Culture How 4chan became the home of the elite reader - The left is losing its grip on the literary realm.

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It’s a Friday in early January and someone on 4chan has invented a new philosophical doctrine: “esoteric Kantianism”. “You must not take Kant’s words at face value,” the anonymous user warns – readers who do so will only take away shallow insights about the half-blind “normie mind”. “You must read between the lines.”

A reading revolution is taking place on this notorious message board, most famous for alt-right memes, anything-goes chatter, and large-scale coordinated pranks (several hoax bomb threats organised by the site have led to arrests and mass evacuations). Users operate under total anonymity and are subject to bare-bones moderation. Most of the ideological avenues offered in /pol/, its politics forum, would leave you estranged from polite society and banned from any conventional social media.

And yet, a new secret generation of autodidacts – frustrated with the state of modern academia and the dilution of the traditional canon – are turning to the website as an unlikely home for literary ambition. Britain’s working class used to shelter a legion of autodidacts, too: set on self-improvement, they staged Shakespeare productions and read classic literature without input from local authorities or red-brick academics. Later, in mid-century America, door-to-door salesmen shilled 54-book sets of Mortimer Adler’s Great Books of the Western World to people who wanted a classical education. This impulse hasn’t gone away. It has migrated to /lit/.

The members of /lit/, 4chan’s literary subforum, love Dostoyevsky, Joyce and Nabokov. They abhor the gatekeepers of traditional publishing and the moral pieties that beset academia in the 2010s. They’ve created their own recommendation ecosystem in the form of homemade charts, huge Jpegs which serve as visual reading guides. “Start with the Greeks,” the most famous one says, leading beginners through an annotated flowchart from modern mythological retellings to Homer and then, eventually, Aristotle. This advice is dished out to wannabe autodidacts on /lit/ so often that it has become a meme. (“I will not start with the Greeks,” says a gun-toting civilian in one image, as soldiers surround his house and order him to read Plato.)

Gen Z might be going to university at record rates. But the transformational ideals on 4chan find no equal in the English-speaking academy. And so an instinct once associated with leftish institutions like universities is migrating into the purview of the very-online right. 4chan is becoming a natural home for the ambitious reader.

Take the Atlantic article last year that revealed students at America’s most elite institutions no longer have the stamina or fluency needed to read entire novels for class. Literature classes in American schools are gradually exchanging “whole books” for short, analysable extracts, which provide a close model of the sort of reading involved in standardised testing. At the university level, lecturers are adjusting their syllabuses in turn to suit those who don’t or can’t read for long periods: one Melville specialist at Columbia has stopped teaching undergraduates Moby-Dick (voted /lit/’s favourite book in 2023). And similar omissions are filtering into the real-world intelligentsia: the editor of the New York Times’ book review section recently admitted on a podcast that he had not read George Eliot’s Middlemarch (fine, perhaps, for a normal person, but not for a literary editor at the New York Times).

When the Atlantic article was reposted on /lit/, the board’s denizens – between angry segues about mass immigration and chemsex (as is to be expected on 4chan) – seemed to agree with its claims. “I must be the only 22 year old on the planet who goes to my college library to find books by John Ruskin,” one wrote. “These are follow up indoctrination thinking schools [sic],” another said of modern universities. 4chan’s book ecosystem, with its focus on the traditional canon, seems to provide a refuge for those disillusioned by the bare-bones treatment of literature in the English-speaking academy. One user attests that English lit in 2025 “is taught basically as a technique or a social-civic tool rather than anything approximating an art”.

The inhabitants of /lit/ see themselves as the victim of anti-canon efforts, as the academy has sought to “decolonise” and expand the curriculum over the past decade. And /lit/’s reaction is hardly unreasonable: there’s a difference between great books (well-written, perhaps undiscovered) and Great Books, which stay in the accepted canon because they have had an outsized influence on influential writers. It isn’t testable and it doesn’t contribute to any sort of transferable skill – but there is revelatory joy in following a thread from one work to the next, watching as previously hidden details reveal themselves in spoken language and in popular culture.

