How do you think the different Christian denominations compare to each other?

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During some of the discussions going on it seemed like different people were having wildly different opinions of Christianity based on what denominations they're familiar with, and some people seem to not recognize that some of the more obscure and insane denominations don't represent them all. Is that the impression other people have been getting? I'd figure we'd split this discussion off from the other threads as they seem to be drifting from the topic.
 
Those more familiar with theology tend to at least understand that other Christian denominations differ from their own, even if they can't explain why. I'm not especially well-versed in the theology of, say, Eastern Orthodoxy, but I know enough to understand that it's distinct from Roman Catholicism on certain points. For instance, it posits that the Virgin Mary wasn't born with a perfect nature (akin to that of Christ), but she did live a perfect, sinless life. And Catholics, of course, take this to the extreme and almost seem to deify her as much as the Son of God. These are points of belief that don't necessarily disqualify one from being Christian, I think. Even if I don't consider Mary herself to have been perfect or sinless.

Certain Protestant denominations can be said to be outright heretical, though. The Jehovah's Witnesses are one example. They believe Christ to be a manifestation of God's divinity, rather than God Himself. The idea is related to that of the heresy of the Galatians (I believe, though don't quote me on that), where God's divine essence was thought by them to develop into other, smaller divinities like Christ. Like sparks from a flame, I suppose.

Another, more popular example are Mormons, of course. Not only for their past endorsement of polygamy, but also their still-current beliefs in a Divine Mother (i.e., the wife of God, said to have had a vague hand in Creation, but little else besides), as well as Satan being the spiritual brother of Christ (rather than a lesser angelic creation).
 
Most Christian denominations tend to argue over pedantic minutia. Such as the Catholics believing in Transubstantiation, the Eucharist wine is turned LITERALLY into Christ's blood, while (most) Protestants believe the Eucharist sacrament is symbolic rather then literal.

For outsiders looking in, it's better to think of Christian Church's as Ecumenical vs. Non-Ecumenical (heretic).

An Ecumenical church is one that adheres to the Council of Nicaea. Something the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Majesterial Protestant church's do. You gotta believe Jesus is God, you have to accept the Trinitarian nature of God, you have to believe Jesus died and returned from the dead. You have to believe in the resurrection of all mankind, the forgiveness of sins, and the life of the world hereafter.

Churches that go off the reservation are, for example, Jehovas Witnesses, who don't adhere to the council of Nicaea and instead reject the forgiveness of sins in favor of a belief in predestined elect. All their evangelizing is done in the context of looking for the already saved rather then going out to save the sinner. (Among other huge doctrinal issues)

A good way of knowing you are in a heretic church is if it doesn't do recitation of the Creed of Nicaea and instead something else.
 

Redeemed Zoomer easily explains all the denominations of christianity that are not heretical.

I Prefer the high church High liturgical denominations since im presbyterian so im biased lol ( think smells and bells) rather then low church experience, since I expect the creeds to be recited and if a church won't do that i'm kinda sus on them. No one Christian should have a problem with the nicaean and/ or the apostles creed .

High church denoms are Roman Catholic/ EO's, Anglican, most calvinist like presbyterians are high church (but not all calvinist) as-well as Lutherans and a good chunk of methodist . (often the methodist church with bishops are high church).

Low church is more of just hymns an a sermon and maybe weekly communion if your lucky. Low Church denoms are Baptist, pentecostal, revivalist. and almost every contemporary/ non denomination.

Hope this all helps.

Most Christian denominations tend to argue over pedantic minutia. Such as the Catholics believing in Transubstantiation, the Eucharist wine is turned LITERALLY into Christ's blood, while (most) Protestants believe the Eucharist sacrament is symbolic rather then literal.

For outsiders looking in, it's better to think of Christian Church's as Ecumenical vs. Non-Ecumenical (heretic).

