How did the south go from being a beloved symbol of american culture and kindhearted gentleman to evil racists who kill blacks daily?

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notice that northern states like Kentucky try to say they are southern despite being above the mason dixon line

Even in rural parts of places in the Midwest or northeast they will try to capture that spirit proudly

It’s simple: the south IS America.
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Kentucky is literally a Southern state. By any measure.

Usually when people say it's not they wind up justifying it with some argument about the Civil War, but even if you defined Southernness as conditional on having been part of the Confederacy that's not even accurate. It, Missouri and Virginia were all the same story, the state had a divided Union and Confederate government. But only in Virginia did the Union government stick as a reward for being on the winning side.

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When you've got ethnic ancestry, religion and accent/dialect all lining up so starkly it's clear you've got a genuine nationality. Southernness is characterized by British or African ancestry, Evangelical Protestantism and one of two main accents. By this standard it's obvious that southern Missouri, southern West Virginia, Virginia, and Oklahoma are Southern, but southern Florida, southern (French) Louisiana, and central/southwest Texas are not.

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YES OKAY KENTUCKY IS A SOUTHERN STATE! I YIELD! I YIELD!!! MERCY!!!
 
Even in this thread you see the ethnic narcissism on display,
Narcissism may be a vice but you have to be compassionate. It's difficult to restrain one's sense of pride when you're born into the finest race to ever grace the Earth.

with the most long-winded Southerners wistfully hoping that some day they may finally get to butcher Yankees to avenge the insult of not being able to win a war 160 years ago,
It's not just because the Confederacy (which my particular region, down to my particular town, fought against) lost and was subjected to a collaborator government. It's the whole damn direction of the country ever since. Do you like having your election stolen from you and an illegitimate President on you? Do you like having a bunch of faggot freaks trying to take your kids away so they can cut their dicks off and give them dope? Do you like having the state arbitrarily trample on your gun rights?

All these things and more flow out of places like Boston, Chicago, and San Francisco. Anywhere a Yankee can smell water in large quantities they will flock and begin scheming up ways to terrorize their fellow man, whether it's in the name of Puritan Jesus or George Floyd.

This can be beaten out of them. It's not for spite or the love of cruelty that I want to rape and pillage the Connecticut countryside. It's out of deep love because I know they can be reformed just like Mississippi was. And also for spite and love of cruelty.

and then posting about how much they love niggers and spics and how da Yankees r da real racists*.
Have you actually seen other people do that, or was that just pointed at me? I feel like I'm in a distinct minority in wanting to enlist the Mexicans to bring about Total Yankee Death.

I expect that soon they'll post about how they ackshoolually built and did everything of note in the USA, and that Dah Yankee is da devil(!).
Of course not. They just founded the oldest colonies, founded the oldest representative govt on the continent, established the first de facto independent govt, were in a state of insurrection nearly a decade before New England, commanded the Continental Army, won the Revolutionary War in the campaign from Cowpens to Yorktown, wrote the Declaration of Independence, created the first three state universities and the first public university in the country, did most of the work of creating the Constitution, largely ran the early Republic all the way until the Civil War, created jazz music, country and rock'n'roll and in doing so the foundations of all other modern American music, and did most of the fighting.

They didn't make most of the inventions or scientific breakthroughs. Some of that was Yankees. Some of it was Californians, too, which I'll count as Yankees, I do when they do bad things so I ought to count them when they do good things. But a rather large chunk of that was normal, good Midwesterners, often Amerikaner stock. Fine practical people with engineering in their blood.

They didn't make all the movies and shit. That was mostly a bunch of Jews.

The only thing I can really credit New England with is being the core of American academia.

What a wonderful contribution.

As stated here, it's because the dream of the South is to get the same nigger pass as actual niggers for nigger behavior. Like, there's actual sectarian violence and tribal boundaries based on who's bred the biggest most ball-throwingest nigger in town; Eagles fans may actually be southern niggers in greasepaint but they stand out as uniquely awful compared to the background noise of it down south.
Are you sure you didn't wind up in Europe, see a soccer riot, and somehow get that confused with Alabama? I don't know what the fuck you're describing because I've never seen it.

I HAVE seen some dysgienic crackers, the kind you just want to kick when you see them. They're just a chunk of the population, though, they're not a majority.

I'll also allow as that Appalachian people tend to be kind of ugly compared to other Americans. I blame it on Celtic British blood.

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Historically most all of the country was settled initially by Southerners before an endless flood of Northerners and immigrants came in. So yes, @Eleventyish, we wuz frontiersmen, which was good, because someone had to go out and conquer the continent if the Yankees were going to sit around at home crying and refusing to pay their taxes. Now, said endless flood was mostly Germans anywhere you look as well as a lot of people coming from the North.
This is a perfect example of my complaint about your delusions. It was Sherman's scorched earth strategy which won the Civil War, and later on (with the severity dialed up almost to max) the Indian wars. Were it not for psychotic Yankees killing millions of buffalo, setting up the rail logistics networks to support mass transit into the Plains, Mountain West, and West Coast, we would have had centuries of retarded Borderer-style tit-for-tat skirmishes with the injuns. The superior agency of the Yankee cut the Gordian Knot and made mass settlement possible where before it was isolated hunters.

Certainly man-for-man you are better hunters, but it's logistics that makes soldiers.

I would address the rest of your post, but it's full of rationalizations and it's clear you want to bog me down in deboonking your excess verbosity. Brevity is the soul of wit.

Words for the Yankee are a means of describing and communicating about the world, the better to interact with it. For the Southerner, words are a means for grandstanding and signaling in-group loyalty. Moreover, your anti-intellectualism ensures that most high-agency types are bullied out and become cultural Yankees, ensuring you have no leadership class beyond the authoritarian cop-types and Boss Hoggs eager to sell you out to the Yankees.

It's the whole damn direction of the country ever since. Do you like having your election stolen from you and an illegitimate President on you? Do you like having a bunch of faggot freaks trying to take your kids away so they can cut their dicks off and give them dope? Do you like having the state arbitrarily trample on your gun rights?

All these things and more flow out of places like Boston, Chicago, and San Francisco. Anywhere a Yankee can smell water in large quantities they will flock and begin scheming up ways to terrorize their fellow man, whether it's in the name of Puritan Jesus or George Floyd.

This can be beaten out of them. It's not for spite or the love of cruelty that I want to rape and pillage the Connecticut countryside. It's out of deep love because I know they can be reformed just like Mississippi was. And also for spite and love of cruelty.
Well you've clearly never visited the North if you think you have any chance of winning. In all the places I went to school, some of which were suburbs of major cities or state capitals, we had the first day of hunting season off because none of the teachers and about 1/3 of the students would show up. Plus we know how to drive in feet of snow, while even Kentucky shuts down when they get an inch of it - we have wells, wood stoves, guns, farms, water, and locally produced power.

Along with that, you are too clannish to mass mobilize in sufficient numbers to lead an incursion - it will devolve into county vs county, town vs country, and family vs family long before you march north. And to top it all off, most of the headwaters for Southern rivers are in the north, so we can just open the levees and let mother nature do her thing.

I'm sure that you're not able to comprehend the words I'm saying, but Biden's cabinet is almost entirely jewish or catholic, and the catholics are either irish or eastern european. You are occupied by a cabal of hostile foreign powers, but you are so angry that we're better at mass organized violence that you can't let yourself see the truth.

