How would the world be different (or in anyway better) if the Soviet Union won the Cold War? - What if Red World was real?

Its a very hard question because in my opinion, failure is in the design, it would never win.

I suppose we would be living in a worse off world, and over time it would end up to where we are now. I cannot detach its internal failure from reality, it always falls apart. I think we would see a much higher death toll, and world run not by Russia, but large sections of the world divided into sub groups, all vying for control. Not far from something like 1984 to over use that reference.

Communism has some decent ideas, but the overall picture will always fall apart, much like it did for the communists. It continues to fail even when small adjustments are made because the core concepts are riddled with fatal errors. In the end, you always work back to corporate consumerism, which is what we have now for most of the world in its varying forms and presentations.

If Stalin wins, and takes over the world, I suspect he would bleed the rest of the world dry to prop up his nation. Much like the soviets did to the satellite states of theirs, rampant pillaging. It was a good attempt at a bad idea.
 
I think three of the reasons why the soviet union was able to fall while America didn't that most people don't talk about is that:
1.) Most of the SSRs had histories far greater then the Union itself. Look at the history of Georgia or Armenia or Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan and then compare that to Illinois or California or any other weird state in the US. Outside of the Native american tribal reserves or Hawaii, none of the land within America had a history that existed before America and so can't really exists in a context without America without creating something new. Sure you've have larps like California and Texas independence or Cascsdia but what kind of support from the bottom or the top to make this happen? I don't think a situation in America can recreate 1991 Soviet Union without it being far more violent and bending the American people into doing something that it would be shocking and almost out of character if they tried to break up the United States.
2.)The Soviet news media just sucked and America's was far more subversive, subtle, and influential. Look how the Soviet news media react to Chernobyl or the war in the Caucasus. They tried to down play it or denied it and say that it was western Propaganda. If any of those two things of happened in America, The American media would of spin it as a fearmongering campaign. Everyone knew that the soviet media was the megaphone of the Soviet government but most people in America was convinced that their media was independent, organic, and on their side. While some Americans have always know only recently has they notice the nature of the American media. Since then, the American media has continually losing their ability to be subversive, subtle, and influential. Far Far to late to of had an effect on the long over Cold War.
3.) There intelligence agency was subpar compare to America and they could only influence groups that local leftists were already infiltrating with or without them.
 
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USSR lost the cold war for the same reason Germany lost ww2. A small group of countries cannot resist combined might of the industrial world. Yes, the system didn't help, but capitalist Russia vs Commie US would have ended the same.
Even in case of USSR winning, I doubt US would fracture. Some states might leave, but no balkanization.
 
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Mainland Asia would be red, but anyone with an ocean between them and Russia would be able to fend them off just long enough to survive until they would have to stop.

The US would probably have yet another political table flip over losing the Cold War and start rebuilding, so any victory would be on a slow burning timer.
 
What does the Soviets actually winning the Cold War look like? We have an end state for the USA winning because we know that the Soviet Union failing out of existence and taking its whole empire of client states with it is a pretty obvious lose condition. So what's the alternative? Dissolution of the United States and Soviets installing Communism in NATO? That seems extremely far-fetched, the closest to a real threat to US stability was 1960s-1970s Leftist revolutionaries and they were very colorful and interesting but were nowhere near powerful enough to actually threaten the system. How do you make them a credible threat?

Alternatively, Soviet victory could be a partial victory of just, say, dominating the Third World (way more revolutions everywhere), no Sino-Soviet Split and India in the Eastern Bloc would go a huge ways towards that. In Europe, the Italians and Greeks could have easily gone Communist, and didn't France have a very serious Communist threat in the 1960s? Hypothetically NATO could have been gutted by Southern Europe going Communist, maybe the US also retardedly antagonizes Franco more instead of aligning with him so then they're whittled down to just Northern European allies.

The big problem with Communist victory is that Communism by its very nature is a failure that eventually burns itself out, every Communist society lives long enough to eventually transition to something that is only Communist in name but fascist in practice (like China, they call it socialism with chinese characteristics but its the same as what other countries would call state capitalism, and its nationalist). The only way a Communist state is going to win a confrontation with a capitalist one is if it can rush it fast.
 