An Ecumenical church is one that adheres to the Council of Nicaea. Something the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Majesterial Protestant church's do. You gotta believe Jesus is God, you have to accept the Trinitarian nature of God, you have to believe Jesus died and returned from the dead. You have to believe in the resurrection of all mankind, the forgiveness of sins, and the life of the world hereafter.

Churches that go off the reservation are, for example, Jehovas Witnesses, who don't adhere to the council of Nicaea and instead reject the forgiveness of sins in favor of a belief in predestined elect. All their evangelizing is done in the context of looking for the already saved rather then going out to save the sinner. (Among other huge doctrinal issues)

A good way of knowing you are in a heretic church is if it doesn't do recitation of the Creed of Nicaea and instead something else.
Lutherans/ most anglicans also believe in the literal body and blood in the Eucharist as well.
 
Lutherans/ most anglicans also believe in the literal body and blood in the Eucharist as well.
True, but there is so many flavor of Protestant that most don't. I would say non denominational churches are suspect, but the modern Anglican Church (as a glaring example) has become increasingly heretical.

Fortunately there has been a huge push back on that front. Most Anglican bishoprics not in the UK and US has revolted and in the US itself there has been a complete schism. It even reached the halls of power in Oxford, so there may be hope there.

 
The Amish are a cult that get good PR because they keep to themselves, and because people who don't have to live near them romanticize their work ethic and simple lifestyle. In reality, they're an insular fundie cult who have the same attitudes toward gays and women as the Muslims, and they're perfectly happy to use "sinful" technology where it improves their profit margin. Most of them are alcoholics, and you would be, too, if you had to live in a cult in which shirt buttons were considered an extravagence.

The Anglican Church is a sham religion that only exists because a fat, inbred retard named King Henry VIII couldn't get a woman pregnant to save his life. The pope eventually got sick of his shit and told him to knock it off with the divorces and beheadings, but King Retard wouldn't hear it. King Retard said, "Fuck you, Dad! When I have my own house, I'll make my own rules, and I'll eat ice cream for dinner, and I won't have a bedtime!" So he formed his own sham religion that, by what is probably sheer coincidence, believed god would allow him to divorce as many women as necessary to squirt out a male heir. The English were now of a different religion than their Catholic Irish neighbors, which was a convenient justification for a forever war against them. English-Irish relations had been relatively stable until King Retard and his made-up bullshit called Anglicanism came along.

Mormonism is a sham religion that only exists because an Indonesian volcano erupted. In 1815, Mount Tambora erupted in Indonesia. The resulting ash cloud brought about global disasters, failed harvests, mass starvation, and a year without a summer. Refugees fled from flooding and famine in American New England, among them the family of one Joseph Smith. The Smith family settled in a hotbed of religious fervor brought on by the near-apocalyptic conditions caused by the volcano. Partly due to this religious influence, and partly because he was a con man, Smith claimed an angel named Moroni directed him to some golden tablets that conveniently only he ever saw, which explained a One True Religion that conveniently aligned with his own beliefs. They believe god is a space alien who thinks it's really cool for a guy to do a woman and her sister at the same time. Everyone around him got sick of his shit, so they chased him and his followers to the Utah desert, where they unfortunately didn't die off. The Mormons are an insular cult who practice polygamy and incest yet believe caffeine is sinful. They used a honeybee as the symbol of their Mormon country called Deseret, because they admired the bee's work ethic. Utah has recently added a honeybee nest to its flag, and none of the usual SJW types seem to have a problem with the addition of cult's religious iconography to a US state flag.
 
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Mormons have a pretty good level of resiliency though. They take prepping very seriously and every one I know has their basement full of preserved food so they're safe if a disaster strikes.

The Hutterites are scary. They're secular, but very, very organized. Each community is effectively a family-run company town, where everyone works towards the same goal. A couple years ago the Hutterites bought an entire village to convert into a colony as it was cheaper then setting up the infrastructure for one from scratch. If we start sending people into space, colony ships with Hutterites would be among the most stable.
 
