's just SO goofy and yet SO confident at the same time, I just found myself enjoying it. It's like if you took a Danny McBride character and turned him into a serial killer documentary.
Like I didn't even find the re-done Silence of the Lambs scenes - I don't know why it's in there, but, I mean sure, why not. Then in the last couple episodes they throw in everything from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest to fucking Mindhunter for some reason (and it's the TV Show Mindhunter, not the real BSU, because they get all the same shit wrong/changed for dramatic effect).
I didn't even mind the egregiously thrown in tranny-defense scene for two reasons - one, they released autogynephilia into the wild, and two, because despite what the tranny is saying, it's so blatantly antithetical to what's actually happening in the show, it's almost parody. When you've got Richard Speck and Ed Gein on screen doing and being what they are, anything you say about how troons are victims, not victimizers just comes off as hilarious. I even have to forgive the inter-racial Richard Speck gay sex scene, as much as I'd like not to. Mainly, because they made it funny and as un-erotic as humanly possible, but also because Speck's sex-for-drugs escapades were a huge deal in the 80s, so it's actually somewhat tangentially part of the story (they even forced the Illinois state legislature to watch a film of him blowing a black guy, which is fucking hilarious and should have its own documentary).
Most of the Easter eggs were pretty blatant, that even a novice horror fan would catch them (like Ed talking to one of his victims about his bottle of Chianti), but I'm sure there's some in there that I didn't catch.
It's just this weird thing where I don't get it, I don't think it's particularly good, and I don't know what the hell they were aiming for, but I certainly enjoyed it. Even the preachy parts seemed half-hearted, if not outright ironic, and I have a seriously low tolerance for that kind of shit. Lots of gore (for no reason), lots of titties (although most of them I could've lived without), and just fucking odd choices all the way through.
Honestly, though, I would still like to see a Dahmer-esque version of the Ed Gein story, just focusing on the real shit.
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There's animal cruelty in pretty much all of the Italian cannibal movies from that time period. Animal cruelty was just a staple of the genre. It wasn't unique to Cannibal Holocaust by any means. Before directing Cannibal Holocaust, Deodato directed a cannibal movie called Last Cannibal World (aka Jungle Holocaust). And, yep, there's animal cruelty in that one too.
The Italian cannibal genre was largely inspired by the "mondo" movies, like Mondo Cane and Africa Addio, which were made by the Italian filmmakers, Jacopetti & Prosperi. And there was no shortage of animal butchery in those movies.
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The movie break-even formula is normally 2x to 2.5x the budget of the movie, so it was profitable between the $100 to $125 million range. 2 to 2.5x is done to cover marketing and cuts from cinemas and the such. That is before taking into account VoD, DVD sale, and streaming deals. So not a big hit, but did make some money, same with Candyman.
You are right, however not in this case. It was a spec script he wrote and took to A24 and got approval from From Software. Would make no sense for From Software to help someone out like this.
That makes no sense. Why on earth would they give the job to her, just to salvage her career? Far as I can tell, there were no ties to her beforehand. Not saying she will do a good job. In fact, her movies I have seen have all been bad, but all the signs are she won the pitch against other directors.
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Re: Ryan Murphy
He's so damn close to making really excellent stuff, and I don't mind a little kitsch and a few gays, but he doesn't know when to stop and almost everything he makes has a heavy-handed fag plot.
I thought AHS "Murder House" and "Asylum" were for the most part genuinely scary with a few "LOL WTF?" detours, "Freak Show" kept a few creepy plot lines going but was rough around the edges, and "Coven" was just a mess.
I gave up on AHS after "Hotel" even though it was an okay entry in the series because it was like "Let's not just have a hotel full of ghosts and other creepies, let's also throw in Wuernos, Gacy, Dahmer, and Ramirez!" It took me out of what I was watching and I never really got back in.
I got halfway through "Ratched" and... I just lost interest.
It's like he has ADD and the idea of the slow burn is just not in his wheelhouse. His writing of women is very hit-or-miss. And the fag plots....
I don't have a problem with the gays, and I am okay with a steamy gay love plot, but Murphy....
Maybe I haven't seen enough of his work and there's something glorious out there that I am missing, but there's more than a touch of "Being gay is such a rough time that general simmering misanthropy that occasionally manifests itself in brutality is understandable." To the point where if I found out he'd once accidentally killed a rent boy during rough sex, I'd think that sounded about right.
He's someone who should write 20 hours of material and have someone else whip it down to a lean 8 hours.
He's so damn close to making really excellent stuff, and I don't mind a little kitsch and a few gays, but he doesn't know when to stop and almost everything he makes has a heavy-handed fag plot.
I thought AHS "Murder House" and "Asylum" were for the most part genuinely scary with a few "LOL WTF?" detours, "Freak Show" kept a few creepy plot lines going but was rough around the edges, and "Coven" was just a mess.
I gave up on AHS after "Hotel" even though it was an okay entry in the series because it was like "Let's not just have a hotel full of ghosts and other creepies, let's also throw in Wuernos, Gacy, Dahmer, and Ramirez!" It took me out of what I was watching and I never really got back in.
