How did you form your moral worldview?

[Lemmingwise]

I am curious where people's morality derives from, if you observe any knowingly.

I find that nobody is immune from acting as moral agents, even nihilists or hedonists can be observed doing things or holding beliefs that seem to be more for moral reasons than pure selfishness.

Of course, no matter what ideals a person has, nobody is perfect in following it.

So unless you want to write an essay about how your moral framework was formed, let's ask a couple of questions to get things started:

1. What is the most virtuous endeavor a person can do?

2. What is the opposite, the most sinful?

3. What' the frequency where you examine the morality of your actions?

4.a Did you form your own opinion on morality or did it derive from an authority? 4.b Which authority?

5. If you did form your own opinion, what was the most defining moment in that development?

6a. Is there anyone you trust to have a better moral view than yourself? 6b. Why (not)?

7a. Do you think other people should follow your moral view? 7b. Do you remove people from your life that don't?

8. Do you have any experience where you were surprised for your own sense of justice or morality?

9. What popular activity do you consider immoral?

10. What is popularly considered immoral, but you consider moral?

And yes, this going into my interpol database.

 

[Dark Edea]

Most of it is based upon Judeo-Christian values even though I wear a fedora. Something to be said for a few thousand years of lessons learned. Moderation is also important. And the old Russian maxim of "trust but verify."

 

[Pruto]

It comes from mass media and consumerism obviously.

At least it doesn't come from a backwards, deformed and shitty middle eastern cult like Judeo-Christianity or Islam tho.

 

[The Lawgiver]

My moral worldview absolutely had fuckall to do with what media I was fed or religious stuff I was told by people. I occasionally think about this but despite me being a fucking wild ass sometimes goblinoid of a child I had a fucking clear understanding of good and evil as well as the ability to talk and play video games competently before actually being able to properly read. It spiraled off into some warped stuff back then but as I got older I could explain shit better and not be held back by weird fucking delusions. When I was a kid I believed all sorts of weird fucking shit. Examples being people with big lower lips being some weird alien conspiracy group, or makeup being some form of NWO brainwashing chemical shit that made people act hyper-sexual. Nowadays I can sum up to reason it was less the physical features or what the person wore rather than the people I ran into with those features just so happenstance being utterly fucking shitty people with no grand conspiracy attached.

My shitty autismo brain cannot concieve how the fuck people view morality as a thing that does not exist without being told to be so by a higher power. Higher powers usually exist to reinforce morality, rather than create it. When they end up trying to create it you end up with shit like the current year sectoid lizardman ass shit that either completely turns people off from the concept of life itself or indocrinates them into becoming a hateful, bitter person that uses "morality" as a bludgeon to beat down those they deem impure by the ruling class' standards. It's kinda ironic how morality can be used to do immoral things in cases like that.

I just realized I didn't go too deep into HOW I understood good and evil from an early age. It's more or less something that just came to me, possibly before I even had the words to describe it embedded in my brain. Someone wants to harm something or somebody for their own amusement? Disgusting, evil. I was what parents call "a biter" due to me quickly learning the best method of fighting back against the kids beating the shit out of you in preschool is to just bite them. That's mildly power-levelly but I'm pretty sure anyone else in that kinda situation had the same outcome back then. Got in trouble for that shit, punished too The evil little bastards that beat my ass in for no reason though? got off scot free, kept doing the same shit. I'm betting the kinda kids that were like that at a young age mostly grew up to be the worst of current year politics types we see these days, no way someone can outright lie and sensationalize shit without that very specific level of genuine primal evil in them. This evil, is of course not meant to be confused with cartoonish forms of evil like ranting about how you're going to take over the world and become the next overlord or whatever. Evil is a multifaceted thing with very VERY different kinds at play but we only seem to have broad words to describe things viewed as morally irregular or bad.

I could go on for actual AGES rambling about the concepts of Good and evil but I'd rather not make this mound of text any larger lmao

 

[Fek]

Spoiler: I'll humor you

1. What is the most virtuous endeavor a person can do?

Transcendence. Becoming more than you are in spite of every worldly entity/force working against you every single step of the way.

If you have your priorities in order (your family, your community, your people/nation), then the above will see you and yours prosper.

2. What is the opposite, the most sinful?

Degeneracy. To live in a fashion that seeks out worldly pleasure and vapid fleeting personal gratification over all else.

3. What' the frequency where you examine the morality of your actions?

As often as the situation calls for it. I have a strong conscience, so take that as you will.

4.a Did you form your own opinion on morality or did it derive from an authority? 4.b Which authority?

