How do you explain Gun Control Politics to Foreigners

[Moja Zemlja]

When he visits you break into wherever he's staying and threathen him, then reveal it was you all along and say "I bet you wish you had a gun huh?"

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

You don't explain to foreigners, foreigners are scum and shut up or GTFO.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

I have an Indian classmate, this is his first time in America. He seemed really interested when I told him I liked to go shooting for fun and offered to take him to the range sometime. He then asked if the gun I owned was full auto.

It's a silly little story, but it made me realize that foreigners really don't understand US gun culture or politics. They think America is like GTA, where you can walk into GunsRUs and buy a full auto AK and 180 rounds of ammo for $500 and walk out within the minute. I can't pretend to have the answer, but IMO exposure is the best solution. Take him shooting, show him gun safety, maybe even take him with you when you go to purchase a firearm.

Makes me wonder what foreigners, Euros in particular, are told about the US in their news media. Because when Euros try to put down Burgers, they almost always default to "MASS SHOOTING EPIDEMIC" talking points probably because that's how their country's media portrays the US.

There's that /pol/ meme of an American saying "Let me tell you about your country" to a European, but the reality is that the truth is the exact opposite of that; the mentality of "Let me tell you about your country" better explains how Euros act towards Americans.

 

[Jewthulhu]

Makes me wonder what foreigners, Euros in particular, are told about the US in their news media. Because when Euros try to put down Burgers, they almost always default to "MASS SHOOTING EPIDEMIC" talking points probably because that's how their country's media portrays the US.

To be fair, that's how it's portrayed in the US media. There's a concerning number of Americans who support "stricter gun control" as well. It's not just foreigners who need to be shown that guns aren't the problem.

 

[DamnWolves!]

So I have a Friend in India who went to School in America (I helped get him into the school Ironically)

Like, you got him into the school ironically? Like some sort of post-modernist human performance piece? Big if true...

Who cares what he thinks about guns; he can't vote anyway. Tell him to go be a Leaf if he wants to be a Leaf, where only the criminals have guns. Ask him, specifically, what measures he would like to see taken. Evaluate whether it's likely this will reduce gun crime, given that it's already illegal for a felon to own a gun. Ask if he's seen the number of niggers roaming the streets lately and whether he's sure he wants only them to be able to own a gun. Lastly, remind him that his opinion is invalid, as a member of a society that has yet to master indoor plumbing.

 

[Pitbull Victim]

A lot of really good points have already been made in this thread but something that also is worth mentioning is what an absolutely retarded job the Feds do when they are given leeway to ban guns.

 

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

I don't try to explain my cultural values to foreigners because I honestly don't care how they view mine. I imagine the feeling is mutual.

 

[Merried Senior Comic]

Who cares what a foreigner thinks?

 

[Claude Sigma]

That's how I usually explain the gun situation in the US, strangely the conversation often goes silent or shifts to me being a bad person for some reason.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Makes me wonder what foreigners, Euros in particular, are told about the US in their news media. Because when Euros try to put down Burgers, they almost always default to "MASS SHOOTING EPIDEMIC" talking points probably because that's how their country's media portrays the US.

There's that /pol/ meme of an American saying "Let me tell you about your country" to a European, but the reality is that the truth is the exact opposite of that; the mentality of "Let me tell you about your country" better explains how Euros act towards Americans.

At least in Finland depends your own activity level. Most finns don't care about US that much but US culture is everywhere do giant corporations and international entertainment. They basically get their idea unconsciously from tv shows and occasionally popping up big news. So more leftist, metropolitan, president and big tragedies centered picture of life in America. USA as a backwards land of giant douches and guns is a thing but otherhand it's also the dream. We really love when our tiny unimportant country gets any attention from US because Hollywood and that crap is still kinda cooler and bigger than local stuff.

That's sort of the mainstream picture that was the thing for long time but nowdays most people have hobbies they seek info online. English is very common language we look info in and US has the biggest native speakers, so most Finns end up bring exposed to normal everyday Americans troughs social media, internet shops and tutorials. That has changed the picture, many people have better idea that US isn't just New York or Texas outback as portrayed by leftist tv people.

