Orbiter How I entered the Amberland universe... the backstory

[olybinewski]

Receipts WERE produced. Read the damn thread.

I did read the thread. There is a possibility that a few post where missed, I'll check again.

The only receipts posted were proof of ID provided to a Mod. And a screen cap of a post Frazzle sent to her ex-husband?

There is no proof of the offending content Jerry supposedly posted. No proof of Norma's insurance coverage or lack there of. No txt exchange evidence of anything that transpired between Frazzle's daughter and Becky/The Thumb.

ETA: Frazzle's possible saltiness show be very closely examined. She's been given a free pass on all claims she wants to make against Jerry and Norma. She could well be taking delight in the attention she's getting and the misery she's causing. There is a very real redneck tradition of making peoples' lives a living hell after a break up.

Her screen caps seems to imply that Jerry has some reason to believe the divorce was caused by Frazzle's actions. Frazzle points out that Kentucky is a no fault state, implying that the laws favor her regardless.

I've got no dog in this fight other than proof before prosecution.

 

[Gene's Secret Cat]

So, like, is Norma actually married to Jerry? Or did they just have a wedding "ceremony" but not make it legal so she could continue to get that sweet sweet govt monies and not fuck with his or her's actual claim of income???

 

[Whatthefuck]

Well, we Kiwis can figure out if she is indeed married. Those records are public record. I'm not a smart enough Kiwi to access them, but there's no way it's not available somewhere. If they're married, she can get fucked because she is most certainly covered. If they had a white trash "wedding" meaning a "ceremony" and party then, no, she couldn't be covered. Either way, these folks are shady as fuck.

ETA: Ninja'd.

 

[StrawberryDouche]

@olybinewski Norma herself has admitted to having insurance, which was confirmed by Becky when she said "we don't know how much her insurance will cover" Spoiler: All insurance covers cancer treatments.

 

[Rabbit Bones]

That doesn't make sense, though. Norma has no underage dependents to leverage for welfare. Disability is not a lot of money and like I said earlier it's based on work credits so she would qualify (if eligible) whether she was married or not.

She's going to do a lot better being married to retired military than by filing for disability and remaining single.

SSDI (which is what you get when you have work credits) isn't affected by marriage. SSI, which she is probably trying to get if she doesn't have a current work history, takes into account your spouses support when coming up with how much you'll be given every month. If she's been scheming to latch onto Uncle Sams tit for a while, it would explain why they never actually got married.

I think the most you can get on SSI is like $750 a month... which admittedly isn't much. But if you live in Ditchfuck Kentucky, and your pussy boyfriend is already mostly supporting you with his pension and shitty part time job, that's probably a lot of money.

 

[SituationTypeThing]

Mid-range lurker, first time poster. Hi.

Admittedly ALRverse has been painfully slow. And the promise of a full season of Jerry Springer worthy dysfunction all at once is thrilling. But does our glorious dirt dumper have proof of anything outside of identity?

We are talking about an ex-wife with every reason to be salty and no reason what so ever to be unbiased. If we're painting all of rural Kentucky with the same scamming white trash brush, why is the former Mrs Jerry exempt? I've seen similar content rejected until receipts are produced.

She produced receipts, she also produced a good command of the English language, which is much more than we can say for anyone in the amber-beckiverse (that alone doesn't made a difference, she does have receipts). And she has no reason to be salty about norma for her own sake, she and Jerry were totally separated before norma came into the picture. She has complete right to be salty about the way norma and jerry treated her daughter. It's not a stretch to imagine, considering the way norma treated her own daughter.

And she really, really has no reason to make up petty shit about becky, and even if she wanted to, the randomness of becky hitting on her daughter is a weird thing to lie about. The timeline meshes, and may explain why becky was going so slowly with Amber. It's beyond fucked up that it wasn't ok for Jerry's daughter to be gay, unless she was gay for becky, and then they could all be a family.

Telling us Jerry's financial situation helped shed light on the fraudy manipulation of the GFM. Anyone who has that info and doesn't share it to possibly prevent people from being scammed just aids the manipulators and is a dick. She stuck her neck out to prevent that. Good for her!

