How/Will the health crisis in the first world be fixed? - Victim Weight

[Mound Dweller]

The solution will be what it used to be; people will just fucking die and the rest of us will carry on with it.
The current crop of society has a massive fixation with life extension technology, shit like statins and organ transplants for 60 year olds, this results in a mindset that people aren't meant to just fucking die off as if we're not meant to. That's not to say some of shouldn't be making it to 120; the grandmother hypothesis is a sound one, but the problems and issues we experience right no with fats and sperm rates and all that cancer shit? It's just another filter we'd have no business even knowing about were it not for our societal refusal to accept that people are going to fucking die and there's nothing we can or should do about it.

 

[Dysnomia]

It’s quite simple: you have skilled surgeons at the top of the ladder, and less skilled people beneath them. Call them whatever, nurses, medics, or special acronyms we can invent. They can treat simple sniffles, bumps, bruises. They can stabilize traumatic cases, and for cases in-between, recognize signs that they should move a patient up the chain to a more experienced or more specialized doctor than them.

It would certainly create more ways to break into that medical field they always say is understaffed. Retired grandmas could put bandaids on kids in urgent care so they aren't sitting in the ER for 8 hours next to junkies who are puking on the floor.

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

It would certainly create more ways to break into that medical field they always say is understaffed. Retired grandmas could put bandaids on kids in urgent care so they aren't sitting in the ER for 8 hours next to junkies who are puking on the floor.

My opinion is so uninformed and outside of the medical field, the closest I’ve gotten to doctoring was watching every episode of House and taking CPR courses.

But I think medicine was compromised when doctors stopped doing house visits. The classic “good doctor” would just show up, give his expert opinion, and charge a reasonable fee without insurance involved.

Whenever house calls stopped being the norm I think that’s when medicine changed for the worse because it became more pro-doctor than pro-patient. Medicine is a calling. It shouldn’t be a career.

 

[Frank(en) Castle]

our societal refusal to accept that people are going to fucking die and there's nothing we can or should do about it.

NO FUCK YOU. I'm gonna live forever. I'll be dropping Dracula Flow 3000 spitting shit about how "I'm 12 million years old. I don't give a fuck".

 

[𖦹Junkpop𖦹]

Nigga I don't know and with all of the ai shit having no laws surrounding it and our current political climate I think we're going extinct next decade.

 

[Norwegian Trailer Trash]

I imagine some sort of heavy regulation is required to combat the food industry dark magic of the best food scientists combined with the best propagandists. Supercharge the FDA.

 

[BradeRunna]

I will suggest a few actual real ways the health crisis can be fixed. Keep in mind none of these will ever happen because rich people don't like them.

You would have to raise wages up so people can afford to buy healthier food.

Cut the work week down to 30-35 hours so people have more free time to cook and go to the gym/exercise. You could shorten the work week and also raise wages so people would still be making the same amount of money but working less. 75-80% of alcoholism is work related. Stress causes a build of belly fat. Most people are extremely stressed at work. Wagies also tend to take a lot of psychiatric drugs. Having to work less would cut down on this. People aren't going to stand on their feet for 8+ hrs a day and come home and cook then clean in the kitchen. They are going to come home and eat something from a box package or can that's unhealthy processed food. They are also more likely to just get on their phone and have something delivered. They also won't work all day and go for a walk a hike or go to the gym. That's not going to happen.

These are the actual ways you can make America Healthy Again. It's just a start. But the rich people don't like it so it won't ever happen meaning the US will continue being an unhealthy place to live.

Lmfao you'll find more obese people, percentage wise, in second world countries than in some European countries.

It hasn't been a "first world health crisis" in years.
Mexico is (almost?) fatter than the US. Egypt is fatter than Italy. Saudi Arabia is fatter than the Netherlands, etc.

