How much do you trust/distrust journalism?

[mrpatapon]

Nowdays I treat every news article written by journalist as an "opinion piece" even when its supposed to be "factual reporting"

And even if the article is meant to be an an opinion oiece, I still prefer reading the opinions of forum goers than journalists. On forums like Reddit and Kiwifarm, I can at least read the opinions of thousands of idiots all and hope it averages itself out, as oppose to reading the words of one idiot with an article page all to themselves with no one to call him out on their stupidity.

Also I'm really annyoed that whenever I try to research a topic on Google, the first thing that pops out is some copy pasted article on some crappy journalists website that no one reads.

 

[whogoesthere]

I don't think the news media has ever been honest. I suspect we all come to this realisation on our own accord. The whole Trump adventure likely opened a lot of Americans up to the idea that the corporate overlords are not telling the truth. Epstein as well, that's likely played its part.

I think the 7/7 bombings for me really hammered my own trust in the media, and a few events have only increased my disgust in the media. Make no mistake, the news media is the media, all of it is a spider's web meant to entrap you in its web of lies and sedation. Watch my country run protection for the Russian poison attacks, whilst never mentioning it was only a few miles away from Porton Down, the same Porton Down that leaked BSE and Anthrax into the public, and that's just the shit they have had to admit to. Even though its mostly been covered up by suppression from the media. But seeing constant race mixing, endless dogshit movies that push a narrative, you start to see the system trying to work you into a hole you can never escape from.

The sooner you realise that those in power are not your friends, the better off you will be spiritually and mentally (I think they are the same thing really). Its not a case of even knowing the truth, because that elusive beast changes the moment you even get close to it. Just not playing into the lies, the hate, the misery porn that is the media. Grab what you need and leave, and never let anything touch you. You know what is real, things you understand and can see, anything beyond your control and vision is pointless. Do you really care about the economy? its not like you can do anything about it in this moment, so deal with it. Petrol is expensive, so do better with your money and stop wasting it on shit you do not need, but only buy to give you a boost to your shattered ego.

Once you move beyond that, you will be shocked at just how much stuff simply slides away from your mind. You no longer care about externalities that seem to grip you so often, and the lies they peddle are not even interesting to you. The more you rail against the system with trying to battle them, the more you play into their hands. Reject them wholesale, do not allow them to control you.

As an example, I am a dirty Anglo, and my leader stepped down some time ago, and the new leader is to be picked. It might have already happened, I do not know because it doesnt matter to me. It has no effect on my life, as I cannot control it or alter it, so who cares. I only care about myself and my family, and the community I live in. Fuck the rest, its shit.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Resurrecting this thread for the recent events surrounding Taylor Lorenz.

I do not trust any journalist. A large number of them are outright evil. There is a clear class divide between the often wealthy journos and us normal folk. It's not a coincidence that most of them are trust fund multi-millionaires with the tint of vanity that the position of it brings.
If they are any good people who happen to be journos it's always inspite of them being journos not because of like with Tucker Carlson for example.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I always trust journalists to lie.

 

[Shush]

Walter Duranty.

Pulitzer prize winning journalist for the New York Times. The prize winning journalism you ask? Denying the mass starvation in the USSR, while in the USSR, very much aware of it. They've always been like this. The few principled journalists throughout time are the exception, not the norm. Duranty is the norm.

The only conflict is trying to decide whether modern journalists are like their predecesors in the old style of:
We know they're lying
They know we know they're lying
We know they know we know they're lying
Yet still they lie.

Or if they've truly imbibed so much of modern ideology that they believe their behavior is just and righteous, in which case would they feel the need to wear a mask? The end of the Ben Collins thread sums it up well as 'they don't care to know what the truth could be, because they already know what it should be'.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Only a few journalists are actually journalists.

Project Veritas seems to be one of the few organizations that doesn't act as one of the tentacles of the state.

 

[samarinda]

Most local news is true enough. Stories about what crimes occurred, what businesses opened up, what have you. The thing that's important to consider about media isn't about how true or false this or that story is, but to look at what stories they highlight, what stories they obsess over, what stories they bury, what stories they ignore. The biggest kinds of bias are the ways they prioritize "true enough" accounts of events. Look into "manufacturing consent" for more on this idea.

Looking at my news.google.com -- the #1 story is about how to watch the Jan. 6 committee's vote; 5 people shot at a condo in Canada, 20 people injured in an airplane ride to Hawaii. Nothing about Iran or Ukraine or domestic economics. Cute article about 4chan though.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

I could watch an event unfold, live, in real-time, in person, and I still wouldn't trust anything the jewsmedia has to say about it. Even if they somehow told the truth, they're doing it to prop up a bigger lie.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I was one of those rare (probably not rare among you all) teenagers that read tons of news in high school, even watched news TV as a child.

I remember the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman circus. Formative, because I saw the world go crazy over an obvious fraud. It was so quickly forgotten by so much of the population, then along comes Saint George and a new generation of retards that think all the corruption they see is new because they never noticed it before.

