UK How teachers are re-educating boys brainwashed by Andrew Tate - Conversion therapy: Illegal for trannies; mandatory for 'misogynists'

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Andrew Tate grew his brand online, racking up millions of young followers with his flashy lifestyle and version of “masculinity” while going unnoticed by most parents and teachers.

Today the British influencer, who appeared on the celebrity television show Big Brother, is in a Romanian prison as part of an investigation into organised crime, rape and human trafficking.

As Tate, who denies the allegations, waits to find out what will happen next, the misogynistic philosophy he has built is still thriving among social media followers. In the real world the effect has been significant.

The 36-year-old’s toxic views have become so endemic among teenagers that schools are putting on workshops and lessons to specifically address them and re-educate those corrupted online. Slides such as the one below are being beamed on to the board at one school.

The presentation on Tate was given last term in a school in south London to a group of 14-year-olds after teachers noticed that pupils were parroting his sexist sentiments. It was quickly derailed by an argument about rape.

About a third of the 30 students in the class passionately argued that women were responsible for their own sexual assaults, one of Tate’s top lines.

The male teacher asked pupils how they would feel if the victim were a female family member. “At that point a lot of the boys changed their tones when I put their mother or sister in that spot, but it was worrying that a few core kids didn’t and still said they would be to blame,” said the teacher, who asked to remain anonymous.

Misogynistic tropes continued to fly around the room. Some teenagers said that women were the property of men and that they should stay in the house or submit to their husband’s will.

Tate, who was born in the United States before moving to Luton, Bedfordshire, amassed millions of followers through videos and podcasts shared across platforms such as TikTok, YouTube and Instagram.

In the clips he says that women belong in “the kitchen”, that they should be controlled with physical violence and are responsible for being victims of sexual assault. Painting himself as a truth-teller and freedom fighter, he tells followers how to defend both themselves and him from pushback.

Teenagers have become so wrapped up in Tate’s ideologies that teachers are trying to fight back by providing alternative information and making them question the influencer’s beliefs.

“It is a version of radicalisation as far as I’m concerned,” says Sophie Whitehead, who works at the School of Sexuality Education, which provides workshops on consent. “His rhetoric is so violent and it has affected so many young people.”

The south London teacher helped to explain the impact of Tate’s words by creating a pyramid, showing how some actions such as using violent words could escalate to criminal behaviour. A version of this pyramid has been recreated below.

The teacher said that most of his students did not believe in Tate’s ideologies but he had been “blown away” by others’ views. “They are genuinely nice kids,” he said, adding that a “cult-like” mentality had happened in pockets of teenagers, with some feeding their views to others.

A female teacher at another school said that some pupils were giving up on studying for exams, feeling that they no longer needed education to thrive. “They [pupils] always end up saying, ‘I can get rich on the internet, that’s what Andrew Tate did’,”she said.

The son of a chess champion and catering assistant, Tate started working at his uncle’s fishmonger before later setting up a “camming” business, with his brother Tristan, in around 2015, which saw women perform acts on webcams. He was arrested on suspicion of rape and physical abuse in the UK in 2015 and released under investigation. No charges were brought.

Tate appeared on Big Brother in 2016, still under investigation. He denied the claims and after four years the Crown Prosecution Service declined to bring charges.
It was last month that Tate was arrested, in relation to the new allegations, at his home in Romania, with Tristan as well as two women. The Tates are alleged to have lured women to Romania before coercing them into performing pornographic content shared online.

In a preliminary ruling, the judge said that there was an “attitude of disregard towards women in general, which he only perceives as a means of obtaining large profits in an easy way”. They continue to deny the allegations.

In his online channels Tate gives instructions on how to get rich quick on the internet, putting on courses at his “Hustlers University” (£39 a month) on trading cryptocurrency and drop shipping (trading goods before you own them). Alongside his “entrepreneurial” advice are extreme misogynistic views.

His initial attraction to young people, said one teacher, was often his advice around being confident and financially successful, and from there he capitalises on a post-MeToo anxiety with comments such as: “Females don’t have independent thought. They don’t come up with anything. They’re just empty vessels, waiting for someone to install the programming.”

Jay Jordan, a teacher in Dundee of five years, said the recent interest in Tate had made boys more hostile. “You used to have to deal with sexist stuff but now it is explicitly connected to Andrew Tate — the boys do not stop talking about him,” she said.

