Hyperinflation

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Every time HH comments in one of these threads, I just invest more money in Ethereum. Really though, he belongs in the Trump Derangement syndrome board because every second comment of his is DRUMPF
I'm always tickled that this sjw chose an openly racist WHITE MALE as his avatar. A dude with a huge schlong, sex tape, and openly saying nigger publically and getting away with it. Methinks the dude secretly wants to be like that too ;D
 
I'm always tickled that this sjw chose an openly racist WHITE MALE as his avatar. A dude with a huge schlong, sex tape, and openly saying nigger publically and getting away with it. Methinks the dude secretly wants to be like that too ;D
Well he does use "white trash" as an insult, which just means "white person acting like a darkie."
 
Lol me pointing out that hyperinflation isn't happening right now is considered "trolling"? You doomerposters are retarded
We're on kiwifarms, don't you try and tardshame here!

Anyway back on topic: money printers go brrrrr! I saw a commercial at the gas station this morning selling gold to old people warning of runaway inflation. Jump from one manipulated market to another, poor old ppl. Just can't win.
 
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We're on kiwifarms, don't you try and tardshame here!

Anyway back on topic: money printers go brrrrr! I saw a commercial at the gas station this morning selling gold to old people warning of runaway inflation. Jump from one manipulated market to another, poor old ppl. Just can't win.
It's OK, they bought a house and supported 18 kids and a wife on a single income.
 
Something I've noticed: A fair amount of jobs in the US are either redundant or mostly useless. Large swaths of the workforce could be put out of work without bringing the entire economy crashing down. The resulting social unrest might do it, but food is still pretty damn cheap and populations are far less likely to revolt when they're fed. There has been some fuckery going on with meat production and the likes but the US is still producing so much surplus grain that we put it in soda and feed it to livestock. Because the value of labor is so skewed in this way and food prices are so stable I think we're unlikely to see a Wiemar-style collapse. The situations with the housing market and instability of basic infrastructure are looking far more volatile and interesting.
 
why cant it be "inflation" not hyperinflation?

Inflation (without the hyper) is definitely occurring right now.
Hyperinflation was always a concern given the insane levels of monetary 'stimulus' (there's different means of achieving economic stimulus - Trump and Biden opted for the quick-and-easy short-term solution, namely, 'making money printer go brrrrrrr').

Economists were divided regarding the right approach (even within schools).
Unfortunately, the US (and other nations with well established welfare or social care plus concomitant high debt-to-GDP and short term incumbency political cycles) aren't in a position to have approached it the slow, painful, but safest way (ie. tax cuts, near-zero interest rates, semi-austerity coupled with a rapid vaccination rollout to the consenting). IMHO all responsible governments should have undertaken this alongside long term treasury bonds to slowly claw a nation's way out of the Pandemic Printing Pit, which is where the US is deep, right now.

Now that the Greenback is technically devalued by approx. 40% in just over a year, it remains to be seen whether other the observed imbalance with domestic productivity (and multiple steps along the supply chains leading up to users/consumers) will satisfactorily bear the brunt of it. This is what the Fed are publicly confident about.

What if we tried to combat inflation by deflating the economy? We could halt the money printers for months and burn the rest. We could drive the value of the dollar back down to what it was in 1912. It will be great.

Practically all other major economies (UK, Japan, even China) have devalued their own fiat currencies though a similar process as the US (China's in a somewhat worse situation IIRC as their Communist paper is directly pegged to the US$ - still!).

Theoretically, what you're proposing would effectively reverse the 40% mass-printing - Such drastic action in either direction would affect consumer costs, stress-test the supply chains in ways that would make the entire Fed need a 2009 era Chris-Chan dejected-lie-down moment. It would also rattle those investing directly into the Greenback via the US Dollar Index, and finally, dozens of countries peg their domestic fiat currencies to the Greenback.

In sum, many very costly consequences, both domestically and internationally.

Something I've noticed: A fair amount of jobs in the US are either redundant or mostly useless. Large swaths of the workforce could be put out of work without bringing the entire economy crashing down. The resulting social unrest might do it, but food is still pretty damn cheap and populations are far less likely to revolt when they're fed. There has been some fuckery going on with meat production and the likes but the US is still producing so much surplus grain that we put it in soda and feed it to livestock. Because the value of labor is so skewed in this way and food prices are so stable I think we're unlikely to see a Wiemar-style collapse. The situations with the housing market and instability of basic infrastructure are looking far more volatile and interesting.

