How much guilt / accountability can you attribute to Chris for his crimes?

[silentium]

Was Chris formed for his entire life into making this decision? Most definitely. It was clear back in his 20s that he'd eventually end up being a sex offender of some kind.

Does that absolve him of guilt? No. Had he done this during a psychotic or manic episode, it would be a different story but buying that book, the secretiveness (Remember Chris had no problem telling the world he slept with a hooker) and having done this _at least_ 2 times a week for over a month?

Yeah sorry, no sensible jury would buy into this kind of sympathy gambit. If his autism is brought up by his attorney, it'll be as part of a plea deal to get him sent to a ward because he would fare terribly in a prison environment.

Chris is going to lose his freedom no matter what.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

Null said Chris asked him to murder someone for him

Look, I believe you, but I keep stumbling on this claim without any links or pics, do you have some?

I will add to your words that he wished that someone beat or killed Mimms's girlfriend, since Chris blamed his lack of lovelife on him.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Look, I believe you, but I keep stumbling on this claim without any links or pics, do you have some?

Null talked about it on a MATI stream a year or two back. He said that Chris messaged him asking Null to do "something that's illegal in most of the world."

I can't seem to find the exact stream for the life of me; it was definitely archived since I saw it on YouTube and it's been reposted on this site, but the issue is that Chris wasn't the only subject of the stream and the stream title wasn't indicative of Null talking about Chris at all. I'm sure someone around here remembers which one it was.

 

[Barley]

Null talked about it on a MATI stream a year or two back. He said that Chris messaged him asking Null to do "something that's illegal in most of the world."

I can't seem to find the exact stream for the life of me; it was definitely archived since I saw it on YouTube and it's been reposted on this site, but the issue is that Chris wasn't the only subject of the stream and the stream title wasn't indicative of Null talking about Chris at all. I'm sure someone around here remembers which one it was.

I'm glad nothing came out of this-

-but, with all due respect, it's creepy that he just hid this very messed up and possibly illegal information for so long in order to protect the motherfucker. If that wasn't actual conspiracy to murder (you don't have to do this directly, hitmen can be involved), it was very close and he could've risked life if someone who wasn't his biggest white-knight knew this instead back then.
Not like it matters anymore, luckily for Chris, but imagine if he told Bella (or somebody else) similar information regarding getting someone killed and this got somehow involved in the current case as well, he really could've faced life or, worse yet, even more time with no toys and games.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

Null talked about it on a MATI stream a year or two back. He said that Chris messaged him asking Null to do "something that's illegal in most of the world."

I can't seem to find the exact stream for the life of me; it was definitely archived since I saw it on YouTube and it's been reposted on this site, but the issue is that Chris wasn't the only subject of the stream and the stream title wasn't indicative of Null talking about Chris at all. I'm sure someone around here remembers which one it was.

Wait, so he didn't tell "Chris asked me to kill someone"? I mean, I'm pretty sure murder is illegal everywhere where laws exist and other parts just don't count. However, like I've said, Chris spewing something like this is nothing new and he also asked ED to troll Joshua Martinez, since "he is fucking Hollywood actresses, while I am single".

 

[GenericEdgelordSupreme]

So far he has only been accused of incest and I don't consider anyone who commits incest to be guilty of anything so zero.

Incest is only one part of the accusation. Certain people are considered mentally unfit to consent to sex, such as children, retards, the severely mentally ill, and demented elders. The latter group includes Barb Chandler. Fucking your mom is weird and gross, but I'm pretty sure it's legal in certain states. I think the reason there's legal action involved is one party being mentally unfit to consent. So, it's not JUST incest, but also molesting the disabled.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Wait, so he didn't tell "Chris asked me to kill someone"? I mean, I'm pretty sure murder is illegal everywhere where laws exist and other parts just don't count. However, like I've said, Chris spewing something like this is nothing new and he also asked ED to troll Joshua Martinez, since "he is fucking Hollywood actresses, while I am single".

God knows what else white knights have buried. ...

Kiddie porn
Beastiality
Attempting to lure children into 14BC

 

[TaterBot]

Years ago, I felt bad for Chris, in the heyday of trolls like BlueSpike. Dumb, naive and gullible.

But then the CPU blue goddess skit started to reveal a different side of his personality. Arrogant, supercilious, and condescending.
Christian W. Chandler thinks he is the smartest, most special entity in the world.

If pride goes before destruction, he's ripe.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Arrogant, supercilious, and condescending.
Christian W. Chandler thinks he is the smartest, most special entity in the world.

He's always been like this. I feel like after Bob died, and he trooned out it just got worse. Kind of like that mad king from game of thrones.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

He's always been like this. I feel like after Bob died, and he trooned out it just got worse. Kind of like that mad king from game of thrones.

Oh yeah, I remember that. He also had an incestuous relationship with his family.

 

[Snikch]

If we are talking about Chris being a bad person; Chris is at fault.

If we are talking about Chris being a motherfucker then it is split evenly with a slight edge to the trolls. If it weren't for the Bella/ Idea guys the degradation would be slowed down enough for Barb to be tossed into a nursing home. Also, if it weren't for the attention he would have run out of cash much sooner (taking control of the $ is much easier than ****ing so I feel Chris got control of the house $ long ago) and be tossed into a group home with a wrangler. On top of that Barb spooning with him made this easier. So I feel Chris is under 50% for this morally (being a bad person doesn't make you a motherfucker ). Legally I don't think courts consider that Barb should have been in a nursing home and Chris in a group home so I think he's screwed.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Wait, so he didn't tell "Chris asked me to kill someone"? I mean, I'm pretty sure murder is illegal everywhere where laws exist and other parts just don't count. However, like I've said, Chris spewing something like this is nothing new and he also asked ED to troll Joshua Martinez, since "he is fucking Hollywood actresses, while I am single".