Sad!

But then again, you do seem eager to cooperate with a different hostile foreign power (communists, russians, eastern europeans) so maybe you're just retarded. Or maybe you see deliberate irrationality as an in-group signaling method, which coincidentally makes it easy for Yankees to both pose as and identify you.

Have you actually seen other people do that, or was that just pointed at me? I feel like I'm in a distinct minority in wanting to enlist the Mexicans to bring about Total Yankee Death.
How is it "pointed at you" when you openly said that Yankees R Da Real Racists earlier in the thread? Are you mentally retarded?

Mexicans have never won a war against White people in their entire lives, and you siding with them (and other hostile powers) to get vengeance against your neighbors for a war you lost solely due to your incompetence is a sign that you are not truly an American, despite whatever accomplishments your ancestors made. Mexico is firmly on the side of Kill Whitey, they can't tolerate the cold, and they are the ones (along with the Chinese) bringing fentanyl and meth to kill you.

In my area, everyone who is a doper is either jewish or Southern (at least culturally). Yankees and Mormons (both cultural and genetic) are largely unaffected.

Don't get me wrong, I want you to side with beaners because I know for a fact that beaners will betray you, and that you'll misceginate with their fat ugly women and lower your IQs to the point that you'll never be a threat to actual Americans. And clearly you'll never accept that I'm correct and you're not because you're rationalizing, not rational; but I'm just pointing out how in every way you're wrong for the audience.

Of course not. They just founded the oldest colonies, founded the oldest representative govt on the continent, established the first de facto independent govt, were in a state of insurrection nearly a decade before New England, commanded the Continental Army, won the Revolutionary War in the campaign from Cowpens to Yorktown, wrote the Declaration of Independence, created the first three state universities and the first public university in the country, did most of the work of creating the Constitution, largely ran the early Republic all the way until the Civil War, created jazz music, country and rock'n'roll and in doing so the foundations of all other modern American music, and did most of the fighting.

They didn't make most of the inventions or scientific breakthroughs. Some of that was Yankees. Some of it was Californians, too, which I'll count as Yankees, I do when they do bad things so I ought to count them when they do good things. But a rather large chunk of that was normal, good Midwesterners, often Amerikaner stock. Fine practical people with engineering in their blood.

They didn't make all the movies and shit. That was mostly a bunch of Jews.

The only thing I can really credit New England with is being the core of American academia.

What a wonderful contribution.
lol perfect example of ethno-narcissistic delusions - try reading authors who don't confirm your priors occasionally, it will skill up your rationality. Or better yet, read authors whom you know disagree with you, so you can determine for yourself what is true, rather than outsourcing your higher thought processes to Southern "confirmed bachelor" historians who are inordinately fond of their black poolboys.
 
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This is a perfect example of my complaint about your delusions. It was Sherman's scorched earth strategy which won the Civil War, and later on (with the severity dialed up almost to max) the Indian wars. Were it not for psychotic Yankees killing millions of buffalo, setting up the rail logistics networks to support mass transit into the Plains, Mountain West, and West Coast, we would have had centuries of retarded Borderer-style tit-for-tat skirmishes with the injuns. The superior agency of the Yankee cut the Gordian Knot and made mass settlement possible where before it was isolated hunters.
There's a vast world out there besides that particular corner of the Plains. Which is still mostly empty to this day...

Certainly man-for-man you are better hunters, but it's logistics that makes soldiers.
No, it's logistics that makes cannon fodder. That's something that Yankees and Russians have in common.
Cannon fodder can still win wars. But let's not pretend there's any great honor in being cannon fodder.
I'd wager you that Medal of Honor winners are way disproportionately from the South even for the South's already disproportionate military service.
I also strongly suspect - have wanted to actually calculate this and run regressions on it - that it could be demonstrated that Southern Unionist units had a disproportionate effect on winning the Civil War.

I would address the rest of your post, but it's full of rationalizations and it's clear you want to bog me down in deboonking your excess verbosity. Brevity is the soul of wit.
That's an interesting way to say you can't be fucked to read. You don't want a comprehensive answer because you're Yankeetude can't stand up to it.

Words for the Yankee are a means of describing and communicating about the world, the better to interact with it. For the Southerner, words are a means for grandstanding and signaling in-group loyalty.
Bullshit.

Moreover, your anti-intellectualism ensures that most high-agency types are bullied out and become cultural Yankees,
My culture's anti-intellectualism. Not mine personally, I read quite a bit and have been pretty successful (so far) in what I do. But that it is indeed a weakness.

Most of those high-agency types are pussies, though. Intellectuals as a group tend to be bad even if self-education is good.

ensuring you have no leadership class beyond the authoritarian cop-types and Boss Hoggs eager to sell you out to the Yankees.
No shit, that's one of my points about building a new kind of Southern identity on class consciousness.

Well you've clearly never visited the North if you think you have any chance of winning. In all the places I went to school, some of which were suburbs of major cities or state capitals, we had the first day of hunting season off because none of the teachers and about 1/3 of the students would show up. Plus we know how to drive in feet of snow, while even Kentucky shuts down when they get an inch of it - we have wells, wood stoves, guns, farms, water, and locally produced power.
What's your point? Rural folk everywhere hunt.

Northern Winter isn't exactly Russian Winter.

Along with that, you are too clannish to mass mobilize in sufficient numbers to lead an incursion - it will devolve into county vs county, town vs country, and family vs family long before you march north. And to top it all off, most of the headwaters for Southern rivers are in the north, so we can just open the levees and let mother nature do her thing.
That's an interesting point. I'm not sure how much of an actual threat that is because in most Civil War II scenarios much of the Rust Belt is assumed to be in the Rightist faction, but even so let's just say you could fuck up the Mississippi River Valley and Tennessee River Valley in horrific fashion by firing some missiles at its dams.

I'm sure that you're not able to comprehend the words I'm saying, but Biden's cabinet is almost entirely jewish or catholic, and the catholics are either irish or eastern european. You are occupied by a cabal of hostile foreign powers, but you are so angry that we're better at mass organized violence that you can't let yourself see the truth.
You must not be familiar with my poasting career here because I bitch about Papists constantly. In fact, one of the most loathsome aspects of the North is its high tolerance for non-Christian religions. English Puritanism at least had SOME good aspects to it. Modern North is dominated by Catholics and Jews and to its severe detriment.

But then again, you do seem eager to cooperate with a different hostile foreign power (communists, russians, eastern europeans) so maybe you're just retarded. Or maybe you see deliberate irrationality as an in-group signaling method, which coincidentally makes it easy for Yankees to both pose as and identify you.
I don't remember ever saying that?

Okay, like, theoretically I'd back a foreign power intervening in a civil war on my side (who wouldn't?), but who is going to that on Right America's side? Nobody. Putin used to claim he'd support Texan independence, but aside from the stupidity of trusting a Russian's word, they're clearly not capable of offensive warfare and the Chinese even more so.

How is it "pointed at you" when you openly said that Yankees R Da Real Racists earlier in the thread? Are you mentally retarded?
Are you?

Again, little Yankee. I'm asking if that's a real trend among other people you've seen or if that was just needling me.

Mexicans have never won a war against White people in their entire lives, and you siding with them (and other hostile powers) to get vengeance against your neighbors for a war you lost solely due to your incompetence is a sign that you are not truly an American, despite whatever accomplishments your ancestors made. Mexico is firmly on the side of Kill Whitey, they can't tolerate the cold, and they are the ones (along with the Chinese) bringing fentanyl and meth to kill you.
They weren't under a White command structure. They can be trained.