I think I was innately wired for the morality which was pressed upon me through my youth. It was always present, but was trained and honed via Christianity.

5. If you did form your own opinion, what was the most defining moment in that development?

I went through a fedora-tipping phase where I formed my own opinions on morality. This actually lead me to the realization of the previously mentioned.

6a. Is there anyone you trust to have a better moral view than yourself? 6b. Why (not)?

Not in all ways, no. We all have blind spots.

7a. Do you think other people should follow your moral view? 7b. Do you remove people from your life that don't?

Yes, though I only remove people who are beyond saving.

8. Do you have any experience where you were surprised for your own sense of justice or morality?

None come to mind.

9. What popular activity do you consider immoral?

Literally modernity. All things that take focus away from aspiring to become a better person/community/people are, like it or not, on some level immoral. You don't have to be perfect in order to see that..I am posting on KF, for fuck's sake.

10. What is popularly considered immoral, but you consider moral?

In-group preference.

And yes, this going into my interpol database.

Glad I could help.

Judeo-Christian

Unless you're a convert, this is a misnomer and you should feel bad for equating these two faiths as though their morals are even in the same fucking ballpark as one another. The former hates the latter, you know.

 

[Dark Edea]

Spoiler: I'll humor you

Transcendence. Becoming more than you are in spite of every worldly entity/force working against you every single step of the way.

If you have your priorities in order (your family, your community, your people/nation), then the above will see you and yours prosper.

Degeneracy. To live in a fashion that seeks out worldly pleasure and vapid fleeting personal gratification over all else.

As often as the situation calls for it. I have a strong conscience, so take that as you will.

I think I was innately wired for the morality which was pressed upon me through my youth. It was always present, but was trained and honed via Christianity.

I went through a fedora-tipping phase where I formed my own opinions on morality. This actually lead me to the realization of the previously mentioned.

Not in all ways, no. We all have blind spots.

Yes, though I only remove people who are beyond saving.

None come to mind.

Literally modernity. All things that take focus away from aspiring to become a better person/community/people are, like it or not, on some level immoral. You don't have to be perfect in order to see that..I am posting on KF, for fuck's sake.

In-group preference.

Glad I could help.

Unless you're a convert, this is a misnomer and you should feel bad for equating these two faiths as though their morals are even in the same fucking ballpark as one another. The former hates the latter, you know.

Nope. The contradiction is the entire point. Any inherent paradox or conflict that leads to a greater truth is a perfect analogue for the human experience.

 

[Fek]

Nope. The contradiction is the entire point. Any inherent paradox or conflict that leads to a greater truth is a perfect analogue for the human experience.

I miss my sticker.

 

[Lame Entropy]

My morality is determined mostly through self-interest. Do I want something done to me? No? Then I won't do it to other people. I'm sure you can poke holes in this but on a general level it works for me.
Also, I like Kant's first formulation of the universal law.

 

[Cheerlead-in-Chief]

I think from my experience, a religious background until seeing obviously people in church acting like hypocrites or acting from their own self-interests due to smoking their own farts that since "grandfather's the pastor therefore the church building is an extension of our homes and we rule and dictate it how we see fit"....I gradually became disillusioned in organized religion, but can't say it out loud for being threatened back into a mental hospital because "THIS IS A CHRISTIAN HOUSEHOLD".

 

[L50LasPak]

I've faced a Centipede's Dilemma on morality for the last half of my life and find that my grip on it is increasingly weak. Infact I'm no longer sure if there really is such a thing as morality or if its just a pretense. At the moment my morality is based entirely on my own personal biases, which I think most people base theirs on whether they know it or not.

 

[Lemmingwise]

At the moment my morality is based entirely on my own personal biases, which I think most people base theirs on whether they know it or not

I think this is inevitable to a degree, but since biases we are unaware of are poor subject for talking about, I tried to frame the questions into focusing on what parts we are aware off.

I'll also abbreviate my own:
I saw supreme evil. If supreme evil exists why not supreme good?

This overturned many of my previous moral thoughts and beliefs.

I stopped giving people benefit of the doubt for their lack of knowledge and realised it was tolerance of evil.

The most virtuous thing is taking responsibility for justice, charity and guidance. The most sinful is to explicitly do and follow that which one knows to harm others or the self.

 

[WeWuzFinns]

The highest moral code is to do what you think you can get away with. Dumb people can't think far ahead so they take unnecessary risks. Stupid people rob banks and smart ones run them. Both from my perspective are criminal, but other one is considerably lower risk unfortunately.

Everything else is slave morality. While safe if you can't think far ahead, those who follow slave morality will generally end up with less resources than those who don't.