Journalism was already very crooked in the 2000s, and probably was always that way. Certainly it started that way, so the only question is if it actually improved before getting worse again. What’s different is that I don’t think it was centralized in the past, nor did it have the pretense of being nonpartisan.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

Everyone in this thread is a liar, they trust journalists and random nobodies on the internet as long as they regurgitate the things they want to hear.

 

[YourFriendlyLurker 2.0]

Most things which are called "journalism" are opinions of random dudes and have as much value as opinion of random anons on in the Internet . I can read them, enjoy them, agree / diagree with them, but trusing is too much of a word. It is just a point of view, nothing else, nothing more. Current journalism is more an entertaiment than a news service.

 

[melty]

I don't think they have any value, they are all propoganda in some way shape or form. I feel dirty even engaging with whatever they consider the topic of the day.

 

[RACISM]

Journalists are niggers.

 

[Irredemable Retardation]

At this point even scientific research papers should be taken with a grain of salt, given the financial interests involved in them.
May sound schizo, but anything, even if it confirms your worldviews, should be doubted, even if slightly....

 

[WickyWickyWoW]

Do I hate journalists? As a whole not really, obviously there are good journalists who actually make honest reports about the world and bad journos like lorenz who use their positions to force whatever ideological bias, grudge, or what else have you but that kind of corruption can happen to any position of power. The problem isnt the face of news reporting which are the journos as much as it is the media that controls journalism. In the US 90% of all media is controlled by 6 companies (comcast, newscorp, disney, viacom, time warner, and CBS). if you wanted to manufacture a consensus in the population by manipulating the media wouldnt it be trivial to do so if there was minimal competition? Similar issues exist in big tech world how FAGMAN+T had monopolized discussion and started censoring, going back to them manufacturing consensus. Im not sure if similar monopolies exist in other first world countries since the US frequently has issues tackling super conglomerates forming monopolies

Since 2016 I suspect institutional trust was already beginning to fray and the last half decade has only made that far worse, that and I think the media doubled down hard and couldnt properly handle people being able to easily call their lies over the internet so they went a little crazy. That and your company being in an invincible position due to your monopoly status means you dont need to compete and so you dont have to cull the more batshit insane activists from your ranks, or so id assume.

This isnt even factoring in active fuckery from the feds. Ranging from operation mockingbird to the recent revelations about all the shit going on in twitter, manufacturing consent to benefit private interests is one thing, active manipulation of public opinion through propaganda and censorship is another

 

[Catler]

It honestly really depends.

The CBC came to my town to report on something that had been causing a lot of issues/controversy, interviewed a bunch of people, and proceeded to get basic events and information comically wrong when they wrote their article about it.

The local newspaper did a really good job, covered everything in great detail, but no one outside of the area ever got to read that because this was before they had a website.

It showed me the value of truly local news sources who had some stake in their community, but also made me much more skeptical of the big news outlets. It's like a game of telephone, the closer to the source the more likely I am to trust it.

 

[CuzinEd]

I trust the media as much as I would trust a junkie to not steal my money. By that I mean not at all.

 

[Stoner Metal]

The news media is such complete and total obvious bullshit that only the most programmed NPC would believe any of it. Asking a person if they believe what journalists say is the closest thing we have to a voight-kampff test for finding out if a person is a bot.

The thing is that the news media is just the tip of the iceberg of lies. Our entire culture is filled to the brim with lies on top of lies on top of lies. And if a person believes the most obvious lies that journalists tell them then you know full well that they wouldn't even think to question all the other lies that pervade our daily lives.

 

[Cavalier Cipolla]

I trust journalism with as healthy dose of skepticism. Anything overly sensational to me, from left and right wing sources, is gonna raise my suspicion. And ofc, I look at where that journalism is from. If it comes from an established media source in countries with piss poor journo freedom, I'll also raise suspicion. If it comes from some source I never heard of before, I'll also look further. More local news might actually be very reliable, simply because if the journo fucks up, the fuckup will be exposed pretty quickly due to the nature of local stuff. I also check if it's regarding something I know about.

If dnevno hr says that there's a HAARP installation near my city, you can bet your ass I'll go full on Amogus mode and call it sus.

For real, tho, a friend of my dad's actually made a hoax Facebook page regarding spreading awareness of HAARP in Croatia. That was many years ago, BTW. That news outlet actually fell for it, but has since deleted the article, it would seem. However, many piss poor quality conspiracy news outlets and many retarded people STILL fall for it! Doesn't matter that the admin exposed it as a hoax and social experiment.

How dumb can people be to not feel like checking it out for themselves? At least Croatia is a small country, where a few hour long road trip will get you from one end of the country to the other.

 

[Fougaro]

I've seen with my own eyes how wrong and painfully full of shit the media has been about literally everything every single time, but I unquestionably believe everything they say about the vaxine and Ukraine.

I know for a fact that games "journalism" is a joke and just a bunch of corporate shill rags, but I unquestionably believe them when they say that modern gaymes made by failed artists, hack writers and diversity hires are unironic 10/10 masterpieces and not a sign of gaming being dead and Roger Ebert being right.