On the contrary, mine IS the real America. Yankees showed up later, couldn't be bothered to fight in 1812 despite it mainly being them that were being preyed on, couldn't be bothered to fight Mexico. Fucking useless.

In my area, everyone who is a doper is either jewish or Southern (at least culturally).
Okay? Your point? Like, the vast majority of people I know are not dopers. I should throw out my own experience of reality on your say-so?

Yankees and Mormons (both cultural and genetic) are largely unaffected.
Where the fuck do you live that you're around Mormons? Out West?

Incidentally, Mormons ARE Yankees by ancestry, but considerably less shitty thanks to the White Man's Islam and the rigors of frontier life. Them and that Scottish-influenced Northern New Englanders (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine) are the only decent Yankees.

Don't get me wrong, I want you to side with beaners because I know for a fact that beaners will betray you, and that you'll misceginate with their fat ugly women and lower your IQs to the point that you'll never be a threat to actual Americans. And clearly you'll never accept that I'm correct and you're not because you're rationalizing, not rational; but I'm just pointing out how in every way you're wrong for the audience.
And I don't buy into scientific racism.

lol perfect example of ethno-narcissistic delusions - try reading authors who don't confirm your priors occasionally,
Give recommendations. I'll take a look. Thomas Sowell I read long ago, he claims Blacks are screwed up due to crackerism. I think that's implausible, there's a whole Africa worth of Black that's dysfunctional and no crackers there at all.

it will skill up your rationality.
Will it also enlighten me by own intelligence?
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rather than outsourcing your higher thought processes to Southern "confirmed bachelor" historians who are inordinately fond of their black poolboys.
What is this shit? Some porno thing you watch?

When I beat off to Blacks it's the women getting the big White cock. I call it "conquistador mentality." Fucking brown women to spread Western civilization (which achieved its pinnacle in the South).
 
No, it's logistics that makes cannon fodder. That's something that Yankees and Russians have in common.
Cannon fodder can still win wars. But let's not pretend there's any great honor in being cannon fodder.
I'd wager you that Medal of Honor winners are way disproportionately from the South even for the South's already disproportionate military service.
I also strongly suspect - have wanted to actually calculate this and run regressions on it - that it could be demonstrated that Southern Unionist units had a disproportionate effect on winning the Civil War.
Seeing you blow off logistics as unimportant in war helps me understand why you lost. What was the plan when the South ran out of gunpowder, guns, and rails? Banzai charges?

Most Southerners believe that honor is synonymous with power. The more powerful side is the more honorable side, unless one of the sides is theirs, in which case theirs is more honorable. It is not rational, but rationalizing and a sign of in-group loyalty.

Beyond that, Russians are terrible at logistics. During their recent foray into Ukraine, early on they couldn't give troop transports sufficient fuel, food, maps, or functioning vehicles. Even these days they rely on China and Iran (of all places) to supply them with drones.

Utterly bizarre that you equate Yankees with a people who are about as good at logistics as the South is, unless you're talking about the Irish who are obviously cannon fodder.

The Yankee way of war is essentially naval doctrine brought to land. Move mass-produced low-to-moderate quality troops to defensive positions or chokepoints, and have them sit and shoot at anything which comes at them while taking little risk - these are equivalent to port fortresses and coastal batteries. Then send your high quality troops to pin the enemy down between themselves and the defensive positions, while others destroy logistics networks.

Managing all these men and material requires a force larger than the actual fighting force, though to be fair smaller than the modern 1 to 100+ ratio of tooth to tail.

There's a vast world out there besides that particular corner of the Plains. Which is still mostly empty to this day...
Random gunmen feuding with injuns did not permanently end the threat they posed; cutting off their food supply and harrying them with vastly better equipped regiments did. That was only possible with rail networks to move men and materials west, and then expanding those networks to strangle them to death.

They weren't originally in those parts of the plains, they were hundreds of miles back east. They would up there because we pushed them there, one rail line, canal, and military fort in a chokepoint at a time.

That said, the Texas Rangers did perform superhuman feats of endurance and skill in counter-raiding them deep into their home territory. Southerners are superb mounted light infantry, and it's a shame that none of their leaders made effective use of those skills during the war.

That's an interesting way to say you can't be fucked to read. You don't want a comprehensive answer because you're Yankeetude can't stand up to it.
The issue is that your base assumptions - to the degree that you have a rational basis for your beliefs - are not just wrong or unconsidered, but bizarre and non-sensical. Untangling why you believe multiple things that all contradict one another is not something I am equipped to do, and even if I was I don't have the lifetimes necessary to study or explain it.

It's more sensible to simply say that you are not agreement capable, and that you understand only force. You are either at your neighbors throat or at his feet, and there is no rational basis for the beliefs (which inform your thoughts, which inform your actions). This makes it easier for me to deal with you in a language which you understand.

Bullshit.
Yet here you are responding to my posts with neckbeard memes rather than an unemotional reply.

My culture's anti-intellectualism. Not mine personally, I read quite a bit and have been pretty successful (so far) in what I do. But that it is indeed a weakness.

Most of those high-agency types are pussies, though. Intellectuals as a group tend to be bad even if self-education is good.
Not really, being disagreeable and stating your argument when you are too physically weak to defend yourself is incredibly brave. You conflate an inability to deal violence in the personal with an unwillingness to speak the truth. Though to be fair most intellectuals aren't brave so much as they are oblivious to social pressures.

Most of the people who are employed in academia are not intellectuals, rather than are intelligentsia - regime loyalists whose job is to develop new rationalizations for the Current Thing. Most of them are jews or catholics, and a lot of jannisaries/jannies are hicklibs who think that loyalty will bring them stability, when in fact their loyalty ensures they will never get more than scraps. Coincidentally, their method of argumentation is exactly the same as that of their Southern kin, only twisted and perverted in service to an out-group who hates them.

These people hate and fear me because I'm an actual Yankee, I'm a moderately skilled intellectual, and my politics (ultra-nationalism with localism) is diametrically opposed to theirs. I say I'm moderately skilled because I've met other people - physicists and foreign language scholars mostly - who are as superior to me as I am superior to the average hicklib.

No shit, that's one of my points about building a new kind of Southern identity on class consciousness.
In what way?

The marxist sense won't work except to import Yankee labor unionism to the South, which will lead to deindustrialization of the South as it did in the North.

What you need is something which is moderate and multi-faceted without relying on irrationality as an in-group loyalty signal. Something similar to Francoist Corporatism IMO, as the Spanish character is very close to that of the Southern. Bring every faction to the table, and have them negotiate and periodically renegotiate, with the understanding that as members of the same ethnie you may be rivals but you will never be enemies. This should moderate the exploitiveness of Southern class conflicts, and by letting people have their voices heard assuage bad feelings (most people just want others to really listen to them).

My ideal scenario is one which redirects Southern hostility and aggression south, towards Mexico and other nations bordering the Caribbean which have exploited our goodwill. If I could I would revive the Knights of the Golden Circle, have them colonize that area, and then give up certain northerly states as these areas are depopulated while people move south to establish family estates in the tropics.

