How to permanently fix your sleep schedule? Without relapsing? - Also what the fuck would you call this revolving sleep schedule? Is there a name for it?

[Anime Kid With Goggles]

My sleep schedule is basically like one of those revolving doors you see in big office builders or hotels. The ones that spin in a 360 circle? I can maintain a proper, normal person one for about a week, before it inevitably gets fucked up, and pushed forward, to where I'm falling asleep at around 12 am or 1 am and waking up at Noon or 1 pm. Then it keeps getting pushed forward. And eventually, I'm full on Nocturnal. Being awake at night, awake for a bit of the morning, and passing out around 8 am. Then eventually it gets pushed to 12 pm, 5 pm. So on, until the cycle is complete, it has done a full 360, and I'm back to a normal sleep schedule again, rinse and repeat?

Is there a word for this? This revolving door of sleep schedules? I tried google but to no avail. If anyone knows what is happening to me, and what it's called. PLEASE PLEASE let me know, that would be super appreciated.

And for those wondering, right now I'm on the "waking up at 1pm" sleep schedule. I'm probably gonna buy some redbull to push it forward

 

[Fascist Frederick]

Just accept that you are wired differently, maybe you aren't supposed to have a normal sleep schedule and no matter what you do you'll always revert to your natural state. Adapt to your sleep schedule, don't try to adapt your sleep schedule.

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

Sounds like you've got a nocturnal sleep schedule. There's not much you can do to change that as it keeps reverting back to that whenever you try to do things differently.

Ever consider doing third shift or swing shift work? I'd love to work nights if my own field made such a thing possible.

 

[Baguette Child]

I feel for you, dude. My sleep schedule invariably gets fucked up like that too, especially at the most inconvenient times (like when we've got a massive project at work). I've never really found a solution. Hang in there.

 

[Un Platano]

Could be non 24 hour disorder. That means your brain wants to sleep on a different cycle than what the sun does. Non 24 hour sleep cycles are almost always greater than 24 hours, which means you wake up at a later time every single day.

Environment plays a role in regulating your sleep cycles, so a lot of this disorder is caused by artificial lighting and especially phones and computers. You can try forcing yourself to sit in a dark room for a few hours before going to bed and see if that helps.

Some people will assert with no uncertainty that phones are the cause of this and not using a phone is the cure, but that's not true. It can be caused by other factors such as hormonal disorders or genetic factors, and there's not much you can do about that. Drugs for sleeping aren't good for you in long term use and 'natural' pills like melatonin are probably placebo.

There's not many options for this kind of schedule because we live in a society. Regardless of whether you work a day shift, swing shift, or grave shift, all of those jobs are on a 24 hour cycle, so none of them would fit with your sleep schedule. Your options are limited to freelance work. Failing that you'd have to force yourself to wake up too early every day to work a regular job and in that case you'll probably die before you retire

 

[Just A Butt]

you probably have autism, i'm sorry but it is fatal

 

[CowPox]

Imagine having this problem, like, just close your eyes nigger.

 

[Doc Cassidy]

Third shift jobs are your friend, you're a natural. Also, how and why are you sleeping 12 hours a day?

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Don't listen to these people, they are insane. "Nocturnal" sleep schedules are strongly associated with poor physical health, high blood pressure, depression/emotional dysfunction, and earlier death, just accepting being awake in the middle of the night is a bad idea, it is not natural for humans to do that. Plus having a weird sleep schedule like that always makes it feel like there are fewer hours in the day.
It's not unusual for a person's sleep schedule to go awry, but don't just let that be the case.

Another problem appears to be that you're sleeping for 12 hours a day? Going to bed at 12 is pretty normal, but then you'd wake up at, like...9, not 12.

How to fix it? Idk, I don't know you, a lot of times addressing other issues in a person's health/lifestyle will help but I don't know what those issues are. Also if a person has someone they go to sleep/wake up with who themselves has a schedule, but usually that's like a partner or spouse so I know that's non-applicable for most farmers.

What you're dealing with isn't that weird, but it's a sign of dysfunction. Get your shit in order buddy.

Edit: Oh, and make sure you control how much you drink. Drinking excessively is a surefire way to screw your sleep schedule up.

 

[Anime Kid With Goggles]

Third shift jobs are your friend, you're a natural. Also, how and why are you sleeping 12 hours a day?

8 hours isn't really enough for me. Been this way for a while.

Don't listen to these people, they are insane. "Nocturnal" sleep schedules are strongly associated with poor physical health, high blood pressure, depression/emotional dysfunction, and earlier death, just accepting being awake in the middle of the night is a bad idea, it is not natural for humans to do that.

I'm in pretty decent physically health. I exercise. My BMI is good. I try to drink as much water as I can.

 

[ForgedBlades]

I've taken twice the recommended dose of Zzzquil every night for the past 11 years, ama.

 

[CashMoney!]

Try a sleep study, you could have undiagnosed sleep apnea. I also recommend a food allergy test as things like gluten can wreak havoc on stuff like this if you're intolerant and don't know. Hormonal problems can do this too. Sleep schedules are delicate things and abnormality in them is a sign that something is off.

Do you eat before bed? What medications do you take currently? Is there any dampness or mould in your sleeping/living areas? Air out your mattress and run a dehumidifier in your room in the least if it seems damp because the slightest hint of mould and mildew can make you quite ill without realising it if you're exposed to it for hours every night.

This is worth a trip to the doctor with full investigation via tests because it is affecting your life deeply. Don't delay and look after yourself. If that is too expensive, do everything you can to improve environment and what you're eating along with checking if there are side effects of medication that may be causing this.

 

[Miss Misery]

Sounds like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder

 

[Un Platano]

Don't listen to these people, they are insane. "Nocturnal" sleep schedules are strongly associated with poor physical health, high blood pressure, depression/emotional dysfunction, and earlier death, just accepting being awake in the middle of the night is a bad idea, it is not natural for humans to do that. Plus having a weird sleep schedule like that always makes it feel like there are fewer hours in the day.
It's not unusual for a person's sleep schedule to go awry, but don't just let that be the case.

Another problem appears to be that you're sleeping for 12 hours a day? Going to bed at 12 is pretty normal, but then you'd wake up at, like...9, not 12.

How to fix it? Idk, I don't know you, a lot of times addressing other issues in a person's health/lifestyle will help but I don't know what those issues are. Also if a person has someone they go to sleep/wake up with who themselves has a schedule, but usually that's like a partner or spouse so I know that's non-applicable for most farmers.

What you're dealing with isn't that weird, but it's a sign of dysfunction. Get your shit in order buddy.

Edit: Oh, and make sure you control how much you drink. Drinking excessively is a surefire way to screw your sleep schedule up.

I question whether poor health is inherent to nocturnal sleep schedules, or if that is the result of people who are awake at normal hours being subjected to late hours. With the prevalence of DSPD being low I suspect that most people who are following nocturnal schedules are people working a night shift who would be working in the daytime if they had the choice. That's a different situation from someone whose sleep naturally tends to drift to these late hours.

Another factor to consider is that neets are overrepresented in the set of people who are able to live this kind of lifestyle, and they are also more likely to have other unhealthy habits that go along with never leaving the house.

All this is to say that late sleep schedules and poor health are correlated, but that does not imply that late sleep schedules cause poor health. In some people it might, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's unhealthy for everyone including someone who has a sleep disorder like this.

All of that is only kind of relevant to what the op is describing because that's not what the issue is. Everyone seems to have missed the detail that their sleep eventually cycles back around to normal waking hours after a while. That is not what DSPD is and it is why you should not seek a medical diagnosis from an online forum.