 

[Yezidi Fan Club]

The most vocal proponents of disarmament are people whose personalities are so toxic and vomit-inducing that they sense on some instinctive level that if their rivals possessed a weapon that they would soon be dispensed with or people who don't value their own lives to the point where they would defend it if it were threatened.. or people like myself who realize that access to weapons potentially may entice oneself to go looking for trouble where none need exist.

Honestly every legitimate gun owner has been someone I looked up to; all of them are unanimous in stating that a mentally ill clown should not own a weapon.

If you can't respect the power of the written word, your own tongue, or your own hands then there is no way you will have the proper respect for a firearm.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

LMAO why would I talk to foreigners, especially with a topic they know nothing about? That's silly, OP. You're being silly.

 

[Frostnipped Todger]

@Overly Serious
Don't know why, but I can't quote...

Guns were banned in Australia.

Not exactly true, I own several, but they are restricted. I don't agree with the restrictions that we have, but at least we're better than the UK.
The example I always use when someone brings up gun control (as a good thing) is to ask "How many gun shops are there in Mexico?". Nobody disputes that Mexican gun violence is off the chain, but very few people know that there is 1 (one) gun shop in Mexico, which is run by the military. You couldn't ask for a better example of the failure of gun control than that.

 

[Stoneheart]

Op is retarded,,,

Indian guy, you should be allowed to own a gun incase the brits are coming back....

 

[draggs]

You stick a gun in their face and ask them don't they wish had a gun right about now

 

[LaxerBRO]

A little more information on his beliefs regarding gun control would be helpful.

American gun ownership is broken into two different positions; defense against tyranny and self defense.

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Let's address the most misunderstood position first, defense against tyranny.

Now, when this is mentioned the first thought many foreigners and many Americans think of is a bunch of rag tag guys with rifles fighting against the US military. While this type of battle is part of resisting tyranny, the truth is that resistance against tyranny does not need to be in such Goliath proportions. As this is a shitpost, I won't go into a deep historical analysis but lets just start with a few examples:

Battle of Athens (Tennessee):

The Battle of Athens (sometimes called the McMinn County War) was a rebellion led by citizens in Athens and Etowah, Tennessee, United States, against the local government in August 1946. The citizens, including some World War II veterans, accused the local officials of predatory policing, police brutality, political corruption, and voter intimidation.

Bundy Standoff

The 2014 Bundy standoff was an armed confrontation between supporters of cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and law enforcement following a 21-year legal dispute in which the United States Bureau of Land Management (BLM) obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over $1 million in withheld grazing fees for Bundy's use of federally owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in southeastern Nevada.

BLM Protests / Riots*

Many claims were many that the police abused BLM protestors, with much of such claimed abuse happening in cities with strict gun control. Now, their were one group of BLM protestors the police did not use excessive force with. That's right armed protestors. It turns out cops don't want like engaging in gun battles.

*In case your friend is a progressive.

Now, your friend is going to come back and say that democracy and the rest of the developed world has freedom and does not experience tyranny. Tell them to Shut the Fuck up, see below:

Police arresting people in their own homes for not following Britbong Quarantine rules.

BritBong Blacks harassed by police during COVID.

Pregnant Australian Woman Arrested for trying to organzing an anti-COVID protest. This is not even addressing the Howard Springs Quarantine Camps for Australians that live with others or arrive from other countries

French Police beating reporters during Yellow Vest protests.

Just because its not some The Handmaiden Tale or Star Wars level of evil does not mean what was experience was not tyranny.

Spoiler: Story Time!

I work in law enforcement in Idaho and most of the officers said that they are not going to risk getting shot to enforce lockdowns or mask laws

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But lets say that we are faced with the examples progressives love to cite about a high tech military against a rag tag bunch of civilians with rifles. It's usually something about how your AR-15 will fair against an Abrams tank, drone, fighter jet, or special ops team. The idea is that a militia would stand in an open field and let themselves be bombed to death, but all this does is expose how little these progressives know about not only the military but how industry works. While it might be hyperbole, it is said that they don't know where food or electricity comes from and I feel that above cartoon is illustrative.