I want to do the same in Baja California and Western Mexico with Mormons, and in Brazil with German-Americans. I think that this mutually beneficial agreement (and Total Libtard Enslavement) would prevent another Civil War, protect all four of our nations, and ensure that we are all ideally placed for national security, access to resources, and access to water.

Us Yankees get Canada, of course. Except for Quebec, they can fuck right off and be their own nation.

What's your point? Rural folk everywhere hunt.

Northern Winter isn't exactly Russian Winter.
The point is that everyone north of the Mason Dixie line isn't a pushover, we aren't eager to lick Boss Hogg's boot, and we can simply stop plowing the roads to cockblock you.

The Great Lakes routinely dump feet of snow in a single night. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially given how unprepared the average Southerner is to deal with it.

That's an interesting point. I'm not sure how much of an actual threat that is because in most Civil War II scenarios much of the Rust Belt is assumed to be in the Rightist faction, but even so let's just say you could fuck up the Mississippi River Valley and Tennessee River Valley in horrific fashion by firing some missiles at its dams.
Just because someone is a Rightist for their side doesn't mean they support Rightists not on their side. And we don't need missiles, there are levees on the Ohio River's tributaries well within Yankee territory. We can just bulldoze some earthworks and that will have a cascading effect downstream, taking out more levees as it goes.

It's similar to the asymmetry of the North being able to float men and materials down rivers basically for free, while the South had to laboriously haul them upstream. It's an advantage of geography that requires you to invade to hold it, and the invasion is hostile both in the armed population and in terms of weather. It is better to avoid war and refocus your efforts further south, for our mutual benefit (and for which we'd offer logistical and Sherman-style beaner pacification assistance).

Once you have multiple nations and an entire sea to yourself, plus a navy, you shouldn't be much threatened by our control of the headwaters.

Consider this an amicable divorce offer, I guess.

Okay, like, theoretically I'd back a foreign power intervening in a civil war on my side (who wouldn't?), but who is going to that on Right America's side? Nobody. Putin used to claim he'd support Texan independence, but aside from the stupidity of trusting a Russian's word, they're clearly not capable of offensive warfare and the Chinese even more so.
Okay then, I'll chalk it up to poorly developed sentences on your part.

I'm asking if that's a real trend among other people you've seen or if that was just needling me.
I'm incredibly racist, I'm not bothered by the allegation that "Yankees are the real racists," in the slightest. Proof of Yankee superiority. Anyways, let's move on.

They weren't under a White command structure. They can be trained.

On the contrary, mine IS the real America. Yankees showed up later, couldn't be bothered to fight in 1812 despite it mainly being them that were being preyed on, couldn't be bothered to fight Mexico. Fucking useless.
Have you ever overseen a Mexican work crew?

We had a much smaller population prior to industrialization as the land up north is less fertile and the weather is colder. Beating the earth for it's energy is a full time job.

Also we tended to expel or outright kill the poor, because many of them are terminal fuck-ups which is the reason why they're poor. Being charitable in a place with such a short growing season is a death sentence, so it's better for them to leave than to kill everyone.

We were also busy going on what were essentially homicidal rampages against injuns before and just after the Revolutionary War, and later on beating the shit out of the Irish whom our overlords imported to undercut labor costs.

Regardless, all of that is in the past. Anyone who showed up before the 1800s is an American, and you wanting to kill them for shit that happened 160 years ago is by definition anti-American. My earliest European ancestor from my dad's side of the family came over in the late 1600s. On my mother's side of the family, the earliest ancestor was a Spanish nobleman that showed up in the 1700s. He ran a farm and captured indios from the islands of the coast of California to enslave them, one of whom he took as a wife (who was technically here for thousands of years, though were obviously not American). And a few generations later one of his descendants married a Union officer who was stationed in California for the war, to catch Confederate pirates.

Okay? Your point? Like, the vast majority of people I know are not dopers. I should throw out my own experience of reality on your say-so?
Let's just say that I don't appreciate you sending your biotrash to my state, and I salivate at the chance to enslave and castrate them once the federal government isn't around to stop me. The entitlement and imperious attitude combined with the complete dependence on my taxes for survival does not make me think kindly of Southerners, especially when other Southerners come to the defense of fentanyl zombies solely because they are co-ethnics.

Where the fuck do you live that you're around Mormons? Out West?

Incidentally, Mormons ARE Yankees by ancestry, but considerably less shitty thanks to the White Man's Islam and the rigors of frontier life. Them and that Scottish-influenced Northern New Englanders (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine) are the only decent Yankees.
Well I do have an entire thread about homeless people, draw your own conclusions.

I don't hate Mormons, I just don't want to live by them and I want to use them as a weapon against mexicans. I wish them well in founding Zion down south on the Pacific.

It really seems like you're retreating from hating Yankees in themselves to hating people from Boston and Massachusetts, to which I say: have you met anyone from Connecticut?

Also it's amusing that you equate being likable and hard-working with being of the same ethnic stock as yourself or influenced by them. Everyone in New England is hard-working, it's bred into them, though I'm more of a Great Lakes Yankee by descent. More relaxed.

And I don't buy into scientific racism.
I think it's more that you don't buy into science. Your loss.

What is this shit? Some porno thing you watch?

When I beat off to Blacks it's the women getting the big White cock. I call it "conquistador mentality." Fucking brown women to spread Western civilization (which achieved its pinnacle in the South).
I'm saying that a sizable minority of Southern writers are buggery enthusiasts, and that you should not trust what they say solely because they have the same accent and mannerisms as you.

Will it also enlighten me by own intelligence?
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No, I'm saying that you get better at something by playing against someone who is better than you. It works the same whether it's basketball or constructing arguments from pieces of logic. Again, your loss if you decline.

You must not be familiar with my poasting career here because I bitch about Papists constantly. In fact, one of the most loathsome aspects of the North is its high tolerance for non-Christian religions. English Puritanism at least had SOME good aspects to it. Modern North is dominated by Catholics and Jews and to its severe detriment.
Agreed, which is why I advocate for stealing catholic and jewish women.

Also, have you ever not been in a street fight?
 
Idiots like Howard Zinn started be taken seriously honestly I'm going to dig up howardson's body **** hits the pan jumping into a toxic waste dump
 
Idiots like Howard Zinn started be taken seriously honestly I'm going to dig up howardson's body **** hits the pan jumping into a toxic waste dump
If you look up any anarchist who loathes any group of Americans, you'll find they are either jewish, eastern european, or irish catholic.

In Oregon specifically there are a ton of ethnic Czech academics who made their career hating on Americans.
 
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You know, I remember a Steve Sailer article where he discussed a movie by Robert Redford where he portrayed a suspected Confederate spy as a sympathetic victim persecuted by Republicans:
The Conspirator: Guantanamo Nay
Robert Redford’s courtroom drama The Conspirator recounts the 1865 trial by a military tribunal of Confederate partisan Mary Surratt for her murky role in John Wilkes Booth’s plot to murder Abraham Lincoln. Redford obviously intends his movie as a parable denouncing George W. Bush’s employment of military tribunals instead of jury trials for Guantanamo Bay prisoners.