I don't know precisely, but in my experience it's always been some small differences in opinions. Some churches want to be more strict to the teachings others liberal. I remember when my southern Baptist congregation was looking for a new preacher we had a guy come in and preach. He decided to die on the hill that animals didn't have souls because humans are the master race and God loves us more. We sent him packing because fuck that shit. If Heaven is real I'm taking my cat.
 
The Anglican Church is a sham religion that only exists because a fat, inbred retard named King Henry VIII couldn't get a woman pregnant to save his life.
Funny thing is his only son was 9 years old when Henry died. And "ruled" until his dead that came when he was 15 years old.
 
The story of Christianity begins in ancient Israel where a bunch of Jews were pissed about the Romans occupying their sad Jew asses. They had a prophecy about a messiah coming to make Israel great again and about once a week a self-professed messiah would appear. Eventually one of them showed up and he got crucified (I do 100% believe that Jesus was a historical figure). His sect probably would have died off, but he happened to have a somewhat broader and much less political appeal (less Jewish nationalism, more general ethics) and offered a version of Judaism that focused on the spirit of the religion over the inane rules (Pharisees). Combine that with the Romans predilection for plundering their conquered cultures for new gods and the role of Paul as a Roman promoter (taking out some of the harshest rules, too, like cutting part of your dick off) and it was poised to boom across the Roman world, losing its status as an ethnoreligion.

Eventually some brutal thug, Constantine, decides to adopt Christianity as his religion of the week because he needed a propaganda coup with the large Christian minority and saw an opportunity to grift, all while also pimping sun worship. Constantine (a man so vile he killed his own mother) wrangles together a bunch of priests, who were all feuding at the time, and tells them that he'll basically give them a state monopoly on religion if they sort their shit out. In that moment, the religion was subverted. Thus the Church is born in its first real incarnation, not as part of a voluntary organization spread out among the poor and dispossessed of society but as a tool for state oppression. The Church then has a bunch of autistic shitfits over different nonsense your average Christian (of any sect) would never even think of, and every time they do some bunch gets kicked out (Arians, Copts, Nestorians, etc.) to go make a new church.

Later down the line, the Bishop of Rome, just one of five of the big state church dictators, gets uppity and wants to become capo di tutti capo over the others, and they tell him to rightly fuck off, and so Catholicism is born from Eastern Orthodoxy. Catholicism then goes on to invent purgatory, confessionals, penance where the PRIEST decides what your afterlife punishment is and how to make it right (!!!!) and some other noxious doctrines designed to extort blackmail and ransom. Eventually this shit gets so awful that the more conscientious priests start to rebel against it. They try all through the Middle Ages, but when printing comes along, that's when they're able to spread the message fast enough that they can't kill it in the cradle.

Your big Protestant groups at that point are Anglicans, Lutherans, Calvinists, and Anabaptists. The Anglicans are just Catholics, it's a purely political split like Sunni vs Shiite and the religion is a joke religion that shouldn't exist. The Lutherans have the reasonable goal of fixing the worst abuses in the church and kicking Globohomo: Sword and Shield Version back to Rome. The Calvinists have the based goal of burning it all down to the ground and going back to basics, but they're also huge Bible thumpers and are really mean and ban everything fun. The Anabaptists (Quakers, Amish, Mennonites, etc.) are chill hippies that want to live in peace and overturn the rotten world they live in to make a more humane society. Of these, I sympathize with the Calvinists and Anabaptists the most. The big irony is that for as popular as Tradcath faggotry is in the modern Far Right/Kiwi Farms, the Calvinists were the direct equivalent of that in their own day in terms of wanting to restore their degenerate society to some standards. Also like them, they went way too autistically far with it and became noxious in their own right.