That's because obesity is mostly an economic issue. The people who think sitting around dipping Oreo's into containers of cake frosting and chugging soda are actually a small number of the obese. Most of the obesity is caused by people being poor and having to eat a poor people diet consisting of things that are cheap and not very healthy. Also, most people don't have the time to cook and clean. They have a second or third job to get to these days.

Lower tiers of medicine

People think doctors should be board certified and go to school for like 12 years and make hundreds of thousands of dollars. They think doctors are infallible when really, one of the top 5 leading causes of death in America are medical mistakes.

It’s quite simple: you have skilled surgeons at the top of the ladder, and less skilled people beneath them. Call them whatever, nurses, medics, or special acronyms we can invent. They can treat simple sniffles, bumps, bruises. They can stabilize traumatic cases, and for cases in-between, recognize signs that they should move a patient up the chain to a more experienced or more specialized doctor than them.

Basically you gotta bring doctors and “doctors” down a peg. If it’s not surgery on an exposed organ, then I don’t see what WebMD can do that a doctor can’t.

Remove the middle man between the patient and medicine as well.

This is actually a good point. There is way too much money involved in the US healthcare system. Doctors were never wealthy or even upper middle class in the past. I actually agree with John Stewart and what he said about the US healthcare system recently. That most of it subsidized by the US government. But they will lower the price on only 10 of their medications. Both Stewart and Trump are right.

 

[Syntaxion]

That's because obesity is mostly an economic issue. The people who think sitting around dipping Oreo's into containers of cake frosting and chugging soda are actually a small number of the obese. Most of the obesity is caused by people being poor and having to eat a poor people diet consisting of things that are cheap and not very healthy. Also, most people don't have the time to cook and clean. They have a second or third job to get to these days

Hmmm i'm not sure, rice and pasta are cheap. Even if you add some protein and frozen veggies it's not pricy. And replacing soda with water is not only a thousand times healthier, but almost entirely free aswel. Same with skipping (unhealthy) snacks and not eating out/junkfood.

Humans were poor for most of our history, and obesity is a modern problem.
I blame it on people being retarded and higher calorie food being available in general. A combination of those 2.

 

[BradeRunna]

Hmmm i'm not sure, rice and pasta are cheap. Even if you add some protein and frozen veggies it's not pricy. And replacing soda with water is not only a thousand times healthier, but almost entirely free aswel. Same with skipping (unhealthy) snacks and not eating out/junkfood.

Humans were poor for most of our history, and obesity is a modern problem.
I blame it on people being retarded and higher calorie food being available in general. A combination of those 2.

Pasta and rice are carbs and actually bad for you if eaten frequently.

It's actually not a modern problem. There have always been fat people. Just back then we didn't know what we know now. Medical knowledge was very basic and poor.

Yes, people are going to come home from their 8+ hr shifts and stand in the kitchen cooking and cleaning.

 

[Syntaxion]

Pasta and rice are carbs and actually bad for you if eaten frequently

yeah but they don't just cause obesity, which is the main topic.
Japan and Italy are known for their carb-rich diet, and both countries are skinny, with Japan being one of the skinniest worldwide, despite being a rich first world country.

There have always been fat people

But not this amount, and certainly not this extreme. Overweight people here and there? Sure. But morbid obesity being a noticable problem? Fuck no, that's as modern as it gets

Yes, people are going to come home from their 8+ hr shifts and stand in the kitchen cooking and cleaning

A standard rice, veggies and chicken meals almost cooks itself. And even then, that explains people being unhealthy but not the obesity epidemic.
Europeans work 40 hours aswel, most of them aren't as fat neither. Hell, Japan, again, is a good example here, with their work culture.

Face it, obesity is mostly a problem of retards having access to calorie rich food.

Not them being poor, not people being rich, but people being retarded. Hence why it's a bigger problem among brown and black people, even in second world countries.

There is, after all, not just a direct correlation between race/ethnicity and obesity, but also income and obesity (almost inverse, actually, because many are retarded/low iq). Education and obesity are strongly correlated aswel.