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All across America, marriage, sexuality and relationships are on the steady decline among young people. According to a new Pew Research study, 63% percent of men aged 18 to 29 report being single. That means the number of single young men is nearly twice that of single young women, indicating a large breakdown in the social, romantic and sexual lives of American men. The big question is: Why?

One would think that making romantic connections would be easier than ever in our digital world, but the opposite is true. Our culture of convenience has paradoxically made dating more difficult for men as they are forced into a hyper-competitive, superficial environment that emphasizes instant gratification over true human connection. While there are several potential culprits causing this relationship breakdown, nothing has done more damage to the dating landscape than dating apps, social media and pornography.

Let’s start with dating apps. The advent of relationship websites started with Match.com in 1995 and evolved into the swipe-based platforms we know today with Tinder and Hinge releasing in 2012, and Bumble in 2014.

According to a survey of 6,034 adults, 53% of adults ages 18-29 have found someone to date through an app or site. However, new Census data shows that the U.S. marriage rate hit an all-time low in 2019. For every 1,000 unmarried adults, only 33 got married. This number was 35 a decade ago in 2010 and much higher at 86% in 1970. So, what gives?

It’s easier for men to date, thanks to technological conveniences, yet this technology has created a counterintuitive situation leading them to have a fickle attitude toward relationships, constantly searching for the next thing instead of committing to one person.

With the abundance of choices on dating apps, young men are finding it difficult to build deeper connections with a single person due to that sense of constant availability. When a minor red flag appears in a relationship that is otherwise going smoothly, why stick around and work it out when thousands of other choices are right at your fingertips? Young men are making that calculation every day on dating apps and are siding with the latter. How can you blame them with the constant programming coming from social media?

With social media today, men can scroll through their feeds and popular pages to view more beautiful women in one sitting than most men would see in their lifetime a hundred years ago.
Social media vies for people's attention leading women to commercialize themselves, which gives men an unrealistic expectation of the dating pool. On social media, people are encouraged to only show their best, even if it’s fake! With the advancements in facial-recognition technology, many times men are looking at women through heavily filtered and airbrushed lenses.

While women reap the benefit of the online attention, men are left wondering how the dating pool has gotten so far out of reach. Consequently, those same women who are marketing themselves as something they’re not are left without a partner and wondering where all the good men have gone. Through social media, both sexes are conditioned to treat themselves as a number instead of embracing true human connection and partnership.

Maybe I’m just old-fashioned, but to me, flirting face-to-face leaves a bigger impression on the potential for a relationship than reacting to girls’ Instagram Stories with the flame emoji. Coupled with the barrage of women on dating apps, the culture of constant comparison fostered by social media makes it hard for men to commit to a relationship and settle down. If that wasn’t enough, now even men’s greatest source of dating motivation has been co-opted by pornography.

There is no doubt that lust, which is carnal in nature, is the strongest driving motivation for men when it comes to dating. It sparks initial attraction and passion and draws people together. Ultimately though, lust may fade, but the emotional connection typically built upon that initial sense of attraction is what can determine a relationship’s success.

Pornography, however, completely destroys this dynamic, because it shifts men’s reward system to simply being carnal and physical in nature but lacking the emotional connection necessary for healthy relationships. Today, pornography is easier than ever to consume. Forty million U.S. adults regularly visit pornography websites, and 10% of U.S. adults admit to having an addiction to Internet pornography.
It’s easier for men to date thanks to technological conveniences, yet this technology has created a counterintuitive situation leading them to have a fickle attitude toward relationships, constantly searching for the next thing instead of committing to one person.
Research shows that about 67% of 13-year-old boys have seen at least one pornographic image on some sort of digital device in the past year, and by the age of 18, that number rises to 90%.

In porn, finding a "relationship" is effortless. With porn, this digital partner has nothing else to do but wait for you, please you and give you exactly what you think you want. If this partner ever fails to keep you entertained, they can be exchanged with a single click. Why waste your time dating, flirting and putting in effort when men can have their deepest sexual desires met online?

