Hospitals Are Refusing to Do Surgeries Unless You Pay in Full First - Advance billing helps the facilities avoid chasing patients to pay after their procedures

By Melanie Evans
May 9, 2024 5:30 am ET

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Heather Miconi has seven weeks to come up with $2,000 to pay for surgery her daughter needs to breathe more easily.

Merritt Island Surgery Center in Merritt Island, Fla., billed Miconi in advance of the adenoid and tonsil surgery. If she can’t pay for the surgery before it is scheduled to take place next month, the procedure will be put off.

Miconi, whose insurance won’t cover the cost because she has a high deductible, works three jobs and doesn’t have savings to cover the cost. She is now appealing to strangers through a GoFundMe campaign for help.
For years, hospitals and surgery centers waited to perform procedures before sending bills to patients. That often left them chasing after patients for payment, repeatedly sending invoices and enlisting debt collectors.

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Heather Miconi and daughter Trista Churchwell. PHOTO: HEATHER MICONI

Now, more hospitals and surgery centers are demanding patients pay in advance.

Advance billing helps the facilities avoid hounding patients to settle up. Yet it is distressing patients who must come up with thousands of dollars while struggling with serious conditions.

Those who can’t come up with the sums have been forced to put off procedures. Some who paid up discovered later they were overcharged, then had to fight for refunds.

Among the procedures that hospitals and surgery centers are seeking prepayments for are knee replacements, CT scans and births.

Merritt Island first provided Miconi an estimate for $3,000 for treatment for her daughter, Trista Churchwell. It then lowered the estimate to $2,000 because she had already paid down some of her deductible.

When she got the first estimate, Miconi figured “there’s no way” she would be able to afford the procedure. Miconi, who lives with her daughter in Merritt Island, processes medical records, delivers food on weekends and helps cater meals to make a living.

“I can’t even provide for my daughter to get surgery for her to be able to breathe,” she recalled feeling.

The surgery would improve her daughter’s breathing by reducing obstructions such as adenoids, tonsils and bony nose structures called turbinates.

Merritt Island Surgery Center is jointly owned by physicians and SCA Health, a subsidiary of UnitedHealth’s health-services arm Optum. “Before providing care, Merritt Island Surgery Center engages each of our patients individually to ensure they understand their potential out-of-pocket costs and are aware of available no-cost financing options,” the center said.

Federal law requires hospitals to take care of people in an emergency. Hospitals say they don’t turn away patients who need medical care urgently for lack of prepayment.

Some 23% of what patients owe is collected by hospitals before treatment, according to an analysis of first-quarter data this year from 1,850 hospitals by Kodiak Solutions, a healthcare consulting and software company. For the same period in 2022, the figure was 20%.

They are seeking advance payment for nonemergencies, they say, because chasing unpaid bills is challenging and costly. Roughly half the debt hospitals wrote off last year was owed by patients with insurance, the Kodiak analysis found.

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Heather Miconi’s daughter takes several medicines for asthma and obstructed breathing. PHOTO: HEATHER MICONI

“We need those patients who are able to pay to do so,” said Leslie Taylor, a spokeswoman for University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, which owns one general hospital in Arkansas and will—after discussing with doctors—reschedule some procedures until patients can pay.

For patients, the hospitals say, knowing the cost ahead of service gives them the opportunity to comparison-shop and avoid getting walloped with a huge bill unexpectedly.

Patients often want to know in advance what their medical care will cost. Congress and regulators in recent years have ordered hospitals to be more transparent on prices, which vary widely, and limit surprise billing.

HOW TO TALK ABOUT THE BILL​

Medical bills are often large and unexpected. Hospitals and doctors might ask for money before your appointment. Before you pay:
  • Don’t assume because they ask for money that you’re required to pay immediately. Hospitals might not initially offer an option to pay later. Ask about your options.
  • If you can’t afford the amount, let them know. Ask about no-interest payment plans, discounts and financial aid.
  • Financial-aid programs, also known as charity care, can be complicated, but there are resources, such as the nonprofit Dollar For, to help with applications.

Still, finding money for treatment is a challenge for many American households. Half of adults say they can’t afford to spend more than $500 on medical care should they be suddenly sick or injured, a survey by health policy nonprofit KFF found. They would need to borrow.

In addition, determining how much a patient will owe can be tricky. How much each patient pays depends on their health plan, its deductible or other out-of-pocket costs and the prices the plan negotiated with a hospital to pay.

Blake Young was overcharged roughly $2,500 by CHI Memorial Hospital in Chattanooga, Tenn., ahead of a heart screening late last November.

The hospital initially said he owed about $3,600 and asked for payment. He paid upfront, using funds stocked away in his health-savings account. When he arrived for the testing, the hospital gave him a new bill, saying he owed less.

Young, 59 years old, an industrial-machinery salesman who lives in Chattanooga, said he didn’t get a refund check that the hospital said it mailed in late December. The next month, Young filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau.