However, Barack Obama’s March 7, 2011 decision to abandon his campaign pledge and resume Guantanamo tribunals took the wind out of Redford’s sails. Whenever Obama does something he had previously denounced Bush for doing, such as starting a war in the Middle East, the media glumly attempt to impose a no-fly zone over the topic and dutifully divert attention elsewhere.
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Still, The Conspirator is of considerable interest, both for its cast’s quality and because the 74-year-old Redford seems to have no idea how unfashionable his view of post-Civil War history has become since he arrived on the New York stage in the late 1950s. The Conspirator reflects the anti-Republican prejudice endemic in history textbooks when Redford was in school. To imply that 21st-century Republicans are deluded by Islamophobia, Redford argues that 1865’s Republicans were crazed by Confederophobia.

Oops.
For a long time, southerners were traditionally Democrats. So the Democrat party openly sympathized with the view that Reconstruction screwed over the South.
Everyone says history is written by the victors, but it’s actually written by the historiographers. For the first century after 1865, white Southerners wrote most Civil War histories and almost all the accounts of the subsequent Reconstruction. Their anger over the postwar military occupation was transmitted in two vastly popular movies: 1915’s The Birth of a Nation and 1939’s Gone with the Wind. After FDR’s 1932 victory, white Southerners made up a large fraction of the New Deal coalition. Hence, the liberal Democrats who wrote most mid-century history books pandered to the South’s view of Reconstruction as a grave injustice.

Only with the rise of blacks in the late 1960s did Reconstruction come under scrutiny. Redford’s movie, set entirely in Washington, DC in 1865, features only one line spoken by an African-American.

With heavy irony, Redford implies that the true conspirator was not poor Mrs. Surratt but Secretary of War Edwin Stanton (played by the imposing Kevin Kline as a Cheney-Rumsfeld evil authoritarian). In The Conspirator, Stanton railroads through the trial of eight civilians by military judges. (Historically speaking, new President Andrew Johnson, a Tennessee Democrat, seems to have been more convinced of Mrs. Surratt’s guilt than Stanton was.)

Stanton, tireless organizer of the Union war effort, ought to be an American hero almost on a par with Ulysses S. Grant and William T. Sherman. Yet his renown is slight because he was long vilified by Democratic writers for causing the Republicans” 1868 impeachment of President Johnson. (Stanton refused Johnson’s demand that he resign for protecting freed slaves” civil rights.) In John F. Kennedy’s Pulitzer Prize-winning 1955 bestseller Profiles in Courage, JFK’s speechwriter Theodore Sorensen lambasted Stanton as “the surreptitious tool of the Radical Republicans” who “was seeking to become the almighty dictator of the conquered South.”
But then during the 1960's, white southerners turned to the Republican party, leaving black southerners as the only reliable Democratic voting bloc in the South. Then the Democrats began speaking of the Confederacy in the same breath as Nazi Germany, trying to ignore the fact that the Union was primarily Republicans, and trying to destroy Confederate monuments and history.

Only old fogeys like Robert Redford remember a world where the Democrats were fond of the South.
 
Seeing you blow off logistics as unimportant in war helps me understand why you lost. What was the plan when the South ran out of gunpowder, guns, and rails? Banzai charges?

Most Southerners believe that honor is synonymous with power. The more powerful side is the more honorable side, unless one of the sides is theirs, in which case theirs is more honorable. It is not rational, but rationalizing and a sign of in-group loyalty.

Beyond that, Russians are terrible at logistics. During their recent foray into Ukraine, early on they couldn't give troop transports sufficient fuel, food, maps, or functioning vehicles. Even these days they rely on China and Iran (of all places) to supply them with drones.

Utterly bizarre that you equate Yankees with a people who are about as good at logistics as the South is, unless you're talking about the Irish who are obviously cannon fodder.

The Yankee way of war is essentially naval doctrine brought to land. Move mass-produced low-to-moderate quality troops to defensive positions or chokepoints, and have them sit and shoot at anything which comes at them while taking little risk - these are equivalent to port fortresses and coastal batteries. Then send your high quality troops to pin the enemy down between themselves and the defensive positions, while others destroy logistics networks.

Managing all these men and material requires a force larger than the actual fighting force, though to be fair smaller than the modern 1 to 100+ ratio of tooth to tail.

Random gunmen feuding with injuns did not permanently end the threat they posed; cutting off their food supply and harrying them with vastly better equipped regiments did. That was only possible with rail networks to move men and materials west, and then expanding those networks to strangle them to death.

They weren't originally in those parts of the plains, they were hundreds of miles back east. They would up there because we pushed them there, one rail line, canal, and military fort in a chokepoint at a time.

That said, the Texas Rangers did perform superhuman feats of endurance and skill in counter-raiding them deep into their home territory. Southerners are superb mounted light infantry, and it's a shame that none of their leaders made effective use of those skills during the war.
You have this obsession with Plains Indians to the exclusion of everything else. The War of 1812 was largely fought by Southern armies (while New England pissed and shit itself and cried about how it would secede) with the victory - over the largest, last-ditch effort of the American Indian to resist - being lead by a Virginian and a Tennessean respectively. This you've referred to yourself, obliquely, but without any awareness of who was serving in those armies, commanding those armies and voting for the war in the first place.

You're celebrating, jerking yourself off, over a victory your Yankee ancestors barely participated in.

The issue is that your base assumptions - to the degree that you have a rational basis for your beliefs - are not just wrong or unconsidered, but bizarre and non-sensical. Untangling why you believe multiple things that all contradict one another is not something I am equipped to do, and even if I was I don't have the lifetimes necessary to study or explain it.
That's a lot of words to say "I have no counterargument."

It's more sensible to simply say that you are not agreement capable, and that you understand only force. You are either at your neighbors throat or at his feet, and there is no rational basis for the beliefs (which inform your thoughts, which inform your actions). This makes it easier for me to deal with you in a language which you understand.
It is always easier to just blow people off when you're losing a debate.

Not really, being disagreeable and stating your argument when you are too physically weak to defend yourself is incredibly brave. You conflate an inability to deal violence in the personal with an unwillingness to speak the truth. Though to be fair most intellectuals aren't brave so much as they are oblivious to social pressures.

Most of the people who are employed in academia are not intellectuals, rather than are intelligentsia - regime loyalists whose job is to develop new rationalizations for the Current Thing. Most of them are jews or catholics, and a lot of jannisaries/jannies are hicklibs who think that loyalty will bring them stability, when in fact their loyalty ensures they will never get more than scraps. Coincidentally, their method of argumentation is exactly the same as that of their Southern kin, only twisted and perverted in service to an out-group who hates them.

These people hate and fear me because I'm an actual Yankee, I'm a moderately skilled intellectual, and my politics (ultra-nationalism with localism) is diametrically opposed to theirs. I say I'm moderately skilled because I've met other people - physicists and foreign language scholars mostly - who are as superior to me as I am superior to the average hicklib.
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In what way?
Interpretation of history that prioritizes the role of concentrated business (large landowners, industrialists, corporations) in using race war to fuck over a lower class that has more in common with each other.

Embracing the concept of what I call "middle class nationalism," which as I understand Samuel Francis developed similar ideas.

The marxist sense won't work except to import Yankee labor unionism to the South, which will lead to deindustrialization of the South as it did in the North.
Depends on whether you combine it with protectionism or not.

What you need is something which is moderate and multi-faceted without relying on irrationality as an in-group loyalty signal. Something similar to Francoist Corporatism IMO, as the Spanish character is very close to that of the Southern. Bring every faction to the table, and have them negotiate and periodically renegotiate, with the understanding that as members of the same ethnie you may be rivals but you will never be enemies. This should moderate the exploitiveness of Southern class conflicts, and by letting people have their voices heard assuage bad feelings (most people just want others to really listen to them).
I'm familiar with Francoist corporatism. Actually read quite a lot on it in the past.