Morality/social behavior evolved because reproduction would be extremely energy inefficient, if the animal kills all of its offspring. This familial care varies from animals to animal and some animals even take care of those genetically dissimilar to them (e.g. birds who got cucked and humans).

 

[L50LasPak]

I think this is inevitable to a degree, but since biases we are unaware of are poor subject for talking about, I tried to frame the questions into focusing on what parts we are aware off.

I suppose I agree with this as a general point but I do want to make the point that I am aware of many of my biases and deliberately leave a lot of them in place. Partially because some of them are useful (my intense hatred for advertising) and partly because I don't want something worse to take their place. Though I'm aware not everyone thinks this way.

 

[Dark Edea]

@L50LasPak is a bad source for studying world views because @L50LasPak hates all of the creatures of the sea and is on a crusade to murder each and every one of them in their beds.

 

[Pompeii Shitposter]

Does it make my peepee hard?
Yes? Then it's good.
No? Then it's bad.

 

[Smolrolls]

Does it make my peepee hard?
Yes? Then it's good.
No? Then it's bad.

Does it make it clean?

 

[Fek]

Spoiler: Off-topic replies

I saw supreme evil.

my intense hatred for advertising

The (former) old lady would get a kick out of the lengths I would go in order to not have my mind poisoned by ads. Fuck the deliberate psy-op that is advertising.

I think from my experience, a religious background until seeing obviously people in church acting like hypocrites or acting from their own self-interests due to smoking their own farts that since "grandfather's the pastor therefore the church building is an extension of our homes and we rule and dictate it how we see fit"....I gradually became disillusioned in organized religion, but can't say it out loud for being threatened back into a mental hospital because "THIS IS A CHRISTIAN HOUSEHOLD".

That's what drove me towards fedora-tipping for a time, personally..that sort of self-righteous crap. In time, I came to realize that in spite of the corrupted members of the congregation's best efforts to drive me away from the faith? All they truly had done was set me on a path to test it on a level I never would have were they not present in my life. Eventually, I came to realize that even though they may have turned me off to the church? Christ still walked alongside me, so to speak. I hadn't shunned Christianity from my life; I had merely rejected the path of sin presented in the church's sycophantic fart-huffers. Without even realizing it, I was walking the path of understanding..of a higher calling, if you will.

I hope that you may find yourself in similar circumstances as you journey through life. I firmly believe that there is always good reason for the paths presented to us.

 

[Cheerlead-in-Chief]

Spoiler: Off-topic replies

The (former) old lady would get a kick out of the lengths I would go in order to not have my mind poisoned by ads. Fuck the deliberate psy-op that is advertising.

That's what drove me towards fedora-tipping for a time, personally..that sort of self-righteous crap. In time, I came to realize that in spite of the corrupted members of the congregation's best efforts to drive me away from the faith? All they truly had done was set me on a path to test it on a level I never would have were they not present in my life. Eventually, I came to realize that even though they may have turned me off to the church? Christ still walked alongside me, so to speak. I hadn't shunned Christianity from my life; I had merely rejected the path of sin presented in the church's sycophantic fart-huffers. Without even realizing it, I was walking the path of understanding..of a higher calling, if you will.

I hope that you may find yourself in similar circumstances as you journey through life. I firmly believe that there is always good reason for the paths presented to us throughout our lives.

Thank you, that is encouraging.

It's pretty sad that the pastor, for years kept sermons on abstinence and girls slapping offensive guys "because my pastor told me so" while his granddaughters and a step-granddaughter had babies out of wedlock and he brought the step-granddaughter onto the stage mid-sermon just to squash rumors of her as an instance.

I know fundamentally (most) people are good.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Thank you, that is encouraging.

It's pretty sad that the pastor, for years kept sermons on abstinence and girls slapping offensive guys "because my pastor told me so" while his granddaughters and a step-granddaughter had babies out of wedlock and he brought the step-granddaughter onto the stage mid-sermon just to squash rumors of her as an instance.

I know fundamentally (most) people are good.

How the fuck did not half the men take their families and walk away at that point?

 

[Cheerlead-in-Chief]

How the fuck did not half the men take their families and walk away at that point?

I don't know honestly. The pastor's family history is long and messy including a granddaughter with presumed Native American heritage, blended families and divorce and petty drama between baby mommas and drug use.
The population of the church is a combo of married/widowed elderly, married Boomers, my generation and the kids.
One time a lady that sang in choir was dating one man and dropped another white guy. The dumped guy sits across from her in the pews. I didn't notice it but the men of the church were tensing up in preparation for a fight that never happened lol.