On balance and on first read, I broadly agree with your overall thesis.
That all major world economies are in the same situation as the US, that the rate of inflation isn't linearly approaching the 1000%/year definition, and that the pandemic should largely settle following herd immunity by the end of 2021, reduces the odds of hyperinflation (per the definition) to something below 10% (ie. very unlikely), at least in the very near term.
The main concern I have is with respect to the very sanctity of the US for the reason you stated in the first sentence - Automation continues to erode away through traditional working-class jobs, no major political party has a coherent centralized policy to address the employment-efficiency mismatch (ie. what benefits a company doesn't benefit the truck driver), and businesses looking to recoup on lost earnings are only going to accelerate the long-imminent replacement of low-skill workers with 24/7, no-holiday-no-sick-leave-minimal monitoring ML-based/basic proprietary tech.
This is also happening in the backdrop of an eroding national consciousness (ie. social Balkanization).
In addition to the prospect of uprisings from working class Americans sensitive of their imminent replacement, we have to consider the gradual depreciation of America's infrastructure, which are clearly essential for supply chains on a macro level. Finally, continued opportunistic cyber espionage (from 'Russia'... derp) further weakens said supply chains.

Summarized, as a distant observer, my main concern is no longer the US' ability to swallow the inflationary effects of the cash injection, but the effect rising prices and the economic impact of the pandemic itself on the overall survival of an already fractured country.
 
Increase of money supply + reduction of productivity = devaluation of currency > rising product prices > demand for higher wages > further reduction of productivity > increased demand for goods = inflationary spiral

Now we have all those happening. The lockdowns caused an enormous decrease in productivity. Worse, the US government was idiotic with giving welfare checks to everyone, which demanded the issuing of more money. When the lockdowns ended, you have a massive surge of demand for products, their prices skyrocket (shrinkflation is really insidious), and people demand higher wages causing a labour shortage, reducing productivity. Meanwhile, the government continues issuing money for more pointless stimuli. Generally, economic crises demand that the government intervenes, but it should intervene with the goal of increasing productivity, which is done by improving infrastructure, education, reducing healthcare costs, policing financial institutions, and halting speculation. The current US government did nothing of all that. Instead of employing all those jobless individuals, thus rewarding their labour, it converted them into glorified beggars! While I do not think that the world's greatest (nominally) economy will enter a hyperinflation crisis, this new "stagflation" shall further endanger the position of the US as a superpower.
 
I bought steak for the 4th of July. As I have stated steak is my metric for where the economy is. I base all my economic decisions on steak. Last year at this time a 3 pack of ribeyes at Kroger would have been about 24 dollars. Or 8 dollars a steak. This holiday they were 41 dollars a three pack. Or 13.6 per steak. This is an inflation of 58% in 12 months.
 
I bought steak for the 4th of July. As I have stated steak is my metric for where the economy is. I base all my economic decisions on steak. Last year at this time a 3 pack of ribeyes at Kroger would have been about 24 dollars. Or 8 dollars a steak. This holiday they were 41 dollars a three pack. Or 13.6 per steak. This is an inflation of 58% in 12 months.
This is called a commodity price index, which in non-retarded form tracks the price of a wide variety of commodity goods to determine the value of money at a given time. What they don't do is highlight a single commodity at their local grocery store as an indicator of the economy at large, because smart economists known that the retail price of a single commodity can vary sporadically due to any number of market conditions that might be affecting it.
 
This is called a commodity price index, which in non-retarded form tracks the price of a wide variety of commodity goods to determine the value of money at a given time. What they don't do is highlight a single commodity at their local grocery store as an indicator of the economy at large, because smart economists known that the retail price of a single commodity can vary sporadically due to any number of market conditions that might be affecting it.
This would be a valid point if it was just beef rising in price sharply. But its not. I just use it because it's immediately explainable then showing a huge graph of the consumer price index.

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This would be a valid point if it was just beef rising in price sharply. But its not. I just use it because it's immediately explainable then showing a huge graph of the consumer price index.

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And it helps your case that 58% inflation sounds a lot more scary and alarmist than the ~5% CPI increase that the graph actually shows. The only commodities that have actually seen an increase in price of that magnitude like you want to imply is oil products, and that's not because it's expensive now, but that it was so anomalously low last year.

As for why your local prices are so high, I don't know. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the 12 month change in price for meats has been almost nothing. (Note that this is for May due to a 1.5 month lag in releasing statistics) That means that for every your town that had a massive spike in prices, they were practically giving them away for free at a store somewhere else. That's what happens when there's a dozen logistical steps between a cow in the pasture and a steak on your plate.
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This is why your steak meter for the economy is deceptive.
 
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