In February, CHI Memorial agreed to reissue the check. In April, the hospital wrote in a letter to Young that it had failed to reissue the check because of a communication error. The hospital also apologized to Young for the delay.

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Blake Young of Chattanooga, Tenn., paid upfront for a heart screening. PHOTO: BLAKE YOUNG

“CHI Memorial is committed to helping patients understand and afford the cost of their health care,” a spokeswoman said. The hospital overbilled Young because of an administrative error and issued a refund, she said.

CHI Memorial, which is owned by one of the nation’s largest Catholic health systems, CommonSpirit Health, will go ahead with procedures without advance payment, a spokeswoman said.

Young got the hospital’s $2,546 refund check Tuesday. He wanted the money back for future medical bills. “It’s not unlimited funds,” he said. “They do run out.”

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Time to see if it's possible to find clinics that refuses medicaid, medicare, and demands payment in full. I'm betting you'll get the best care at the lowest price there. No failures to pay means prices don't have to cover leeches. No welfare means the lines aren't kept long with random old fucks and deathfats on benefits.
 
It says she works three jobs. With how expensive everything is these days I'm not surprised that it's hard to get $2k saved up if she has to work three jobs. Rent, transportation, utilities, the general cost of raising a child and paying for clothes and supplies ect... It adds up. Maybe if she could get a living wage from a single job.
I'm going to stop you right here. Because I know what you're going to say, and that is precisely why wages are so fucked by inflation.

No, a minimum wage hike will not be the solution. It never is.
 
Republicucks saying "bill me harder, daddy!" while the medical establishment actively pursues indigent illegals and drug addicts as patients because they know they can get federal gibs for it, never seen a more pitiful sight.
The only way to fix healthcare in America would require axing millions of well-paying jobs in the healthcare industry. Good luck doing that in the current year.
 
Twice they've told me im literally going to die according to their equipment if I don't go to the ER now. I go to the ER and they treat me like shit for the next 8 hours then tell me there's nothing wrong with me and send me back with an 8,000 dollar bill.
do you have extremely high blood pressure or something
most drs tend to not tell patients they are going to die at a glance like that unless they either bleeding out with nasty injuries or some health marker like blood pressure is insanely high.
 
Do tell me where the unbridled capitalism comes into play with healthcare.

It is regulated at every step of the way. No free markets in medicine have existed for over 100 years now you fucking retarded nigger.
And you won't get an answer.

The final cherry on top of the shit sundae is hospitals are not required to list prices. When you go into the hospital, you sign a contract that says you will pay all costs. you won't know what those costs will be until you get the bill. more importantly you also don't get any say on what procedures and tests are done. Nor are you told how much they are. you also can't shop around, and go to a hospital that charges less because no hospitals list their prices.
Why in the hell was this ever allowed in the first place?
 
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Republicucks saying "bill me harder, daddy!" while the medical establishment actively pursues indigent illegals and drug addicts as patients because they know they can get federal gibs for it, never seen a more pitiful sight.
Yep. It’s never not funny to see them simp for private businesses who actively hate and despise them while going out of their way to help people who aren’t them. Old habits die hard, I guess.
 
I still don't understand why healthcare is so goddam expensive in the US, it's not even that good unless you shell out a lot of shekels.
It sucks even if you pay a lot of money. I broke my scaphoid bone in a fall (when you fall do NOT reach out and try to catch yourself, you will break something) and spent a ton of money on a local hand surgeon who told me it was just a normal hairline fracture and advised me not to do a CT scan. I got lucky because a family friend pulled some strings and I was able to get a second opinion from a well regarded hand surgeon who ordered a CT scan. Turns out my normal hairline fracture was a 1 cm displacement with a fucking 90 degree rotation of one fragment of the bone. If it had been allowed to heal like that, I would have been crippled for life.

If you don't get the elite doctors that require favors to be called in, your medical care is pretty much left up to chance in terms of quality.
 
In the days before health insurance became a "right" (a perk given by companies to get and retain employees in the 50s and 60s), people just paid direct for medical services.

I hear tell even today if you offer to pay cash, some medical providers will let you pay the non-insurance company inflated actual cost of a procedure.

If you don't have or choose to have health insurance and are infrequently sick, this can be a cost savings to you, especially for elective procedures.

This bitch be salty because she wants to get her daughter Porcina surgery and then duck out on the bill due to "hardship". And just avoid paying until the debt collectors give up or some future Democrat bill forgives her medical debt.

People like this, and all the illegals walking into emergency rooms and getting services they will never pay for but the hospitals have to legally provide is what drives up costs for the rest of us.
 
It's very simple and I cannot believe it isn't brought up more:

The problem is blacks and illegals.

End of. The reason American healthcare stats are so bad are largely those two groups, much like American education stats.

Americans do not want nationalized healthcare simply because they know, but will not say, that these two groups will eat most of the money put into such programs.
 