It sucks.

I can see a similarity in that both countries have a strong traditional of particularism (is that the right word? very regional, very concerned with local autonomy) and Bible-thumping.

My ideal scenario is one which redirects Southern hostility and aggression south, towards Mexico and other nations bordering the Caribbean which have exploited our goodwill. If I could I would revive the Knights of the Golden Circle, have them colonize that area, and then give up certain northerly states as these areas are depopulated while people move south to establish family estates in the tropics.
I would too.

I want to do the same in Baja California and Western Mexico with Mormons, and in Brazil with German-Americans. I think that this mutually beneficial agreement (and Total Libtard Enslavement) would prevent another Civil War, protect all four of our nations, and ensure that we are all ideally placed for national security, access to resources, and access to water.
Also would endorse this.

Us Yankees get Canada, of course. Except for Quebec, they can fuck right off and be their own nation.
Don't care what happens to Canada

The point is that everyone north of the Mason Dixie line isn't a pushover, we aren't eager to lick Boss Hogg's boot, and we can simply stop plowing the roads to cockblock you.
I've never said they are. But I can forgive you for assuming that as it's a common (dumb) belief.

The Great Lakes routinely dump feet of snow in a single night. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially given how unprepared the average Southerner is to deal with it.
Fair enough.

Just because someone is a Rightist for their side doesn't mean they support Rightists not on their side. And we don't need missiles, there are levees on the Ohio River's tributaries well within Yankee territory. We can just bulldoze some earthworks and that will have a cascading effect downstream, taking out more levees as it goes.
Well, the good thing is that Mississippi is expendable.

Have you ever overseen a Mexican work crew?
No

Regardless, all of that is in the past. Anyone who showed up before the 1800s is an American, and you wanting to kill them for shit that happened 160 years ago is by definition anti-American. My earliest European ancestor from my dad's side of the family came over in the late 1600s. On my mother's side of the family, the earliest ancestor was a Spanish nobleman that showed up in the 1700s. He ran a farm and captured indios from the islands of the coast of California to enslave them, one of whom he took as a wife (who was technically here for thousands of years, though were obviously not American). And a few generations later one of his descendants married a Union officer who was stationed in California for the war, to catch Confederate pirates.
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That's actually a pretty cool story TBH (both having Californio blood and the part about being involved in the anti-convoy raider fleet).

Let's just say that I don't appreciate you sending your biotrash to my state, and I salivate at the chance to enslave and castrate them once the federal government isn't around to stop me. The entitlement and imperious attitude combined with the complete dependence on my taxes for survival does not make me think kindly of Southerners, especially when other Southerners come to the defense of fentanyl zombies solely because they are co-ethnics.
Then it should please you that I want to introduce a concept of state-level citizenship.

I'm saying that a sizable minority of Southern writers are buggery enthusiasts, and that you should not trust what they say solely because they have the same accent and mannerisms as you.
That's true of writers in general. Art is for queers.

Also, have you ever not been in a street fight?
Have you really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
 
You have this obsession with Plains Indians to the exclusion of everything else. The War of 1812 was largely fought by Southern armies (while New England pissed and shit itself and cried about how it would secede) with the victory - over the largest, last-ditch effort of the American Indian to resist - being lead by a Virginian and a Tennessean respectively. This you've referred to yourself, obliquely, but without any awareness of who was serving in those armies, commanding those armies and voting for the war in the first place.

You're celebrating, jerking yourself off, over a victory your Yankee ancestors barely participated in.
They pushed the frontier back over a hundred miles during the Civil War, and moreover you've claimed that the South exclusively fought and defeated them both here and in earlier posts. Even if this is true (it's not, the army was staffed by men from the North, South, and non-participants from further west), those armies were equipped, armed, fed, and transported by Yankee logistics networks.

I know you are in love with this idea of the mountain man being relevant to defeating hordes of rampaging injuns, but other than the Rangers and isolated skirmishes this is not true.

If troops can't eat, they can't fight. An army marches on its stomach.

That's a lot of words to say "I have no counterargument."

It is always easier to just blow people off when you're losing a debate.
If you had any sense you would consider the implications of my words, but once again you're more interested in feuding and scoring points than in accepting wisdom where you find it.

Something I've noticed: guys who value toughness aren't able to discuss something with a mind to figure it out as they discuss it. Instead all discussions are either orders from an superior to an inferior or pissing contests as two equals suss out a hierarchy.

I'm not tough because I don't have to be. If you're smart and wise, toughness is optional. I can just not do stupid or foolish things.

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Interpretation of history that prioritizes the role of concentrated business (large landowners, industrialists, corporations) in using race war to fuck over a lower class that has more in common with each other.

Embracing the concept of what I call "middle class nationalism," which as I understand Samuel Francis developed similar ideas.
This is a vantablack coal normie belief. I don't know if niggers are different down there - I doubt they are, I remember a criminal trial where a pack of niggers raped some young man and his girlfriend, then tortured them both to death - but everywhere else I've been they are at best a nuisance and at worst a health hazard.

They do not contribute anything economically, and they are used to beat uppity White poor and middle class people to keep them working hard to avoid the diversity.

If I were in charge I would refuse to prosecute crimes against them and grant blanket pardons for all White people to commit crimes against them until they gracelessly expire. Maybe give the women an out if they become surrogates for straight couples who want more children.

It is true that labor intensive fields and those with especially expensive labor tend to be run by people who support open borders, but at this point it costs society and businesses far more than they ever profit from it. There is no rational reason to support mandatory diversity except hatred of White people, and given what we as a race contribute to the world this is irrational. It's likely a religious belief.

Given the jewish, catholic, irish, and slavic staffing of Biden's regime, it's almost certainly hatred of WASPs. The Northern WASPs are utterly defeated, and you are the only open resistance left. It's a shame that you want to waste this opportunity to unite and rule this country by digging up memories best left buried and reignite a civil war, but at least this will re-awaken my fellow Yankees and give us a reason to unite and fight.

I will be a little sad when we starve you to death in such a scenario, assuming you're foolish enough to pursue it rather than ethnically cleanse all the non-WASPs within 50 miles of Washington DC.

Depends on whether you combine it with protectionism or not.
You'd need to add mercantile capitalism along with protectionism, as per the British empire and the USA prior to about 1965. Manufacturers and farmers do not like tariffs unless the other side can't also impose tariffs on them.

That said, with nukes and a navy we could easily terrorize the turd world into sending us all their women under the age of 30, or set up colonies. I am 100% onboard with Nuclear Theodore Roosevelt style diplomacy, privateering fleets, private colonial trade (resource extraction) companies, and literal space privateers/colonies. But we'd need to unite to do that.

Going heavy on states rights is probably the best way to do this, along with gutting 90% of the federal government.

We could even use the gays as a sort of Dirlewanger brigade, and unleash them on uppity swarthoids. They're clearly psychopaths, it's the perfect role for them.

I'm familiar with Francoist corporatism. Actually read quite a lot on it in the past.

It sucks.

I can see a similarity in that both countries have a strong traditional of particularism (is that the right word? very regional, very concerned with local autonomy) and Bible-thumping.
You'd have to change it to suit the particulars of your circumstances, but in any case strong states rights solves the problem.