Null danced around it on stream for legality purposes, but not too long ago he confirmed that, yes, Chris asked him to kill someone.

EDIT: I was finally able to find the stream where he discussed this as well.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

Null danced around it on stream for legality purposes, but not too long ago he confirmed that, yes, Chris asked him to kill someone.

EDIT: I was finally able to find the stream where he discussed this as well.

Well, that puts Chris on a completely another level. Thank you for the links.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

God knows what else white knights have buried. ...

Kiddie porn
Beastiality
Attempting to lure children into 14BC

One of the most frustrating thing about the motherfucker saga from an outside perspective is no longer being able to dismiss @Mariposa Electrique's speculations as being a-loggy.

 

[Murgeruni]

I'm going to get shit for this probably but I think like 40%. The biggest reasons why I saw this is because Chris has a loose grasp at reality and the permanence of his actions, that and along with he lacks an inate ability to decide right from wrong unless he is forced to face the actions afterwards.
On the first part, I think most people can say that Chris is beyond not right, even I'd think a good majority would look at how he interacts with reality and his fantasy and agree that he genuinely believes that one is completely interchangeable with the other. That said, I don't think it is a huge reach to say that his comprehension with an act such as incest and even rape is not aligned with what the average person would have, even people with excessive problems such as mild autism or even mild down syndrome. His value of this isn’t in line with the norm, and with how poorly adapting to reality and that other inappropriate behavior came out on Barb's actions, it doesn’t stretch far to identify it with immoral or inappropriate. The other part is that I do not personally think he sees Barb as the woman at the end of her life and barely gripping at reality, I think his image formed in his mind from 40 years of life with her is absolute and unchanging with time, at least based on his interactions with her in the last 6 or so years.

Second part is I don't personally think Chris has a grasp on most immoral things. This is just a think with people with autism from what I understand, but empathy and morality are both hard concepts to grasp, and where some more direct things like murder is off the table, as we've seen before, certain things like assault and thievery are much less defined as immoral unless there is a punishment to it. Combined with an ego that thinks he's infallible, it creates an interesting thought of whether he legitimately thinks that what he did was rape at all, let alone the incest which from other events I'm pretty sure he doesn't think it is immoral.

I think between these things he really doesn't hold a full grasp on the gravity of what he's done, however there were things that we contrary to this like lying to Null about who it was (shows he has at least a grasp at what society as a whole thinks about incest) and him admitting is was told to stop. There are things there that absolutely say that on a level he knew things were not normal, but to the extent of being wrong, I'm not sure. I also don't think jlhe took her saying it hurts as a strict no, rather a need for adjustment, but regardless, to ignore that, no, she didn't want this, is despicable. Incest aside, even the rape aside, when he stole money from his mom's account and lied to Null, he showed that he was aware he shouldn't have done that, which is an argument for accountability.
Tl;dr he is sick enough that I don't think he had a full grasp on his actions and the morality to it, but there is enough to say that l yeah, he has a good amount of responsibility and should have known better than fucking his mom

 

[Snuckening]

None. Chris 100% blameless for anything he does.

I hold Joshua Connor Moon entirely responsible for Chris banging his mother.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

Null talked about it on a MATI stream a year or two back. He said that Chris messaged him asking Null to do "something that's illegal in most of the world."

I can't seem to find the exact stream for the life of me; it was definitely archived since I saw it on YouTube and it's been reposted on this site, but the issue is that Chris wasn't the only subject of the stream and the stream title wasn't indicative of Null talking about Chris at all. I'm sure someone around here remembers which one it was.

Wait, so he didn't tell "Chris asked me to kill someone"? I mean, I'm pretty sure murder is illegal everywhere where laws exist and other parts just don't count. However, like I've said, Chris spewing something like this is nothing new and he also asked ED to troll Joshua Martinez, since "he is fucking Hollywood actresses, while I am single".

Null confirmed that’s what it was:

He asked me to kill someone. I don't remember who, I apparently confuse Joshua Wise and Sockness because all these people are stupid irredeemable faggots. I don't know how "illegal everywhere in the world and always has been" has any ambiguity to it but okay.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/random-thoughts-questions.49854/page-1381#post-9662488

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

Second part is I don't personally think Chris has a grasp on most immoral things.

Dude, five years ago he said that he is never going to have sex with relatives despite defending incest. He knew perfectly well that it is wrong. he is just too narcissistic to take it into account, so he puts it as "well, she wanted it in the end".

 

[Barley]

Null confirmed that’s what it was:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/random-thoughts-questions.49854/page-1381#post-9662488

So he really hid that to protect Chris. But c'mon, you don't simply forget the target of such an unique and fucked up request. Oh well, gladly for the both of them, Null is a gud boi and has too much common sense to just go along with conspiracy to murder, even if it's to help his autistic protectee.

 

[BaconWhorehees]

I blame Chris none. He's a retarded guy with no help in a stupid, shitty red state with red state family. He had about as much chance as a ghost in hell. It's amazing he achieved what he did.