I got halfway through "Ratched" and... I just lost interest.
It's like he has ADD and the idea of the slow burn is just not in his wheelhouse. His writing of women is very hit-or-miss. And the fag plots....
I don't have a problem with the gays, and I am okay with a steamy gay love plot, but Murphy....
Maybe I haven't seen enough of his work and there's something glorious out there that I am missing, but there's more than a touch of "Being gay is such a rough time that general simmering misanthropy that occasionally manifests itself in brutality is understandable." To the point where if I found out he'd once accidentally killed a rent boy during rough sex, I'd think that sounded about right.
He's someone who should write 20 hours of material and have someone else whip it down to a lean 8 hours.
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Of course but those movies didn't really have much point to the cruelty and Cannibal Holocaust was made in response to a lot of those movies. They don't have a documentary feel to them like Cannibal Holocaust has. When you see the gator get killed in Last Cannibal World, it doesn't help convince you that what you're seeing is real because the death effects on the people weren't that good and wasn't intended to make you think what you are seeing is real like in Cannibal Holocaust. The filming style wasn't documentary style, it's just a gross movie with not much else to it than that.
CH is strange as it's a movie that was made to critique the same exact style of filmmaking and journalism that Deodato was already doing himself. Some would say Deodato is a hypocrite and he kind of is. But it was important to Deodato that CH was as real as possible and that is unique to CH which is why Deodato found himself in court for the murder of his cast after the release of the movie, Everyone that saw CH thought it was real, myself included. It's a shame that this perspective is pretty much extinct as it's near impossible for someone to watch Cannibal Holocaust without knowing what to expect because the movie is so notorious. If you did show this movie to someone without warning you would probably go to jail lol.
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You know what was a better documentary on Ed Gein and his influence on the horror genre? This 24 minute feature that was part of the special edition DVD for the Texas Chainsaw 2003 remake.
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The old lady at the start the house summoned the demons, you can see her cutting up her tongue with a knife or telling the story of the duo. At a bad time like a cast switch or weather, it is possible to miss her and get lost at how are the demons are there.
The house is pretty much an action movie taken up to eleven. Chains (the human) blows up the train you're on at the last stretch and you get sent to hell along with the demons. But yeah, they showed up in the SlaughterCinema houses the previous years.
Fun house when you want to see a stupid action movie where the main characters duo do not care about collateral damage like you, they're just there to bounty hunt.
My favorite houses would be a tie between Galkin and Jason. Weakest house would be Fallout- while nice to look at, I'm not sure why it exists.
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If you enjoy watching a bunch of gay shit inserted in a tv show, then I wouldn’t. But it is Ryan Murphy after all.
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I was planning on binging the V/H/S franchise for fun, I only saw V/H/S/94 back when it released but that was it, I think I liked it, what are all of your thoughts on the series? Is it worth the time?
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I just watched the Stowaway segment from V/H/S Beyond and I am freaked out. But hnnnngh god I love that sort of existential "trapped forever in misery" horror. It's one of those things that I fear so much that it turns into something I really love in fiction. I guess it's a way for me to cope with the fear.
But Christ it was so hard to actually see literally anything in that segment. I couldn't tell that the bitch was trying to kill herself or that she was rendered immobile or what exactly her mutations consisted of other than the spider eyes.
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watching monsters: ed gein and holy shit does it make trans people look incredibly bad, making a woman that dated ed gein (brave ai said she turn into a chud was an extremely odd choice. Yet I'm actually surprised by modern media for once. not saying it was amazing and ground breaking, but its at least 1 foot in the right direction.
heres to guy that said they had a brief relationship
this is the source they used for the marriage claim
I rate it a optimistic/10
heres to guy that said they had a brief relationship
this is the source they used for the marriage claim
I rate it a optimistic/10
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If you're partial towards anthology films I think there are some entries that are pretty entertaining. Like most anthology movies, V/H/S suffers from the segments being inconsistent quality-wise, but it can be cool to watch them as a director showcase. There are some that are just irredeemable (VIRAL) but in general I have seen much worse horror anthologies than the average V/H/S. Could be fun to binge, if, again, you can tolerate that format and aren't going in expecting high art or anything.
- V/H/S: Mediocre but has its moments - I'm kind of fond of it cuz nostalgia but none of the segments are really standout.
- 2: Probably my favorite of the series; cult and alien segments are both really good and I liked the wraparound well enough. Fun for what it is.
- Viral: Unwatchable. Dismal to see after the first two entries were at least competent. Just terrible.
- 94: I like the first three segments but the final one and wraparound suck. Generally enjoyable.
- 99: Not for me but I know some people who like it a lot. Felt like it was three hours long.
- 85: I know I watched this but can't remember anything about it, so take that how you will.
- Beyond: Stopped watching when the Bollywood dance number started. Embarrassing.
Haven't seen the newest Halloween one so can't say if that's worth seeing or not. Hearing mixed things about it. I think at a certain point all of the recent ones are the same formula: one or two segments worth watching but the rest (and the wraparound) not being very good.
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Shortly after that was published, she spoke again and said they exaggerated what she actually said.
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The second segment was remade as a full-length movie, but I forgot the name.