In one class she reprimanded a 14-year-old. “You’re just a woman,” he responded. Jordan, 37, said: “We’ve definitely gone backwards and it is worrying.”

Teachers and education leaders in the UK are dealing with the consequences of Tate’s videos, which have billions of views.

Rachael Warwick, chief executive of the Ridgway Education Trust, which runs three state schools in Oxfordshire, said that she was “very alarmed by Tate and the influence that his story may have”. Her trust is holding targeted lessons on the phenomenon.

Dr Gohar Khan, director of ethos at the trust, who has put together the classes, said: “Every school should be addressing the Tate issue. Up till last year I was wary about giving him air time but pupils and staff have come to me and said, ‘Why are we not talking about this?’ ”

Khan will “talk about why Tate has been in the news recently, for his arrest in Romania on charges of human trafficking and accusations of rape”.

“Our pupils are hearing all of this and I feel they need to hear it from what I think are reliable sources,” he added.

At assembly in the Oxfordshire schools, pupils are told about why expressions such as “man up” or “be a man” should not be used. At St Dunstan’s, a co-educational fee-paying school in London, teachers try to have discussions about Tate and establish what pupils know before feeding teenagers more information. News articles about Tate are deconstructed with older pupils.

Warwick, from Ridgway, is a former president of the school leaders’ union, the Association of School and College Leaders. She plans to raise the influencer at the next national meeting, urging head teachers to run assemblies or lessons for boys.

Tate is also on the agenda within police forces, with some holding discussions. “The police are quite concerned about how it starts off with a few young kids watching these videos, then cat-calling a woman, or girls in schools, then they are slapping girls’ behinds and then before you know it they are sexually assaulting people,” said an insider who attended such a session.

Yet despite Tate’s views, indicative of a wider misogynistic culture on the internet and sweeping through schools, there is still hope.

After the class about rape and harassment, the teacher in south London left feeling angry. Two students, however, gave him cause for optimism.

While initially arguing in favour of statements on the board, they changed their minds: “They actually had the courage to realise that they were wrong,” the teacher said. “You never change the mind of everyone all at once but you just pick them off one-by-one ... or maybe two-by-two.”

 
I'm so tired of media making articles like this.
It's a fake story about fake people engaged in fake process of education to "correct" fake brainwashing.
Literally none of the things said in article exist or ever existed. They are exaggerated and blown out of proportions.
I try not to read them, but I see the headlines and cringe every time.
 
Honestly, when you cancel or de-platform people with even moderately positive and constructive messages for young men - and you do this continually, for decades - Andrew Tate is what you eventually get.

I remember reading a book around archetypes of masculinity a few years back, published in the late 80s/early 90s, and it opened with some line saying to the effect of "masculinity has been under attack lately and presented as a negative thing..." It was hard not to laugh - in the same way I remember reading Charles Dickens complaining that London was getting overpopulated and losing it's English identity from immigration.

It's retarded that people act shocked as if we suddenly got to this point out of nowhere.
 
Tate would never have grown in popularity if not for so many misandrists who effectively justified his existence by being so sexist. He can seriously have rape allegations against him and people have to wonder whether it’s real rape or fantasy rape, because these terms got watered down so much by idiots not realizing what they were doing.
 
All these boys in this article are fucking Muslims. It's not Andrew Tate that's to blame here, dear! :story: It's because you've imported masses of individuals from a culture that actually instructs its adherents to rape the shit out of women who put one toe out of line. Fucking morons. What else did they expect would happen?
 
just imagine if these people would've seen the shit we used to say in wc3 on bnet

they probably would have thrown us into camps

I remember going to a friends house aged 12 or so and he had Xbox live with Halo 2 when the majority of the friend group were lucky to have use of dial up for an hour or two once a month on shitty computers that could barely cope with Encarta. That was a magical day for all present, we were looking at the future and we knew it. It took us all of 20 seconds to start calling people nigger and faggot. An act as inevitable as the tides.
 
Tate is a pillock. At the same time it’s nice to see a tiny spark of rebellion in generation whatever it is now. I wonder if any of the wokescolds ‘re educating’ these boys spend a moment to wonder just why lads follow such people? It’s almost as though young men need strong male role models and if you don’t give them a Ceasar or an Alexander, they’ll follow whichever local warlord has the most bling and bitches.
 
