How much do you trust/distrust journalism?

How much do you trust journalism?

  • Without question

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • With strong optimism

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • With healthy skepticism

    Votes: 6 3.5%
  • With uncertain ambivalence

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • With dissecting scrutiny

    Votes: 19 11.2%
  • With strong pessimism

    Votes: 45 26.5%
  • Without trust

    Votes: 95 55.9%

  • Total voters
    170

MarvinTheParanoidAndroid

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Ever since Trump won the election in 2016, journalistic standards have cratered, or perhaps they merely disposed of the pretense for the journalistic integrity they claim to have.

Ardent defenders of journalism will claim that journalists are held to rigorous standards while others will say they're essentially monkeys on a typewriter holding out on eventually producing Shakespeare through sheer typing attrition.

Many people have arrived at the conclusion that journalism is the vocation of activists and not of reporters, no longer are journalists interested in telling you what happened but in using their platform to disseminate propaganda that furthers their political leanings.

Some believe that this degradation in journalism is not the result of politics in and of itself but of the jump from print newspaper to the internet where rage clicks matter most, so the most inflammatory headlines get the most success by ad click standards, and that this is where the true source of the rot in journalistic integrity begins.

Allegations of mass lying in news media goes as far back as at least the 90s, as described in the book "News and the Culture of Lying: How Journalism Really Works" by Paul H. Weaver, former political scientist at Harvard university, journalist for fortune magazine and corporate communications exec for the Ford motor company.

Others speculate it goes much further back to the days of Walter Cronkite, citing that many of his predictions were wrong and his reporting was filtered through his personal politics.

The common trends that erode trust in journalism include things like games of telephone where the original information is passed along and mutates until it is unrecognizable from the truth at all, or simply lying by omission so as to not include unfavorable details which would change the tailored version of events the journo wants you to believe. Other instances include mere failure to investigate a lead and just passing it off as the truth, like this hilarious gem.

Although I know already the general attitude A&H and the rest of the site have toward journalism, that they're basically all lying scum of the earth, I'm still curious how people generally feel about journalism in the moment and if they see any redeeming value in the profession. I'm also very curious as to the exact range of trust to distrust the profession holds for fellow Kiwis in general.

I leave you now with this lovely chorus of soulless meatsacks from all different corners of televised news media repeating the same script in unison like that of a Christmas carol.
 
The news is ultimately a business. Made worse when this business is the paid whore of both Government and Corporate media. The truly insidious part is when the news media has online tendrils in globohomo approved sites ala Reddit, Twitter and Facebook. With bots and NPCs mindlessly parroting what they heard.

And like any business, they will shed a light on some issues to give the illusion of honesty but leave plenty in darkness. Especially when it makes their overlords look bad. People need to understand that the media's ultimate goal is to keep you placated and ultimately ignorant. Its everyone's responsibility to look at the horizon and see the changes themselves.

TL;DR: Alexa is not a good source of news information. The man telling you what's happening in official sources isn't that different from the salesman trying to get you to sign up for a service or buy a car.
 
A friend of mine had a fishing video of his bought up by some company that got it featured on a few different news stations. They were all provided with the same short summary explaining the video. Not a single one of the news stations got the information correct. One of them said it occurred on the opposite side of the continent, two of them got the fish wrong, one of them described the events completely wrong despite the entire thing being a video. These weren't little local news agencies or anything, these were some of the bigger ones.

If something as small and insignificant as a dude catching a fish can be completely fucked up entirely, to the point of just being completely fabricated by the news, then why would I trust that any other kind of news would be any different?
 
perhaps they merely disposed of the pretense for the journalistic integrity they claim to have.
Nah its definitely just this. Some of you are too young to remember, but media bias/news agency backed cover ups has been around since even before Reagan.

All that has changed is that journalist's have completely dropped acting anything close to resembling professional, but the same low standards are still there baked into the very core of news industry and have been there for at least 60 years. With that said, there are few journalists out there who actually are worthy of the title.

The journalists who genuinely put their lives on the line to report the ACTUAL news from war torn parts of the world, investigating corruption, and revealing the genuine truth are worthy of respect. Its unfortunate that NEWS AGENCIES give them almost no coverage or funding, and nothing ever really happens as a result of these revelations due to news agencies and the authorities being owned by groups of shadowy upper echelon business and political elites who bury it in the 24/7 news cycle of bullshit to brain dead idealogues.

If I find journalists I can trust, then I will listen to them to get relevant news unless they start saying some shit that signals them to be selling out. I will NEVER trust News agencies though, fuck them and fuck their owners. I am glad they are losing money hand over fist and people are seeing through the bullshit.

Its a shame that most of the people seeing through their bullshit are just being bullshitted by politic-tards on TikTok and Youtube.
 
At the end of the day, every journalist/news agency has some sort of bias. The important thing is that people be aware of it. Also, it's important to remember that, just because there is a bias, doesn't mean that everything on the news is false.
 
I feel kind it’s very hard to find websites with good independent/investigative journalism, as if it’s hidden from even DuckDuckGo’s search results now etc.
 
Journalism has been garbage for long before 2016, they were just better at putting a polite face on it.

Look into what Randolph Hearst did with the coverage of the Spanish-American war. The extremely short version is Hearst owned many newspaper companies and to sell more papers (and push his political views) he had his journalists present a highly sensationalized version of events, with many details being outright fabricated. His fabrications and exaggerations significantly increased American support for war (as he intended).

For reference this was in the late 1800s/early 1900s, and its not like they magicallly decided to stop lying after that. I won't even touch journalist behavior in WW1 or WW2 or the Cold War era, that would require a massive comment to even begin to do it justice. Journalists have been lying and misleading people for literally centuries at this point.
 
Social media broke the trust in journalism. Beforehand they had the absolute monopoly in informing the population. But once you let every person record events with his phone and upload them for millions to see, or have a random shmuck make an essay on issues that once needed a pretty investment to tackle, then corporate media has far less sway, especially with the younger generation. This in turn caused them to double down on politics out of butthurt, driving even more people away from trusting them. Finally, consolidation of companies in the USA and globohomo made it so there is even less diversity of opinion.

Basically not only was journalism never trustworthy, it got even worse.
 
I trust ranting hobos on street corners more than journalists.
if they see any redeeming value in the profession
There could be.
Investigative journalism. Busting corruption, investigating lobbying networks, showing connections of powerful people to each other, hidden camera shit like Project Veritas does....
In reality, they don't do any of that, and if they do, only to their political opponent, which in europe, is anyone right of the green party.
 
Didn't some fucker 100 years ago say “If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you’re misinformed.”
Technically you only need to see an article about something you know about to see how bad the situation is. They can't even get x right, it takes like 3 minutes of wikipedia to understand this and they just didn't even try, how are they telling me about global economics.
 
I stopped trusting the media during the Arab spring. A female reporter was sexually assaulted by a group of men in Tahir Square. The news walked back the incident and minimized it.

It made me realize there was an agenda when they’d rather protect Muslim gang rapists than risk being called xenophobic/ racist/ islamaphobic. I was naive about the media before and it made me realize wokeism is as dangerously misogynistic as the other end of the political retard spectrum, and the media helps promote it.
 
MSM news of Current Year Clown World seems full of woke hot takes and propaganda and seems about as reliable as a commie newspaper.

I have not watched TV news in who-knows-how-long, and I pretty much don't listen to the radio or go to American news sites anymore.

(in a way the way I hear about news has almost gone over a century back as I still see headlines on newspapers at the store)
 
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