Today, men in their 20s are more likely than women to be romantically uninvolved, sexually dormant and friendless. Studies have shown that men are more likely to engage in risky and violent behaviors when they lack a stable relationship, leading to higher crime rates, substance abuse and social unrest. Single men may also be less invested in building strong social networks, leading to isolation and a lack of community engagement.

Simply put, the breakdown of relationships between men and women is startling, and it is detrimental to a healthy society. The good news is that men can fix this, and the remedy is easier than we think. Leave dating apps, stop watching porn, and go talk to girls in real life.
 
Touch grass. Easier said than done. You'll pry those phones out of their cold dead hands. Zoomers were born with a phone in their hands.
At this point the only thing that's going to stop the economy from collapsing is a massive reduction in spending. And even then we're probably fucked.
 
Completely removes the woman from thr equation and places the burden entirely on men to fix it,nsoinds about right
One of the big problems with society now is that men expect women to solve their problems because so many of them have single mothers. With a healthy nuclear family, you know it is the job of the father to keep authority, solve problems and fix things. But now men are complacent and lazy and want women to do the work that they saw their mom did.
Women didn't make this grave, boomer men did. Most women are, I'm sorry, fucking stupid and will go with whatever the zeitgeist is and have unnecessary sympathy for things they shouldn't. Women look for authority outward, and men used to look for authority from their father and then eventually in themselves.
If you make the person in charge someone who no longer brings authority from within themselves and only understands it from others, everything is offkilter.
This isn't to say there are exceptions and I've known many women who are incredible leaders and men who only look for authority outwardly (soyboys). But in general it should be mostly men leading and fixing and because of single mothers that's not what is happening anymore and it's ruining society.
 
Why is it that every article I read has something to say about porn? I don't get it. How does porn have anything to do with it? Porn is no substitution for real women. To me the two have nothing to do with one another.

Also, is this article right, are men now more likely to leave someone than try to work it out just due to the amount of flesh that is easily available? That also doesn't make any sense to me. Ditching what you have to start all over again is a huge hassle. That's why relationships have inertia and people tend to stay in them way longer than they should have. Has that changed for some reason?
 
Even slam pigs want to be slammed by upper tier guys only now.
A slampig once bragged to me how she fucked an NFL player while he was in college. It's funny how dumb women are about the dating market
Until men as a group admit its their own doing this wont change, if you see any group for dealing addictions, and various issues the first step is to admit the problem, judging by the answers and responses the majority would rather put on programmer socks and cut dicks off than to admit they are responsible for their inceldom .

I'll start with the feminist war on male spaces, physical, but more importantly, cultural.
When men do not have their own spaces and are not allowed to interact as males, the opportunities to form lasting friendships are scant.

The last space for that was video games, after all others had been wiped out.
Now the trash talk that used to form the foundation of male interaction in video games have been made "against terms of service" and get you banned from your entire library.
Well said. Women in the workplace suck since it's the shit talking that makes men form friendship. While in the Marines my platoon was ruined with just one woman. Can't even shittalk with your bros
One thing I never see brought up in these discussions is that almost a full two thirds of women are on SSRIs and about a third of men.

There are a lot of people wandering around with no sex drive whatsoever and most of them have no idea they've effectively been chemically castrated.
Yeah, it's fucking scary how open zoomers are about talking their depression pills. It's shit like that why I'm not a die hard capitalist

Why is it that every article I read has something to say about porn? I don't get it. How does porn have anything to do with it? Porn is no substitution for real women. To me the two have nothing to do with one another.
Boomer coomers seem to believe men only want sex. They can't believe a man would want someone to be their better half. Says a lot about them

Also, is this article right, are men now more likely to leave someone than try to work it out just due to the amount of flesh that is easily available? That also doesn't make any sense to me. Ditching what you have to start all over again is a huge hassle. That's why relationships have inertia and people tend to stay in them way longer than they should have. Has that changed for some reason?
It's false. While there are some men who do, it's women who initiate a majority of divorce. And it's women who are sent 1000s of likes and DMs on social media
 
I note that the author advises that 63% of young men identify as single whereas only half that rate of young women do.
I note that he also glosses over this as if it wasn’t relevant.