The illustration above is the shitty plan I came up with while I was taking a shit. One of the depictions is a satellite gateway station that receives the information from armed drones (UCAV) that is relayed via a satellite transmitted to ground station which is then routed by fiberoptic cable to the drone operators on a military base. One does not need to be a retard and try to shoot a drone out from the sky, when the gateway station can be raided, its staff disposed of, and the equipment destroy. The last two illustrations are of the Boeing Apache factory. I have noted two soft targets: the power substation to that plant and the staff parking lot. Both these are not guarded and even if they assign guards they security could be suppressed by a rag tag militia armed with rifles. If the factory that makes avionics for that fancy helicopter has no power and its employee are "absent" then how will you make the needed replacement parts? Hell, one does not even need to target human beings as certain HVAC system are needed for the clean room and sensitive equipment.

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Now let's address the self defense aspect.

In some gun control articles you will find that the activists admit that the US crime rate and the developed nation crime rate is not that different except for homicide. Sure, they have classification problems but lets just the data at face value. We see that our crime rate is never the highest (excluding homicide) with it being in the upper tier for a couple crimes and middle of the pack for the rest. Thus, even in countries with strict gun control there is still a higher level of crimes against persons. The Eurofags might think they are safer but they are not.

It is my position that most Europeans are at the same, or in some cases higher, risk for crimes against persons* but are at a significant disadvantage as they cannot defend themselves with a firearm.

*excluding homicide.


Crime against a "person" in supposedly safer Europe

Now, what about homicide?

As Americans, we tend to be individualists instead of collectivists. The above video clip posits that gun control is a violation of the human right to self defense and makes the state party to criminal violence. Additionally, have talked with unarmed police "officers" from the UK and they were shocked that pepper spray was able to be bought at a 7-11, gas stations, big box stores, etc. A concern they shared was about pepper spray armed criminals using it upon the populace. I then explained that one could just carry any number of caustic chemicals in a coffee mug and that could be used by criminals against innocence's. The constable admitted that was true but they still thought the public did not need to be armed as the police was there. The whole mindset is collectivist, that the people living there are subjects to be looked after instead of free people.

 

[Mnutu]

A lot of really good points have already been made in this thread but something that also is worth mentioning is what an absolutely retarded job the Feds do when they are given leeway to ban guns.




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So you mean to tell me that I could purchase a Ruger Mini-14 and attach either a bayonet or a grenade launcher and legally not be an assault weapon?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I'm going to piss off Americans here by saying the whole "fighting off tyranny" angle is a meme. Besides the fact that if it was worth a shit then the half of the USA that believed the 2020 elections were stolen would have done something about it rather than post on Facebook, freedom to carry arms means nothing without freedom of speech, freedom of privacy and freedom of movement. Any ideas to organise a revolt will fail when just about every means of communication will actively report you.

The self defence angle is slightly better but it's a double edged sword, you can protect yourself from harm but you are also far more exposed to being shot at, and every time you meet a policeman the situation can exponentially worsen if he thinks you are a threat. Yeah it's fun to joke at "if guns are illegal, only criminals will have guns" but making gun access easier will mean criminals are more likely to carry a gun rather than a knife. So you are more protected but social trust suffers greatly.

 

[LaxerBRO]

The self defence angle is slightly better but it's a double edged sword, you can protect yourself from harm but you are also far more exposed to being shot at, and every time you meet a policeman the situation can exponentially worsen if he thinks you are a threat. Yeah it's fun to joke at "if guns are illegal, only criminals will have guns" but making gun access easier will mean criminals are more likely to carry a gun rather than a knife. So you are more protected but social trust suffers greatly.

The problem is that in countries with gun control counties one cannot have a tool for self defense.

As such, one will need to learn effective hand to hand combat however that is banned too. Such, you are stuck with a martial arts aerobics class.

 

[Overly Serious]

@Overly Serious
Don't know why, but I can't quote...

Not exactly true, I own several, but they are restricted. I don't agree with the restrictions that we have, but at least we're better than the UK.
The example I always use when someone brings up gun control (as a good thing) is to ask "How many gun shops are there in Mexico?". Nobody disputes that Mexican gun violence is off the chain, but very few people know that there is 1 (one) gun shop in Mexico, which is run by the military. You couldn't ask for a better example of the failure of gun control than that.

I did simplify a little as it wasn't central to my point, that's fair. But there was a massive clamp down on gun ownership and the types of guns in Australia. And gun homicide dropped as a result. But overall homicde dropped by much less. My main argument was that this shows the truth of the old statement "guns don't kill people. People kill people" and refute the idea that banning guns removes gun violence.