It sucks even if you pay a lot of money. I broke my scaphoid bone in a fall (when you fall do NOT reach out and try to catch yourself, you will break something) and spent a ton of money on a local hand surgeon who told me it was just a normal hairline fracture and advised me not to do a CT scan. I got lucky because a family friend pulled some strings and I was able to get a second opinion from a well regarded hand surgeon who ordered a CT scan. Turns out my normal hairline fracture was a 1 cm displacement with a fucking 90 degree rotation of one fragment of the bone. If it had been allowed to heal like that, I would have been crippled for life.

If you don't get the elite doctors that require favors to be called in, your medical care is pretty much left up to chance in terms of quality.
i remember when you could get away with trusting the sole doctor 20-30 years. now you need to take all the tests yourself and ask different doctors because they let anyone be a doctor these. unrelated but every vaccine shot i got past 2020 has made me seriously ill the day after. but the doctor keeps telling me they're unrelated.
 
do you have extremely high blood pressure or something
most drs tend to not tell patients they are going to die at a glance like that unless they either bleeding out with nasty injuries or some health marker like blood pressure is insanely high.
No, I'm not on any medications or have any conditions. The doctors in my area are just retarded.
 
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This should have the effect of prices dropping. If only the people that can afford to pay for healthcare have access a lot of profit will disappear.

If you had a 1000 clients and only 500 paid but they paid 10 times the actual cost the other 500 can be used to lower taxes paid on your profit. Without the deadbeats you won't have losses and will have to pay tax on every penny.

The only better news would be health insurance becoming illegal. If that happened costs would have to drop to where the common man could afford it. If no one can afford a 2 million dollar hospital stay and surgery prices would come down. That's the reason you can go to poor countries with no insurance and pay far less for the same quality of care you get here.
 
I still don't understand why healthcare is so goddam expensive in the US, it's not even that good unless you shell out a lot of shekels.
the #1 reason is actually insurance companies. hospitals inflate their prices on paper so when the insurance company negotiates down the price it goes down to the real price the hospital needs to charge. with zero insurance middle-men in the way hospitals could just charge the actual price for things, which would probably be close to $100-200 an hour like any other skilled labor costs

#2 reason is niggers and illegals, of course

#3 is that the US has the second highest GPD in the entire world. if you ignore China's funny money we'd probably be number one. things in higher GDP countries cost more

#4 is that the US subsidizes the military in the EU which allows them to spend extra money on gibs for their citizens as long as daddy MIC is spoiling them

#5 is that the USA subsidizes medical research and development for the entire world. while other parts of the world contribute to medical science, it really is led by the US. before covid the FDA was seen as the gold standard for the entire world except Japan. this has the side effect of americans getting the newest, best medicine right when it comes out. it also has the side effect of things costing more in the US because you're getting the newest, most experimental treatments

the only consolation prize in all of this is that as biologics become more prevalent the rest of the world won't be able to leech off the US's achievements since even after they go off patent there's no chemical recipe to steal and produce as a generic. things will probably leak out as China steals things like usual but if you want the best medical treatments there isn't going to be an alternative to paying full US prices in the future
 
Why in God's name would an autistic man sign up to this forum out of all the websites in the entire fucking world?
What other type would sign up here?

Regarding medical costs, back when I was in law school I had a scare where I thought I might have appendicitis, so I went to a clinic to get a scan. I asked how much it would be if I paid cash, and they said $90. My co-pay was $40, so I went with insurance coverage. When I later got the billing paperwork, the nominal price they listed to the insurance company was around $250, but around $100 of that was "written off", so they were charging the insurance around $150. Healthcare accounting makes Douglas Adams' Bistromathic Drive (the upgrade to the Infinite Improbability Drive) look mundane.
 
Yep. It’s never not funny to see them simp for private businesses who actively hate and despise them while going out of their way to help people who aren’t them. Old habits die hard, I guess.
"Yes please daddy take the last two cents out of my meager emergency savings account, I wouldn't want to be like a NIGGER!"

Makes me spitting mad. These people are not the friend of the hard working common man. If you give them your last dollar, they will turn around and use it to wipe the nose of some nepo baby and laugh at you as they walk away.

Huh? I thought giving birth was considered a medical emergency that has to be treated by law like other emergencies? I'm hoping they're just talking about induced labor.
Being in active labor is an emergency under EMTALA and yes that means they cannot turn you away. This seems like a sly and cynical attempt to trick honest Americans who don't know about every federal law that gives them rights, but who might have a savings account, into paying cash out of desperation. Not knowing that if she just waited and came back in active labor, they could work something out.

It's meant to rob blind hardworking legal citizens making more than a welfare client and less than a millionaire. They know people like that still have a sense of honor and duty. They are shamelessly using that to rob and exploit you. You should be more angry at them than you are at some single mother whose kid needs her tonsils out, for the love of God.
 
Ad hominem. If I'm wrong then explain to me why, attack the argument I just made instead of me as a person. If I'm retarded and I'm spouting retarded ideas then it should be pretty easy to prove me wrong. Or are you just hiding behind ad hominems because there no substance to your beliefs and you're terrified of anyone finding out?
This is the most Reddit post I've seen outside of Reddit.
 
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