This experience is unavailable in 2025’s version of academia, but it can be found online – on dodgy message boards and in pirated PDFs. All sorts of students hunger for great literature, but autodidact culture seems to move from one political pole to another based on the infrastructure available. In Britain, Victorian “mutual improvement societies” and 20th-century labour colleges either leaned to the left or were openly associated with communist groups. This side can blame itself for the modern political proclivities of /lit/: humanities academia shifted in the 1960s to accommodate the revolutionary likes of Foucault and Freire, but its current bar to entry – tens of thousands of pounds, plus years on a low doctoral wage – keeps any remaining benefits out of reach to the large majority. And leftists have been slow to produce any mainstream criticism of Big Tech companies, which pushed us into an accelerated state of post-literacy after making a commodity and business out of attention.

But there will always be people who want a long, consequential view of the humanities, regardless of their financial circumstances or previous educational background. This time, the online right has provided the intellectual scaffolding and infrastructure.

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2025/01/how-4chan-became-the-home-of-the-elite-reader (Archive)
 
I'd almost have a small degree of sympathy if the crux of his argument was that he was always reading for work, but it would still raise the question how he got to be a literary editor - he's not even doing that, because he's not read many of the books the NYT was recommending!

His name is Glibert Cruz and he is a diversity hire at the NYT. Before coming to the NYT, he worked at that cultural touchstone "Vulture". Prior to becoming the book editor at the times, he wrote about television for the NYT.

When he was appointed, they announced his mission as being to reimagine the books section to "increase and embolden our reporting on and criticism of ideas and intellectual life, the publishing world and all that lives within it,” i.e. the Times isn't really much interested in books anymore.

Cruz has no expertise in literature whatsoever as far as I know. He was born in the bronx and his passion until his junior year in college was getting into politics. In his junior year, he started writing reviews of things for a student publication. Then he got a diversity hire job at an Alabama newspaper and began his fall upward in journalism.
 
I love how these people react to books that every high schooler should read. I read the Odyssey in high school, this wasn't weird 30 years ago. The left are lazy fuckers using the "it's written by white men!" excuse to read books that aren't complicated bc they were written by black women who speak Ebonics and communicate through memes.
 
What is wrong with contemporary literature? The number one book on the New York Times fiction list for 2024 is "James". A politically correct re-writing of the Mark Twain novel Huckleberry Finn from the perspective of the black guy for modern audiences.


- A masterpiece that will help redefine one of the classics of American literature."—Chicago Tribune
- While many narrative set pieces of Adventures of Huckleberry Finn remain in place, Jim’s agency, intelligence and compassion are shown in a radically new light.
- James is destined to be a cornerstone of twenty-first century American literature. (Oprah Daily)
- Everett humanizes the character, who goes by James, re-inventing him as a wise and literate man, who has conversations with enlightenment philosophers in his dreams and teaches other enslaved people to read. James and the other black characters in the book purposefully hide their literacy and wisdom from the white characters who will undoubtedly feel threatened by educated blacks and further punish them.

- In development as a feature film to be produced by Steven Spielberg

You just can't make this stuff up.
 
The left has ceded everything cultured and high minded, and the more radical element of the right have simply been picking them up and make them their own.
Any kind of art that would offend a 70 IQ sheboon has been called problematic, White-coded, and promptly discarded. So what does that leave leftists? Twerking and capeshit. I'm thinking that in the next ~ten years leftists will lose any claim to snobby intellectualism and will instead be seen as ignorant bumpkins, the very image they've tried so hard to project onto right-wing people for decades.
 
Wasn’t there an article a while back about how white men are forming a smaller and smaller portion of mainstream lit circles? How everything featured on Goodreads or the NYT is essentially a softcore porn YA novel? Of course people who want to discuss the classics go where they’re actually discussed. The academic and literature communities are fucked, so people will seek out the next best thing.
 
The left has ceded everything cultured and high minded, and the more radical element of the right have simply been picking them up and make them their own.
Any kind of art that would offend a 70 IQ sheboon has been called problematic, White-coded, and promptly discarded. So what does that leave leftists? Twerking and capeshit. I'm thinking that in the next ~ten years leftists will lose any claim to snobby intellectualism and will instead be seen as ignorant bumpkins, the very image they've tried so hard to project onto right-wing people for decades.
B-b-but anti-intellualism is a right-wing belief!!!!!!
 
It makes sense that people who want to have serious discussions about heavyweight literature would want to do it without the stifling presence of wokefags who would inevitably bog everything down with their faggot pet issues.
But enough about English Lit professors...
 