ETA: Don't want to make an additional post, but unless Jerry is earning more than 3k, norma can qualify for medicaid on her own if she has an income lower than 270 a month. Idk about SSI, but there's no way she's not covered in some form or other with state insurance (and she probably has the disability anyway for COPD, fibromyalgia and diabetes and whatever else). She's on state aid in one form or another, the GfM benefiting jerry basically proves it. (and if she doesn't have public assistance, she plans to get it, KY has a 5 year look-back period. Idk if she's informed enough to know that, but she's probably keeping her accounts to near-zero for that possibility in the future if she doesn't have it now).

Edit x2 @olybinewski she didn't just prove her id, she showed her marriage and divorce documents. Being that she was also in the military and a military spouse, she knows what norma jean would be entitled to. Also, we don't know what else she showed the mod to vetted. For all we know she showed the texts too. That's her daughter's story and I don't think anyone but her daughter needs to make those available to us. Even if you subtracted the becky hitting on her daugher part of the story, all the other bit stands. IIRC she also showed texts about them keeping the working AC and not letting her in the house to get her stuff. But what we do have is a legit character witness for jerry and norma jean. Even court wouldn't ask for more. Also, when people come on here - or other forums - claiming to be an insider, when they're doing it specifically to pick a bone, they're usually nutcases. Frazzle was rational and well spoken, and maintained that ALL she wanted was for people to know about the manipulation on the GFM. Also keep in mind frazzle was here for months before this all started and was happy to keep her identity to herself till the GFM fraud. Obviously we don't know her IRL, but based on the way she's behaved, I think she's been a class act and I tend to believe her (inasmuch as I believe people online). Even if she was to blame for the divorce in Jerry's opinion, even if she was to blame in reality, how would that change anything?

 

[marjoram]

I did read the thread. There is a possibility that a few post where missed, I'll check again.

The only receipts posted were proof of ID provided to a Mod. And a screen cap of a post Frazzle sent to her ex-husband?

There is no proof of the offending content Jerry supposedly posted. No proof of Norma's insurance coverage or lack there of. No txt exchange evidence of anything that transpired between Frazzle's daughter and Becky/The Thumb.

ETA: Frazzle's possible saltiness show be very closely examined. She's been given a free pass on all claims she wants to make against Jerry and Norma. She could well be taking delight in the attention she's getting and the misery she's causing. There is a very real redneck tradition of making peoples' lives a living hell after a break up.

Her screen caps seems to imply that Jerry has some reason to believe the divorce was caused by Frazzle's actions. Frazzle points out that Kentucky is a no fault state, implying that the laws favor her regardless.

I've got no horse in this fight other than proof before prosecution.

Frazzle is entitled to retain some privacy. And it is smart that she does so. Also, the fact that she JUST lost someone to cancer and is attending their services--give the woman some time. We'd all love to see the texts between her daughter and the Thumb but that's her call to share them. Thumby's been a spiteful asshole in the past and I see no reason to disbelieve she's been a spiteful asshole A LOT.

 

[Nicotine Fetish]

I did read the thread. There is a possibility that a few post where missed, I'll check again.

The only receipts posted were proof of ID provided to a Mod. And a screen cap of a post Frazzle sent to her ex-husband?

There is no proof of the offending content Jerry supposedly posted. No proof of Norma's insurance coverage or lack there of. No txt exchange evidence of anything that transpired between Frazzle's daughter and Becky/The Thumb.

ETA: Frazzle's possible saltiness show be very closely examined. She's been given a free pass on all claims she wants to make against Jerry and Norma. She could well be taking delight in the attention she's getting and the misery she's causing. There is a very real redneck tradition of making peoples' lives a living hell after a break up.

Her screen caps seems to imply that Jerry has some reason to believe the divorce was caused by Frazzle's actions. Frazzle points out that Kentucky is a no fault state, implying that the laws favor her regardless.

I've got no dog in this fight other than proof before prosecution.