The similarity between Spain and the South is that both are:
  • Comfortable with a bit of hypocrisy to reduce social tension.
  • Hot-blooded.
  • Very horny.
  • Excellent mounted light infantry.
  • Possess a domineering spirit.
  • Very religious.
  • Tend to be as devoted in their other interests (college football) as they are to their religion.
  • Very social, without being over-socialized.
  • Very practical in economic terms.
Don't care what happens to Canada
There are a lot of truly excellent people outside of Ottawa, which is like the Capital from the Hunger Games (my spouse was obsessed with it a decade ago). They deserve better than Trudeau and pajeets. Many of them are descended from American colonists who were loyal to England, too.

That's actually a pretty cool story TBH (both having Californio blood and the part about being involved in the anti-convoy raider fleet).
There are a lot of weird side stories from the Civil War that don't see much coverage because Ellis Islanders harp about MUH SHERMAN, MUH MARCH TO DUH C, MUH LOSERS WITH DUR FLAG HURR DURR DURR I'M TARDTED or I LOVE NIGGER FAGGOTS. Endless idiocy, all because kikes are obsessed with niggers.
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Then it should please you that I want to introduce a concept of state-level citizenship.
That is exactly what should happen. My modification to the Bill of Rights would be that the rights apply to any polity as well as individuals, and that certain rights imply their opposite. For example, a right of free association implies a right of disassociation, which is also known as discrimination.

The polities thing means that any polity (state, county/parish/whatever, city, township, village, etc) should be allowed to secede from any other polity. Similarly, any polity should be free to expel any other polity from it's association, like that one village in I think Oklahoma which is adjacent to an interstate highway, and they use this position to give arbitrary tickets to people on the highway while employing ever retard in their extended family as cops. Clearly they should be expelled from Oklahoma and threatened with deportation if they ever set foot in Oklahoma, which will result in them starving to death in their little enclave until they surrender and agree to stop being retards.

Then, instead of relying on the federal government to get mutli-state shit done, we use pacts and agreements to cooperate on certain things, like river watershed management, water rights, currencies, industrial policy, and so on.

Speaking of currencies, the USA should have more than one currency because states that rely on exports (typically those dominated by farming) do not have the same economic priorities as those who rely on domestic markets for industrial goods (or they would if we had a protectionist industrial policy). One is best served by a strong currency, the other by a weak currency.

And then if you do stuff like devolving most military units to national guard or coast guard, and allow people to own military hardware and set up their own private military units, then we don't have to fund an army. Combined with colonial companies and privateering or treasure hunting as a career path, this leads to a self-funding military with none of the political rot of our current regime.

This also creates redundant logistical infrastructure and distributes it across the entire USA, which protects us from the sabotage campaign I assume that China, Iran, Mexico, and Russia are currently waging against us.

It also ensures that Lincoln/FDR/Clinton/Obama/Biden style tyranny is impossible, or at least inadvisable.

That's true of writers in general. Art is for queers.
I disagree, but I understand why you'd say that given the state of publishing, film, music, art, and especially theater these days. We can't even call popular theater (wrestling) theater these days, because the difference between the two is so stark.

If you left your kid alone at a wrestling match, he'd probably end up on stage mock-wrestling the actors. If you left him alone at a play, he'd be molested by some fag. Contrast this to the days of Shakespeare, when theater was treated about the same as wrestling is today. Weirdly enough the only thing that closely links pro-social culture and performance art today are black churches, where the audience is expected and required to participate in the performance.

Gaming is pretty much the only art form we own, and that's contested by libtards.
 
My best guess is when southern pride switched its focus from chivalry to being a rebel after the Civil War. The cornerstone speech did a number to also perpetuate the notion of the civil war being about slavery, which pretty much informs the average view of southerners today.
 
They pushed the frontier back over a hundred miles during the Civil War, and moreover you've claimed that the South exclusively fought and defeated them both here and in earlier posts. Even if this is true (it's not, the army was staffed by men from the North, South, and non-participants from further west), those armies were equipped, armed, fed, and transported by Yankee logistics networks.
Not exclusively. Just were the primary/disproportionate force behind it.

I know you are in love with this idea of the mountain man being relevant to defeating hordes of rampaging injuns, but other than the Rangers and isolated skirmishes this is not true.
Again, not fur trapper types. The regular Army.

This is a vantablack coal normie belief. I don't know if niggers are different down there - I doubt they are, I remember a criminal trial where a pack of niggers raped some young man and his girlfriend, then tortured them both to death - but everywhere else I've been they are at best a nuisance and at worst a health hazard.
That was Knoxville, I think. They're more prone to criminality here as they are elsewhere. When you adjust for that the murder rate basically falls in line with the North, which is another one of those things that puts to lie the idea of some uniquely violent South. But it's different in other ways.

Many conservative types that I've known, both Northerners and foreigners, have remarked with surprise on coming here at how peaceful the race relations are. A specific expression that comes up frequently is that Blacks have a "chip on their shoulder" outside of the South. That they are simply more aggressive and rude toward Whites. Within the South this is less so and they're more integrated in to the general population.

So they do still commit more crime, they do vote mainly Democrat, and so on and so forth, but the tone of race relations is different. They're dysfunctional, but their dysfunctionality doesn't come across as tribalistic or like some existential threat to their White neighbors. They likewise are WAY less aggressive politically.

This is much less true in large cities and that is in part due to the influence of carpetbaggers and Northern Blacks that moved back when it went from the New South to the Sunbelt South (hence sores on the country like Atlanta and Memphis).

The big thing is that the Yankees themselves come in with a fear of Black people (it's the honest ones that admit it) and then mellow out.

You're always going to have depravity anywhere and in any population. They're more disruptive than the Whites here, I just don't think that it's so bad as to want them gone, whereas in the average Northern city it sounds like it's totally understandable why they'd want them gone.

They do not contribute anything economically, and they are used to beat uppity White poor and middle class people to keep them working hard to avoid the diversity.
I don't know any statistics on it for my state but my general impression is that they largely work for their livings like everyone else.
You know, welfare is something that could be fixed. You tighten up on access to it. People shouldn't be getting free shit in the first place.

If I were in charge I would refuse to prosecute crimes against them and grant blanket pardons for all White people to commit crimes against them until they gracelessly expire. Maybe give the women an out if they become surrogates for straight couples who want more children.
That's immoral and ultimately degrading to the Whites themselves to carry on that way.

It is true that labor intensive fields and those with especially expensive labor tend to be run by people who support open borders, but at this point it costs society and businesses far more than they ever profit from it. There is no rational reason to support mandatory diversity except hatred of White people, and given what we as a race contribute to the world this is irrational. It's likely a religious belief.

Given the jewish, catholic, irish, and slavic staffing of Biden's regime, it's almost certainly hatred of WASPs. The Northern WASPs are utterly defeated, and you are the only open resistance left.
I hate the concept of WASPs. It itself is one of those things that reveals the Yankeecentrism of American thought. It's a valid descriptor (albeit one that is designed to be a snarl world/insult, "wasp") of ethnic Northerners but there is nothing "Anglo-Saxon" about Southerners. You I'm sure know that, I'm just bitching about it because these dumbfuck Jewish academics and media men call everybody that isn't White ethnic a "WASP."