What it tells me is that there are a lot of women out there that consider themselves in a relationship when they’re actually in a harem. I wonder if that’s because they’d rather be Chad’s side chick with a chance of dethroning his top bitch, than be in a conventional relationship with an average, hardworking guy.
 
I note that the author advises that 63% of young men identify as single whereas only half that rate of young women do.
I note that he also glosses over this as if it wasn’t relevant.

What it tells me is that there are a lot of women out there that consider themselves in a relationship when they’re actually in a harem. I wonder if that’s because they’d rather be Chad’s side chick with a chance of dethroning his top bitch, than be in a conventional relationship with an average, hardworking guy.
A majority of women are chasing after a minority of men.
 
Also, is this article right, are men now more likely to leave someone than try to work it out just due to the amount of flesh that is easily available?
Since the advent of no-fault divorce it’s been clear that women are the ones who initiate most breakups. Why wouldn’t they? Men are thirsty beasts, easily and quickly replaced through ‘dating’ apps, and government departments provide all kinds of support from financial to legal to policing.

It’s not males that go ‘viral’ spreading social media pathologization like ‘the ick’ or making up ‘dating trends’ they can claim to be victims of.

There might be a tiny minority of men for whom replacing a woman is as as easy as the average woman finds it to replace a man. But this author is absolutely on crack if he doesn’t realise that most of the negatives he applies to men in this opinion piece actually apply primarily to women.
 
I dunno if these guys are only looking for gold digging e-whores or what, but basically what I wanted was/is someone intelligent, self-motivated, didn't look like a mountain troll, was employed, and we had some shared interests, hobbies and values. I don't have some retarded above my paygrade list of demands like has to be 6'5, super fit, high powered job making 350k a year when he isn't sailing his yacht. Almost none of the women I know do either. Because I am not friends with vapid golddigging whores. When you dig in trash cans, don't be surprised when you find trash.
You sound like you have realistic standards, and perhaps most of the women you know do as well, but the sad fact is that there are plenty of women who have been conditioned by social media to think that anything less than a guy making at least six figures who isn't at least six feet tall is "settling for less". At the very least, women generally won't date a guy that makes less than they do, and now that the gender gap in undergrad degrees has gone from majority male to majority female, that's becoming a less and less likely proposition.

And as far as the height thing is concerned, here is some data:


"A survey from Bumble found that 60% of women indicate that they are looking for a man over 6 feet tall in their search filters. However, that number drops steeply as the height of men lowers. 30% of women want to date men who are 5'11" and only 15% of women are willing to date men who are 5'8" or shorter. In fact, more women are willing to date extreme heights such as 7 feet tall rather than a man who is 5'11". Anyone who is under 6 feet tall tends to be overlooked generally by the majority of women."

The average height of a man in the US is 5'9", and as immigration, legal and otherwise, increases that number is actually going down. So you already have a situation where only 15% of women using dating apps will consider someone who is average in height. And let's be honest, even most of those women would prefer a 6 foot or taller guy, they just are open to the idea of dating a guy of average height. Oh, and for the record, in the US, only 14% of men, or one out of seven are 6 foot or taller.