Later on, these religions start to recombine in ways that make the descent more confusing, it's no longer a tree really. These new sects, which I will incorrectly and lazily group together as "Evangelicalism," emerge as a sort of second round of fundamentalism, but by that point we weren't killing each other over this shit so it didn't matter as much. These are the good churches. In time some of them got fagged up (usually they have "United" in the name somewhere), but most remain the most genuinely religious and socially conservative churches in the West. Eventually a branch of them, Pentecostals, emerged as a sort of Protestant mysticism and it spread like wildfire across the Third World, quickly stealing Catholicism's market share in places like Guatemala and Brazil.

Mormonism breaks off as a fourth Abrahamic religion, its story complicated to get into but it amounts to being an attempt by Second Great Awakening Yankees to create a religion of America and also bring back the magic of the ancient Hebrew/Muslim world. It's pretty badass and cool of a subject.

In terms of structure, you basically have big churches that claim a monopoly on absolute truth, and then little churches that don't. Big Church cucks tend to be extremely arrogant about their large churches, because they were raised in a large church and so that automatically makes that large church correctly (regardless of if there's any evidence for it, or however long the list of sordid misdeeds by past churchmen has been). Big Church also suits the European mentality of cringing slavish devotion to authority and tradition, but not the American mentality of individualism and democratic institutions, which is why you can see the quality of America decline in direct proportion to how many Catholics and Jews sit on the Supreme Court and how many Irish, Polacks, and guidos were allowed to come off the boat.

In terms of experience, you also get a difference between what I see as the following styles of worship:
Awe
Contemplation
Ectsasy

Awe churches would be your Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, etc. They are the ones that have complex liturgies, calendars chock full of stupid bullshit, fancy robes and magic sticks the priests carry around, elaborate churches that look like pagan temples. They sell themselves on authority and tradition and confuse splendor for virtue. I tend to find them way more arrogant than other denominations and they attract LARPers.

Contemplation churches emphasize dignity, quiet thought, reflection, meditation. These are the ones that have simple liturgies, hymns that are sung by congregation with maybe a piano for accompaniment. They usually have a sermon that is like a lesson. Your Calvinists fall into this category and many Evangelicals do, Anabaptists tend to as well. These churches are pretty boring, but they come across as the most sincere in their expression of faith.

Ecstasy churches may be mystical or not, but either way they focus on strong emotional experience and tend to be more geared towards expressions of joy. Pentecostals live on this, and so do a lot of Evangelical churches like many Southern Baptists. Instrumental music is common and the music tends to be triumphal, sermons have more oratory and their style of worship is much more spontaneous and improvisational, like a people actually stirred. It is the finest expression of the American spirit in religion I have seen.

Socially/politically, all denominations have wings that are fagged up and wings that are not. You've got modern Quakers and you've got modern Amish. You've got those German Catholics and then you've got African Catholics. You've got United Methodists and you've got Southern Baptists. Overall, the Bible Belt Evangelical types tend to be much more socially conservative, but their minds are also ate up with Israel worship, a uniquely Evangelical affliction.

In all, I like ecstasy churches and I respect contemplation churches. Awe churches deserve scorn.

Mormons have a pretty good level of resiliency though. They take prepping very seriously and every one I know has their basement full of preserved food so they're safe if a disaster strikes.

The Hutterites are scary. They're secular, but very, very organized. Each community is effectively a family-run company town, where everyone works towards the same goal. A couple years ago the Hutterites bought an entire village to convert into a colony as it was cheaper then setting up the infrastructure for one from scratch. If we start sending people into space, colony ships with Hutterites would be among the most stable.
The Hutterites are used as a standard for maximum human fertility. Only group to actually hit the very limit.
 
after digging deep into the history of christianity ive come to the conclusion that it was originally a two-tier hellenistic style mystery religion with a superficial jewish overlay. that is to say, the exoteric message intended for the lay person is orthodox christianity while the true, esoteric message is what the gnostics believed.

why bother having two messages? because the true esoteric message of christianity is too abstract for 99% of the population and basically useless for them. for all intents and purposes the message of orthodox christianity is more practical for people trying to live a moral and meaningful life even if it isnt "true". contrary to what modern critics say, the gnostics werent deliberately trying to be elitist, they were just realistic about how much abstraction the common person could handle.

a good example of this is KF where an elite sect of shitposters rationally discuss complicated topics at a high level compared to reddit, twitter or gasp...tiktok. in every sphere of life human society organically divides itself along lines of more capable and less capable, why should spirituality be any different? im not saying it SHOULD be this way, im just remarking that it organically IS this way.
 