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Nothing could demonize reading worse than the lefts current attempts to exalt reading as an identity,
Watch as they slowly demonize reading
'booktok' did more to demonize reading than anything they could do.
What is wrong with contemporary literature? The number one book on the New York Times fiction list for 2024 is "James". A politically correct re-writing of the Mark Twain novel Huckleberry Finn from the perspective of the black guy for modern audiences.


- A masterpiece that will help redefine one of the classics of American literature."—Chicago Tribune
- While many narrative set pieces of Adventures of Huckleberry Finn remain in place, Jim’s agency, intelligence and compassion are shown in a radically new light.
- James is destined to be a cornerstone of twenty-first century American literature. (Oprah Daily)
- Everett humanizes the character, who goes by James, re-inventing him as a wise and literate man, who has conversations with enlightenment philosophers in his dreams and teaches other enslaved people to read. James and the other black characters in the book purposefully hide their literacy and wisdom from the white characters who will undoubtedly feel threatened by educated blacks and further punish them.

- In development as a feature film to be produced by Steven Spielberg

You just can't make this stuff up.
 
The call seems to have gone out, because The Nation has another piece just like this (A/L). KF already discussed a previous New York Times article on the same subject. This is going to be a narrative they are trying to spin into a moral panic.

Why Is the Right Obsessed With Epic Poetry?
From Elon Musk to Jordan Peterson, a certain strand of conservatism has recruited the poetry of Homer and Dante in their culture war.

In September 2023, the richest man in the world was daydreaming about the Trojan War. “I sometimes wonder if perhaps Rome was started by exiles from Troy,” Elon Musk wrote on X, the social media platform he had bought and swiftly renamed. His thoughts on the legendary war—documented in Homer’s two epic poems—were prompted by an online controversy over Emily Wilson’s translation of The Odyssey. The British classicist argued that previous translators had imported their own sexism into the poem and obscured the presence of slavery, so right-wing accounts labeled her work “Woke Homer.” Joining the fray, Musk announced that he was listening to The Iliad in a 1950s translation by E.V. Rieu (a man). “Best story ever,” the billionaire said. But Musk’s interest was larger than the war on wokeness. Instead, it was something that has long been central to epic poetry: the founding of empires.

“At some point in antiquity,” Musk’s musing about the Trojan exiles continued, “a few ships of very competent soldiers (with almost no women) landed on the coast of Italy. Where did they come from?” Without realizing it, Musk had reinvented the plot of Virgil’s epic The Aeneid, whose protagonist sails from war-ravaged Troy to a land where his descendants would later found Rome. Historians are skeptical that this has a basis in fact, but it was useful propaganda for Augustus Caesar, who established himself as Rome’s first emperor while Virgil was writing his poem. By retelling the myth that the city was founded by one great man, The Aeneid seemed to confirm that Rome should be ruled by one emperor rather than by its citizens. In recent years, epics have played a similar role for the American right.

Epics have often shored up empires. After Virgil’s death, Augustus Caesar ordered that his unfinished poem be preserved, against the poet’s wishes. Since then, many poets have recycled Homer’s and Virgil’s materials to create new epics written to advance their own ambitious nations. And later emperors used ancient epics to glamorize their campaigns. Alexander the Great had The Iliad as his bedside companion. Napoleon, complaining that “the others were taken,” brought the pseudo-medieval Scottish epic of Ossian on his doomed expedition to Moscow. Epics don’t only glorify the present; they also offer grand and terrible visions of the future. In 1968, the British politician Enoch Powell quoted The Aeneid in a notorious speech prophesying that immigration would cause “rivers of blood.” This capacity to speak to the future makes the genre a powerful political tool.

As Musk mused about those “very competent soldiers (with almost no women)” voyaging from Troy to the future Rome, he was surely thinking of his own quest to colonize space. But perhaps the South African–born billionaire was also thinking about his adoptive nation. For Musk, who recently praised Trump’s “epic tweets” and used his platform to push the Republican campaign, the genre contributes to a new political vision for the United States. Musk is not alone in sensing this: Two other prominent right-wing thinkers have used epic poetry in their attacks on liberal democracy. What dark future does it help them to articulate?