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The cold war would never end then. Communism is a lot like a religion where people constantly fight over what is canon and what is heretical. In a world filled with commie states, there will be no unity as the differences in interpretation of doctrine and historical feuds will still drive conflict. Look at the Sino-Soviet split for example. When China and Russia developed Communism differently with China being radical and the USSR mellowing, they broke ties and became rivals on who will be the leader of the global communism movement. So in a Red World, it's not NATO vs Warsaw Pact then it would be Soviets Vs. CCP or possibly another major commie state that developed their own idea on what communism should be and will fight to push that idea.
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And Albania being the hyper-autistic kid sitting in a corner with no friends, building perfectly arranged bunkers out of paper-maché and muttering to himself about Stalin noticing them.
 
USSR somehow impossibly "winning" the cold war in the 1980s? Nothing would change, we'd have the same niggertranny-ridden modernity we have now.

USSR winning a nuclear war against the west in 1950s after Stalin has successfully completed the jewish purge he was planning right before the jewish doctors got to him? Very likely we would have been in based future now, with millions of ukrainian slaves dying to complete the dyson sphere around sun on schedule
 
Neither side could have won the cold war, the cold war was both countries choosing to die with their hands at eachother's throats. Everything we sacrificed in potential to fund the cold war, every priority shifted, every massive system of economic restructuring that took place afterwards, was another step in the wrong direction, spurned on by our choice to fear others, instead of negotiate and attempt to work with them. That all started in the newspapers and radio and children growing up practicing "duck and cover" drills and always being afraid of the bombs dropping. When we weren't ever at all close to being nuked, our paranoia drove us into situations where we almost ensured MAD but there was never any conflicts between our nations back then. The entire reason why it was called the cold war was because we never fought. But we still sacrificed everything on the alter of fear. The only way to win was not to play.
 
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Neither side could have won the cold war, the cold war was both countries choosing to die with their hands at eachother's throats. Everything we sacrificed in potential to fund the cold war, every priority shifted, every massive system of economic restructuring that took place afterwards, was another step in the wrong direction, spurned on by our choice to fear others, instead of negotiate and attempt to work with them. That all started in the newspapers and radio and children growing up practicing "duck and cover" drills and always being afraid of the bombs dropping. When we weren't ever at all close to being nuked, our paranoia drove us into situations where we almost ensured MAD but there was never any conflicts between our nations back then. The entire reason why it was called the cold war was because we never fought. But we still sacrificed everything on the alter of fear. The only way to win was not to play.
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Ultimately yes.
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The big problem with Communist victory is that Communism by its very nature is a failure that eventually burns itself out, every Communist society lives long enough to eventually transition to something that is only Communist in name but fascist in practice (like China, they call it socialism with chinese characteristics but its the same as what other countries would call state capitalism, and its nationalist). The only way a Communist state is going to win a confrontation with a capitalist one is if it can rush it fast.
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I think the Soviets fall would have been inevitable even if they made smarter domestic and geopolitical choices. They could maybe have lasted maybe a couple of decades longer but time was never on their side even if America fell before them.
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USSR somehow impossibly "winning" the cold war in the 1980s? Nothing would change, we'd have the same niggertranny-ridden modernity we have now.
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We would still have to deal with leftist shit even if it is a different kind of leftist shit we have to deal with today.
 
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Carlos Weston Chantor said:
USSR somehow impossibly "winning" the cold war in the 1980s? Nothing would change, we'd have the same niggertranny-ridden modernity we have now.
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Almost certainly wrong. Most communist countries hated gays--and even now LBGTQQREW is much more popular in the capitalist West than in the once communist East. Trans in particular basically completely violate the materialism on which communism is based. "It doesn't matter what you feel like, you were born a sex and you will die that sex" would most likely be communism's response to transers.
 
Some other thoughts
-Instead of identifying as republic or democratic regardless of how dubious it is you will see most governments around the world instead identify as socialist regardless of how dubious it is.
-There would be no major dominate naval powers in this scenario so global trade would be severely limited ironically limiting a world that wants to create a workers internationale.
- The Anti-Christ UN would not be so different from what it is in real life but will continue to be a tool to spread the communist iron will like what happened to Katagana in the Congo in the 1960s.
- Who would be Commie George Soros or Klaus Schwabe in this world?
 
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