In terms of experience, you also get a difference between what I see as the following styles of worship:
Awe
Contemplation
Ectsasy

Awe churches would be your Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, etc. They are the ones that have complex liturgies, calendars chock full of stupid bullshit, fancy robes and magic sticks the priests carry around, elaborate churches that look like pagan temples. They sell themselves on authority and tradition and confuse splendor for virtue. I tend to find them way more arrogant than other denominations and they attract LARPers.

Contemplation churches emphasize dignity, quiet thought, reflection, meditation. These are the ones that have simple liturgies, hymns that are sung by congregation with maybe a piano for accompaniment. They usually have a sermon that is like a lesson. Your Calvinists fall into this category and many Evangelicals do, Anabaptists tend to as well. These churches are pretty boring, but they come across as the most sincere in their expression of faith.

Ecstasy churches may be mystical or not, but either way they focus on strong emotional experience and tend to be more geared towards expressions of joy. Pentecostals live on this, and so do a lot of Evangelical churches like many Southern Baptists. Instrumental music is common and the music tends to be triumphal, sermons have more oratory and their style of worship is much more spontaneous and improvisational, like a people actually stirred. It is the finest expression of the American spirit in religion I have seen.
I still think about this and think that the Awe, Ecstacy, and Contemplation styles of worship are a good way to summarize the difference between the religions. I do think Mormonism belongs to the Contemplation style with their focus of understanding your family history and being able to speak about yourself.

after digging deep into the history of christianity ive come to the conclusion that it was originally a two-tier hellenistic style mystery religion with a superficial jewish overlay. that is to say, the exoteric message intended for the lay person is orthodox christianity while the true, esoteric message is what the gnostics believed.

why bother having two messages? because the true esoteric message of christianity is too abstract for 99% of the population and basically useless for them. for all intents and purposes the message of orthodox christianity is more practical for people trying to live a moral and meaningful life even if it isnt "true". contrary to what modern critics say, the gnostics werent deliberately trying to be elitist, they were just realistic about how much abstraction the common person could handle
In this world of extreme liberalism I do think I understand the reason for the two tier system. There will always be people who are different, like are gay or atustic. There will always be complex problems or problems that have edge cases that are difficult to explain to the masses. Just focusing on homosexuality, there will always be people that are much more interested in the same sex then the other one. Openly accepting them has paved the way for children becoming trannies and having their bits butchered, simply because most people just don't understand nuance. In some ways it's easier to just go "you cut that out or I kill you, yes you can join a monastery and live a quiet life out of the way with only other people of your gender to keep you company"
 
Most of the European branches are basically the same thing with small doctrinal differences that shouldn't really matter that much, especially to non-Christians.

Then you got the US ones like Mormons, Amish, and whatever nigger loud singing ones are that look totally different. This is likely as the US ones were under no oversight at all and could evolve in any way, shape or form the community wanted.

And yeah Anglican one is basically a religion to serve the King's Nuts. It is hilarious.
 
The Mormons are really into doing family background checks and will ask new converts to compile their family trees. I just realized that they're probably checking for Jews so they can keep them out of executive class heaven.
 
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@Betonhaus I didn't think to include them, but Mormons are definitely a Contemplation church descended from the same environment as Northern Calvinism and Anabaptism. The format of three parishioners giving an amateur lesson-style sermon and viewing the church as a meetinghouse is exactly like Anabaptism.
 
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