Jordan Peterson writes about epics in each of his three books. In 12 Rules for Life (2018), the Canadian psychologist permits himself a modest boast: “I read and perhaps understood much of Milton’s Paradise Lost, Goethe’s Faust and Dante’s Inferno.” Peterson often compares his own quest to understand evil with the heroic act of descending into the underworld, described in each of these epic works. This grandiose self-identification is part of his appeal: Peterson convinces his readers that they, too, can be the hero. Likewise, his first book, Maps of Meaning (1999), explains the psychology of political beliefs using two archetypes taken from myth and literature: the brave Hero and the envious Adversary. The Adversary is based on Satan, but since the devil is largely absent from Scripture, Peterson went instead to Paradise Lost, recruiting Milton to defend the West from the “murderous ideology” of identity politics. Unfortunately, Peterson’s grasp of Paradise Lost is a little slippery.

In Milton’s epic, Satan is an angel who becomes resentful when God announces that he has set up his own Son (a kind of pre-human Christ) as the ruler of the angels. Satan’s envy is based on a belief that he is better than any other angel. This leads Satan to an ill-fated rebellion in which he is defeated by the heroic Son and cast out of Heaven. To read Paradise Lost is to see that Satan’s belief in his own superiority is mistaken. Curiously, though, Peterson takes Satan at his word, referring to him as “the highest angel.” Peterson needs to do this to maintain his dualistic psychology, in which the Hero and the Adversary are neat opposites. Interestingly, this misreading seems to reflect a major contradiction in his work: Even as he counsels his readers to overcome resentment and take responsibility for themselves, his constant dog whistles appear to encourage young white male readers to see their resentments of a pluralistic liberal society as justified.

Peter Thiel has a more involved relationship to epic than Musk and Peterson. Shortly after graduating from Stanford, he cowrote The Diversity Myth, a campus polemic that defends the Western classics from attempts to diversify the syllabus. Even after cofounding PayPal and making his fortune, Thiel has played up ambitious reading as core to his identity as a libertarian and a CEO. He publishes quasi-academic essays that put forward his financial positions and bolster his reputation as a visionary. Unlike Peterson, Thiel doesn’t look to literature for psychological insights. In one essay, “The Straussian Moment” (2007), he quotes Milton’s Satan to make an argument about the limits of modern therapeutic culture: “The mind is its own place and in itself / Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.” Milton, as Thiel correctly notes, wants the reader to know that this is untrue. We can’t change the world by thought alone, he insists. We must act.

This is the reason for Thiel’s interest in epic, a genre representing the most consequential human actions. In his 2014 book Zero to One: Notes on Startups, or How to Build the Future, Thiel compares tech founders to Romulus and Remus, the mythic founders of Rome. However, it is not as a founder but as a venture capitalist that he now hopes to accomplish something world-changing. Since 2005, when he quit PayPal and established Founders Fund, Thiel has backed Musk’s company SpaceX as well as the Seasteading Institute, which aims to establish communities at sea outside of international law. An avowed libertarian, he longs to live in a place where capitalism is unchecked by the laws of democracy, and again he uses epic to justify the idea that the ocean is the best escape from the Hell of other people.

In his 2015 essay “Against Edenism,” Thiel discusses Goethe’s Faust. Goethe’s protagonist makes a deal with the devil, exchanging his soul for scientific knowledge. Faust becomes a rich and powerful man and a favorite of the Holy Roman Emperor. He launches an ambitious project to reclaim land from the sea, ruthlessly dispatching anyone who gets in his way. Ever the contrarian, Thiel defends Faust: “It is too easy for us to make fun of the Faust myth,” he declares. But who is making fun of it? No doubt, Thiel was really referring to the people who had mocked the Seasteading Institute, his own attempt to reclaim land from the sea. Unsurprisingly, he then asks us to look kindly on poor Faust:

Admittedly, it does seem slightly ludicrous to forget about one’s immortal soul and instead busy oneself, as Faust does, with the project of reclaiming land from the sea. But why are these options mutually exclusive? Can we not do both?
Goethe’s play is called a tragedy, but it ends well for its protagonist: Despite his misdeeds, Faust receives divine salvation. Thiel might hope the same will be true for himself—that if he manages to fund an invention whose benefits trickle down to the rest of humankind, his life will seem less like a Faustian tragedy and more like an epic.

Identifying with ancient Romans is something not uncommon in Silicon Valley. In May, at his 40th-birthday celebration, Mark Zuckerberg wore an oversize T-shirt with the motto Carthago delenda est: “Carthage must be destroyed.” This phrase, used in Rome to call for war with the republic’s African enemy, was apparently a reference to Facebook’s competition with Google. As so often with Zuckerberg’s performances of masculinity, it felt unintentionally parodic. But we should take these clumsy allusions seriously: Some tech companies have become as powerful as empires and their leaders like emperors, as so often before, in search of an epic to consecrate their great deeds.