I think the country's quality was greatly reduced by letting in Catholics and Jews. I often point to Italians as evidence that Mexicans can assimilate (they're very similar sociologically and in historical experience), but that doesn't mean we're actually better off for having brought them in. Likewise I see the Mexicans as an inevitability (the Whites, in all regions of the country, are too pathetic to fight for their heritage anymore) and I figure we can make the most of a bad situation adjusting to them, but they're not good in and of themselves. It does, perhaps, fulfill a sort of destiny that the Indian race is returning to this land with civilization now.

Anyhow, my complaint with Catholicism is that I think it's totally at odds with Anglo-American values. Catholicism was essentially a political religion in the same way Islam was, but even worse. Utterly intolerant of other systems. Very elitist/antidemocratic, could be compared to a Soviet-like bureaucracy. Centralized authority. I know that in practice the Church was a very complex institution, but at the end of the day it still vests its power in one man who claims to speak for God. Historically it was very reactionary, until it became infested with Jesuit Marxist fucks and became sympathetic to communists in some parts. It fought against Freemasonry, which was a fine American/revolutionary tradition.

I think its structure and values naturally lend it to a sort of peasant mentality. Submit to authority, listen to God's Holiest Warlord, be a good serf. That's without getting into all of the purely religious but appalling aspects of it (like saints, purgatory and confessionals) stuff.

Of course Catholics have gone on to be good Americans, but I can't help but see it as that they have been good Americans in spite of being Catholics, that their Catholicism has played a big role in progressivism taking off so much (by watering down the spirit of Anglo-America that values personal freedom, decentralized power and individual responsibility), and it would have been way worse if they hadn't been bullied. Like, people mock the Know Nothings now, but I bet you that if we had folks like that or the 2nd Klan running around today there'd be no Muslim problem and Muslims would assimilate even keeping their religion, and if we hadn't persecuted Catholics they would have been way more aggressive like Muslims.

All told, it's not worth tangling with them but I despise their religion and look forward to it dying out (as evidenced by Latin America rapidly going Evangelical, an American religion).

It's a shame that you want to waste this opportunity to unite and rule this country by digging up memories best left buried and reignite a civil war, but at least this will re-awaken my fellow Yankees and give us a reason to unite and fight.
I wonder if you aren't taking this joke debate a lot more seriously than I am.

You'd need to add mercantile capitalism along with protectionism, as per the British empire and the USA prior to about 1965. Manufacturers and farmers do not like tariffs unless the other side can't also impose tariffs on them.
You know, one thing that amuses me (or fills me with scorn, or both) is how Trump populists in the South will wave their Southern flags so much, and likewise Trump enemies will say how he's literally the Klan, when their policies are basically the same shit (protectionism, nativism, Protestant Bible-thumping) as the Republicans of the Civil War era.

There are a lot of weird side stories from the Civil War that don't see much coverage because Ellis Islanders harp about MUH SHERMAN, MUH MARCH TO DUH C, MUH LOSERS WITH DUR FLAG HURR DURR DURR I'M TARDTED or I LOVE NIGGER FAGGOTS. Endless idiocy, all because kikes are obsessed with niggers.
My favorites are Indian Territory and the Texas-Colorado duel for Confederate Arizona. Which at one point had two Mexicans (a Union and a Confederate one) literally fighting with their respective flags like polearms, and had Comanches, Apache and Navajo all on the warpath simultaneously. Massive clusterfuck. Basically never see it depicted in anything Civil War related.

That is exactly what should happen. My modification to the Bill of Rights would be that the rights apply to any polity as well as individuals, and that certain rights imply their opposite. For example, a right of free association implies a right of disassociation, which is also known as discrimination.
I feel that there might have been a justification for discrimination laws at one point, but if nothing else the selective enforcement of them has proven that there is no excuse for Whites to tolerate it anymore.

The polities thing means that any polity (state, county/parish/whatever, city, township, village, etc) should be allowed to secede from any other polity. Similarly, any polity should be free to expel any other polity from it's association, like that one village in I think Oklahoma which is adjacent to an interstate highway, and they use this position to give arbitrary tickets to people on the highway while employing ever retard in their extended family as cops. Clearly they should be expelled from Oklahoma and threatened with deportation if they ever set foot in Oklahoma, which will result in them starving to death in their little enclave until they surrender and agree to stop being retards.
Like Jefferson's ward republics.

Then, instead of relying on the federal government to get mutli-state shit done, we use pacts and agreements to cooperate on certain things, like river watershed management, water rights, currencies, industrial policy, and so on.
Agreed

Speaking of currencies, the USA should have more than one currency because states that rely on exports (typically those dominated by farming) do not have the same economic priorities as those who rely on domestic markets for industrial goods (or they would if we had a protectionist industrial policy). One is best served by a strong currency, the other by a weak currency.
I guess. I don't know a lot about this so I can't really say, but the longer I'm on this Earth the more sympathetic I feel to the gold standard. It could be competing cryptocurrencies at this point.

If you left your kid alone at a wrestling match, he'd probably end up on stage mock-wrestling the actors. If you left him alone at a play, he'd be molested by some fag. Contrast this to the days of Shakespeare, when theater was treated about the same as wrestling is today. Weirdly enough the only thing that closely links pro-social culture and performance art today are black churches, where the audience is expected and required to participate in the performance.
That is an interesting point.

You know, this might sound real wanky to you, but something I like about Pentecostal and similar churches (basically, any church that feels like a Black church) is that their religious services are kind of to worship what jazz music is to music. There is a great deal of improvisation in them. A great deal of emphasis on performative oratory (from the preacher) that is not scripted (at least not down to the words). Audience participation back with gesticulations, people testify and butt in. It's also more democratic. On the other hand, I'd compare something like the liturgical faiths to classical music (very tightly composed and meticulous).

It's no accident, of course, both aspects of life reflect the underlying values of the culture.

Tell me more about wrestling and Shakespearean plays, I'm interested in hearing more about that.
 
It's just libtards, there's no Protocols of the Learned Elders of Boston despite the delusions of the typical Southerner.

If libtards actually knew just how much a certain class of Southern people act exactly like niggers they would come to their defense more often, but most libtards are either hicklibs fleeing the communities that rejected them for being sex weirdos or extremely sheltered so they just parrot whatever they hear other libtards say. The Democrat party was a century ago the party of free shit for Southern wiggers too incompetent to for example build their own hydro power plants.

In my area every White junkie is either a kike from California or speaks in a strong Southern accent. This along with their niggerish ways and tendency to rape and love of theft is why all homeless junkies who pop on a drug test for anything but pot should be summarily executed.
BTW I just can't get the phrase "Learned Protocols of the Elders of Boston" out of my head. I think it's going to be the name of an alt account if I ever make one.
 
BTW I just can't get the phrase "Learned Protocols of the Elders of Boston" out of my head. I think it's going to be the name of an alt account if I ever make one.
It's a good turn of phrase.

I don't have the time right now to give your post the reply it deserves, but I am thinking about it and researching some of my assertions. I'm specifically trying to find something I read freshman year for a history class.

Technically the Boston and New England clique is the marriage of German/Austrian/Hungarian Jews and Irish Catholics, aka Obama's Chicago machine that now makes up most of the Ivy League thinking class minus MIT (who are Russian Jews and Taiwanese). Go look up Cass Sunstein and Samantha Power (the most Irish face I have ever seen), the quintessential DC power couple. Adrian Vermeule is another swamp creature.
 
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