I hate that there can be no nuance in these discussions. Whenever men express any mildly critical opinion of women, the counterargument almost always goes straight to rape, and then everyone becomes emotional. Or they'll pick the most extreme example: "oh you think dating is unfair, THAT'S WHAT ELLIOTT RODGERS THOUGHT TOO!!!" People wonder "Why don't men express their feelings?" when the simple answer is that men will be labeled misogynists if they do.
 
OP left out the best part:
The south London teacher helped to explain the impact of Tate’s words by creating a pyramid, showing how some actions such as using violent words could escalate to criminal behaviour. A version of this pyramid has been recreated below.
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Bonus points for the "slippery slope" not existing, until, apparently, it does.
 
I hate that there can be no nuance in these discussions. Whenever men express any mildly critical opinion of women, the counterargument almost always goes straight to rape, and then everyone becomes emotional. Or they'll pick the most extreme example: "oh you think dating is unfair, THAT'S WHAT ELLIOTT RODGERS THOUGHT TOO!!!" People wonder "Why don't men express their feelings?" when the simple answer is that men will be labeled misogynists if they do.

Comedians have been bringing up similar points to the people in this thread for decades. Everyone laughs, everyone goes home, nothing changes, it's just how things are.
 
Ah yes. Re-education. Brow beating them into singing your feminist agenda. That clearly worked for the greasers and the punk rock enthusiasts back then. Or hell, during the satanic panic where they were heavily messing with DnD players.

Please. Galvanize the movement even more!
Bad news: it actually does work, if you gate rewards behind spouting the orthodoxy.

There's a reason the rebels of yesterday are the leftists of today; they were rewarded in both cases. The rebellion was false or co-opted, in other words.
 
Ah yes. Re-education. Brow beating them into singing your feminist agenda. That clearly worked for the greasers and the punk rock enthusiasts back then. Or hell, during the satanic panic where they were heavily messing with DnD players.

Please. Galvanize the movement even more!
Yeah, attempts to get the rebellious kids to fall in line and adopt the precise ideology of their parents, or the state; rarely work out all that well.
 
It would actually be a really interesting lesson to pick apart why Tate is popular. You could talk about;
How algorithms push content depending on what you’ve viewed.
How that ties into nudge units, banned and promoted and suppressed content.
Influencers in general - what makes someone popular?
WHY is Tate popular?
How is the news coverage driving algos?
How has society changed in terms of who influences young men with the decline of religion, family structures, rituals and the rise of social media?
You could genuinely make some really interesting lessons from it.
Of course you can’t teach critical thinking to kids these days, you’ll get fired.
 
I don't like Andrew Tate. I think he's a sleazy degenerate and as Null said a possible homosexual.

That being said you will get laid 1000% more being the most cartoonishly open misogynist than an emotionally avaliable, sensitive, male feminist type.

Any women who claims they are into soyjacks is lying to you.

I lowkey this is at the root of a lot of incel\MRA shit. They are doing exactly what women claim to want and then getting angry when they don't get any results, not understanding that they were misled.
 
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All these boys in this article are fucking Muslims. It's not Andrew Tate that's to blame here, dear! :story: It's because you've imported masses of individuals from a culture that actually instructs its adherents to rape the shit out of women who put one toe out of line. Fucking morons. What else did they expect would happen?
While the UK has imported a lot of Muslims, it's also true that a lot of regular teenagers have taken to Tate and all the red pill/MRA rhetoric. It feels a bit deranged but I've gotten to hear teenagers talk about this stuff.

Talked to a bartender once who was annoyed with having to hear about it all the time from guys (along with the women that love talking astrology).

I lowkey this is at the root of a lot of incel\MRA shit. They are doing exactly what women claim to want and then getting angry when they don't get any results, not understanding that they were misled.
Reminds me of the backlash against people promoting 'negging'. At the heart of it, it's about recognizing that a lot of women are judging whether you're on an equal or higher social level than them, so you could basically act haughty with some women and trick them into thinking you were better than you actually are at least for a one night stand.

It's all sorta common sense, but gets repackaged over and over to new crops of guys who think it's a miraculous revelation since it goes against how feminists teach guys to date.
 
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