I can appreciate your skepticism, but burden of proof needn’t be that hard. Frazzle gave a reasonable testimony, with proof backing up her testimony, that is reasonable and believable. These narratives about Becky’s mother being a bad person already existed when Becky had said she was kicked out for being gay. We have further proof of Becky’s family with the “WE ARE GOING TO SUE YOU” drama. Frazzle really hasn’t painted a drastically different picture of their character. We had already been knew about Norma and Becky’s family being terrible. And speculation about the GFM was already being gossiped about before frazzle stepped into the scene - via Amber hold grudges and having family issues and that’s why she was refusing to be exploitative of the drama happening in her life. Or so that was the gossip at the time. (Actually, didn’t amber catch shit about filming and vlogging Becky’s family I think I remember her deleting a video and stuff like that). Then frazzle came and cleared up a lot of the stuff we had already been suspecting. Of course I agree with you that we should always be skeptical. But given the proof of identity, already known personalities of these people - frazzle didn’t “enlighten” us to who these people are as much as she just confirmed what we already knew lol. Aside from Becky that is who we thought for the most part was just aloof but turns out she is kind of a shitty person too. Which hindsight even looking back on that there were tell-tale signs. But yeah I appreciate your skepticism but until some drastic change of narrative happens this IS the most reasonable assumptions and conclusion to follow.

 

[Red Mask]

Right, if there's one thing these hick grifters are familiar with, it's the ins and outs of benefits. I would love for one of these reaction channels to be exceptional enough to let her on.

According to twitter, Charlie Gold is willing to step up:

Spoiler: Twitter shot

 

[thejackal]

I did read the thread. There is a possibility that a few post where missed, I'll check again.

The only receipts posted were proof of ID provided to a Mod. And a screen cap of a post Frazzle sent to her ex-husband?

There is no proof of the offending content Jerry supposedly posted. No proof of Norma's insurance coverage or lack there of. No txt exchange evidence of anything that transpired between Frazzle's daughter and Becky/The Thumb.

ETA: Frazzle's possible saltiness show be very closely examined. She's been given a free pass on all claims she wants to make against Jerry and Norma. She could well be taking delight in the attention she's getting and the misery she's causing. There is a very real redneck tradition of making peoples' lives a living hell after a break up.

Her screen caps seems to imply that Jerry has some reason to believe the divorce was caused by Frazzle's actions. Frazzle points out that Kentucky is a no fault state, implying that the laws favor her regardless.

I've got no dog in this fight other than proof before prosecution.

lurk moar. this isn't a court of law it's the Farms. If Null verified her she's verified. You can parse through the rest of it and take what you will, we aren't your worker bees.

 

[Whatthefuck]

Frazzle is entitled to retain some privacy. And it is smart that she does so. Also, the fact that she JUST lost someone to cancer and is attending their services--give the woman some time. We'd all love to see the texts between her daughter and the Thumb but that's her call to share them. Thumby's been a spiteful asshole in the past and I see no reason to disbelieve she's been a spiteful asshole A LOT.

Yeah, those texts are also her daughter's private information. There's one thing spilling your own tea, but we shouldn't press spilling someone else's that they have chosen to not share. I personally believe everything. The story is just too detailed to be made up on the fly. Not only the detail, but the way it was written where you can tell she's thinking back and forth about the event and filling in things she forgot to mention. If you're making something up, that's some next level shit. Also, it all just really fits the timeframe and fits Becky's own description of her mother.

 

[raritycunt]

According to twitter, Charlie Gold is willing to step up:

Spoiler: Twitter shot

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Of course she is, why should she focus on her own weight loss journey when there’s more subscribers and money to be had? I’m starting to really get irritated with her need to involve herself.

 

[Maliboujie2.0]

It’s easy to find out about weddings. The court usually makes public note of it in a newspaper. Just need the date and a first and last name. I’m holding a sandwich in my other hand so I can’t be assed to do it.

 

[olybinewski]

lurk moar. this isn't a court of law it's the Farms. If Null verified her she's verified. You can parse through the rest of it and take what you will, we aren't your worker bees.

I should have probably never delurked.

I'll take my ratings and shuffle away from even looking at a keyboard/txtpad while flipping through the Farm.

ETA: the above us not meant to imply I was some how unfairly treated or anything negative about the replies I received. I honestly could have made my presence known in a less contentious and more casual manner. *Insert benign smile emoticon here*

 

[Maliboujie2.0]

She believes she is queen now. Whatever

 

[Twinkie]

More than likely Norma is making sure any income under her name remains at 133% of the poverty level or lower. If a person remains within the poverty limits in states that chose to expand medicare under the ACA, KY being one of those states, are not responsible for their own medical bills. Staying under this limit would also qualify her for SNAP benefits so she would be technically able to still put dinner on the table for her new hubby who would then foot the cost of the rest of her living expenses. Norma is effectively retired.