The recent election saw new forms of collaboration between Silicon Valley and the political right, yielding a new epic vision of right-wing technocracy. Recently, JD Vance’s wife, Usha, was photographed carrying Emily Wilson’s translation of The Odyssey, although after the media asked if this was a political message, she claimed that she was reading it because her daughter was interested in Greek myth. Among her husband’s associates (Thiel is Vance’s mentor and financial backer), the interest in epic is more obviously politically motivated. Feted in some corners of the Internet as “the smartest men alive,” Musk and Thiel are using epic to signal their personal greatness and to offer a glimpse of a polity governed by “very competent” men—men, presumably, rather like themselves. It would not be a democracy but something more like the imperial Rome of Augustus Caesar. This is surely the right-wing epic lurking in their allusions: Out of a period of civil strife emerges a bright new imperial nation.

Their encounters with epic, however, turn out to be full of odd missteps. In recent years, Thiel has withdrawn support for the Seasteading Institute, which has failed to settle any humans on the ungovernable ocean. Meanwhile, his surveillance tech company Palantir Technologies is growing in influence. Its name was taken from an all-seeing crystal ball created by the elves in The Lord of the Rings, the epic fantasy series that Thiel loved as a child. A company that helps states spy on their citizens is an odd choice for an avowed libertarian, but Thiel’s appetite for power likely trumps any ideological commitments. Meanwhile, Peterson, jacked up on an all-meat diet, rails against liberal society in bitter social media posts, sounding less like the Hero than the Adversary. In August 2024, no longer the richest man in the world after his social media addiction damaged Tesla’s stock, Musk posted a picture of an audiobook version of The Odyssey, confusedly calling it The Iliad. Intended as a proof of greatness, epic proves a stumbling block for them all.

Epic poems are more complex than they are often given credit for. They tell us of the failings of great men and the downfalls caused by pride—moments that aren’t “epic” in the modern colloquial sense but comic. This, too, is their enduring significance for our time. Toward the end of Paradise Lost, after bringing about the Fall of Adam and Eve, Satan returns to Hell and announces to the other devils that they will all be able to escape and colonize a new world. Instead of applause, he hears a “universal hiss.” They have all been turned into snakes.

Orlando Reade

Orlando Reade is an assistant professor of English at Northeastern University London. He is the author of What in Me Is Dark: The Revolutionary Afterlife of Paradise Lost.

This is all the left's own doing. They took over most cultural institutions through decades of work, but once they won, they degraded the arts into slop and clumsy political propaganda. Their culture is so degraded and laughable that it is obvious to anyone with a genuine yearning for great literature. It is not worth getting into serious debt to then be forced to read sob stories from people named Yamamma Bingo Bongo, and being lectured by some unhappy woman that she was bigger than Shakespeare. Young people can't find it on campus, so they look for it elsewhere. They then gave it a push by exiling bright young white guys into the cultural wilderness, some of whom ended up building their own thing. Funnily enough, a bunch of the large RW Twitter accounts are exiled classicists and English lecturers - Raw Egg Nationalist has a translation of Tacitus he is selling, Lomez, who runs Passage Press, was formerly a former lecturer from the University of California's School of Humanities, and Bronze Age Pervert did a PhD at Yale on the Greek philosophers. Several others in this circle have an obvious, solid grounding in the humanities. They are not particularly big, but they are big enough to sustain a few publishing houses and attract an audience.

But there is just a wider interest in the classics, and I'm seeing more and more young guys getting involved. Almost all of these people are solidly on the right. Leftists don't read (nobody really cares about the "aggrieved minority" genre that gets the attention), or they read ironic pop cultural slop. Some of the interest the articles are describing is performative, or it is following a trend, but if it leads them to read something good, it starts forming a good taste and an appetite for more. Next to the growing yearning for a normal, traditional marriage, this is one of the most hopeful trends of the last few years.

This is obviously a problem for the cultural elite. They could have allowed the right to exist in their system in a subordinate role, but they didn't even extend the smallest olive branch. They had to drive them out completely, but in the process, the dumb fucks ended up creating a lively counterculture. It obviously reminds them of the role their previous generation played in bringing down the old order, and if they are smart enough, they must recognise it as a threat. So expect more articles like this in the future. But they can't fix their own problems. That ship has sailed.
 
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