Again, why would she care about expanded Medicaid when she can get Tricare if she married Jerry. Tricare is way better than Medicaid (or Medicare) and his military pension is better than fucking foodstamps, plus he works.

My point was that she's much better off being married to him, so why wouldn't she be married to him? Same goes for the person saying maybe Norma is going for SSI and not SSDI (and besides, Norma said she's going for SSDI, not SSI)

edit: I think we're all assuming Norma is legally married to Jerry because if she wasn't, why would Frazzle start all this shit to begin with?? But... well, maybe Frazzle just never thought to check if they're legally married, and maybe they're not legally married for whatever rextarded reason. The only reason I can think of is that Jerry refused to marry her legally to protect his own shit.

 

[Keyboard Warrior]

She sure is taking her sweet time with a rebuttal today. What's the hold up? Is this some narc power play, making us wait, or are they scrambling to figure out the best way to spin this in their favor?

A reminder that these people don't work and have nothing more important that would be occupying their time. The silence is pretty deafening.

 

[Rabbit Bones]

Again, why would she care about expanded Medicaid when she can get Tricare if she married Jerry. Tricare is way better than Medicaid (or Medicare) and his military pension is better than fucking foodstamps, plus he works.

My point was that she's much better off being married to him, so why wouldn't she be married to him? Same goes for the person saying maybe Norma is going for SSI and not SSDI (and besides, Norma said she's going for SSDI, not SSI)

Maybe he just doesn't want to actually marry her. It sounds like he turned his first divorce into a multi-year nightmare. Maybe he just isn't interested in that possibly happening again with Norma, who seems a hell of a lot crazier than his ex was. There are a lot of reasons older people with shitty track records when it comes to marriages and relationships may not want to get legally married, and I don't think all of them are nefarious. The problem is, no one in this situation is being up front about the fact and what's actually going on, so people are left wildly speculating.

 

[Maliboujie2.0]

Alright, sandwich is gone so I started to look and I noticed that the writer of the gfm said her mom “Norma Jean Williams”, the creator of the gfm is “Norma Jean Collins”, and if she actually were married wouldn’t she be Norma Jean Morgan?

Why does she have 3 names?

Is Collins her maiden name that she also uses?

 

[SituationTypeThing]

Again, why would she care about expanded Medicaid when she can get Tricare if she married Jerry. Tricare is way better than Medicaid (or Medicare) and his military pension is better than fucking foodstamps, plus he works.

My point was that she's much better off being married to him, so why wouldn't she be married to him? Same goes for the person saying maybe Norma is going for SSI and not SSDI (and besides, Norma said she's going for SSDI, not SSI)

edit: I think we're all assuming Norma is legally married to Jerry because if she wasn't, why would Frazzle start all this shit to begin with?? But... well, maybe Frazzle just never thought to check if they're legally married, and maybe they're not legally married for whatever rextarded reason. The only reason I can think of is that Jerry refused to marry her legally to protect his own shit.

Prior to cancer, maybe they weren't officially married for some sort of scam reasons. Like why not have Jerry's salary and retirement AND food stamps. Or maybe she wanted to protect her disability or who knows why. Normal people would go see an advisor, lay out their issues and goals, and find out what's best for them. These aren't normal people. Actually, they are so damn stupid it makes me want to chimp out on them a bit about always looking at what you can get/scam today, and never tomorrow. Like if she married Jerry and her food stamps were cut, but she managed to stay married for 10 years, she'd probably get a larger chunk of social security as a widow than she would from her own social security.

At this point, it doesn't matter if she was legally married to Jerry before cancer or she wasn't. Once she was diagnosed with it, they should have gotten married the next day (after she signed some hillbilly prenup that in the case of divorce, she gets nothing) and that would have opened a tricare qualifying event, and she could have picked the top tier plan and BOOM! Great insurance for her cancer that would also pay out of pocket travel expenses and whatnot.

Why do these idiots make life so much more difficult than it needs to be. Certainly the $4ksomething (I'm not sure what it would be after GFM's cut? Around $4750?) doesn't matter as much as life. /MOTI