Let me ask you an honest question... Would you consider dating a guy the same height as you, or would that be a deal breaker? Other female Kiwis, please feel free to respond to that question as well. The average height of a woman in the US is 5'4". Would you date a guy who was 5'4"?
- MUH SOCIAL MEDIA
It's not just social media, it's dating apps too and the fact that Young Millenials / Gen Z typically don't look for romantic partners in any other way. I don't go out to bars much, but when I do, those fuckers are absolutely glued to their phones. Nobody is just drinking and chatting and having a good time, they're doing it with their phone firmly in hand and checking every single notification. Since dating apps prioritize one being shallow and picky (and that goes for men too), people are getting filtered out on a completely arbitrary basis before they ever get a chance to initiate a conversation in the first place. That, and I've seen way too many videos and posts that call a guy a creep if he dares to show some confidence and approach women in person, unless he's extremely good looking.
Until men as a group admit its their own doing this wont change
I'm not saying that men don't bear some measure of responsibility for the situation, but it's pretty clear which sex has more unrealistic expectations, and it sure isn't men. If men had the same standard regarding breast size, and 85% of men wouldn't date a woman who had a less than a D cup, I'm sure that you would have the same concerns as men do if that were the case.
Why is it that every article I read has something to say about porn? I don't get it. How does porn have anything to do with it? Porn is no substitution for real women.
I made the same point on a different thread a few days ago, and apparently the OnlyFans whores will make custom videos and will have a pseudo-girlfriend relationship with their biggest paypigs. I had no idea that was even a thing, but that apparently is what is happening and how some of these men are having emotional needs fulfilled when they can't find a partner IRL.

Ultimately, I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm well past the age of giving a shit about whether I'm dating someone or not, I've never used a dating app or social media and I never will. But when I was young, back in the day, it was possible to meet someone spontaneously and click with them, and go from there. That happens a lot less these days, and the digital systems that have replaced the old way of meeting potential partners aren't serving either men or women particularly well.
 
One of the big problems with society now is that men expect women to solve their problems because so many of them have single mothers. With a healthy nuclear family, you know it is the job of the father to keep authority, solve problems and fix things. But now men are complacent and lazy and want women to do the work that they saw their mom did.
Women didn't make this grave, boomer men did. Most women are, I'm sorry, fucking stupid and will go with whatever the zeitgeist is and have unnecessary sympathy for things they shouldn't. Women look for authority outward, and men used to look for authority from their father and then eventually in themselves.
If you make the person in charge someone who no longer brings authority from within themselves and only understands it from others, everything is offkilter.
This isn't to say there are exceptions and I've known many women who are incredible leaders and men who only look for authority outwardly (soyboys). But in general it should be mostly men leading and fixing and because of single mothers that's not what is happening anymore and it's ruining society.
ah yes
i love the women are too retarded to be held responsible for their own decisions argument
 
"A survey from Bumble found that 60% of women indicate that they are looking for a man over 6 feet tall in their search filters. However, that number drops steeply as the height of men lowers. 30% of women want to date men who are 5'11" and only 15% of women are willing to date men who are 5'8" or shorter. In fact, more women are willing to date extreme heights such as 7 feet tall rather than a man who is 5'11". Anyone who is under 6 feet tall tends to be overlooked generally by the majority of women."
I have no fucking idea how they are these polls survey done but i doubt the veracity of it mostly from personal experience i am shacked up 5.9 or 175 cm in height in a country where literally being 6' foot tall is the average his uncles all 4 of them are literally manlets who look 16 going on 40 all their lifes all of them managed to marry once at least have at least one kid , parents meeting is the same i see maybe one or two men above the average most of them at best are inch or bellow the average plus balding plus looking busted. How the fuck everyone screaming about muh height when in a country where the average should exclude anyone bellow 6 feet somehow manlets manage to reproduce? By this survey half of the playmates of my kid should not exist. Fucking hell my kid should not exist.

ah yes
i love the women are too retarded to be held responsible for their own decisions argument

He is not wrong western women are fucking retarded, everywhere else in the world there is labour division between the sexes somehow western men have convinced the women to do all the work and on top of it they blame them when things go wrong. Anywhere else if you bring just your dick on the table you will be shown the door bud.
And if things go wrong men get to shoulder majority of responsibility for the fuck up
 
One of the big problems with society now is that men expect women to solve their problems because so many of them have single mothers. With a healthy nuclear family, you know it is the job of the father to keep authority, solve problems and fix things. But now men are complacent and lazy and want women to do the work that they saw their mom did.
Women didn't make this grave, boomer men did. Most women are, I'm sorry, fucking stupid and will go with whatever the zeitgeist is and have unnecessary sympathy for things they shouldn't. Women look for authority outward, and men used to look for authority from their father and then eventually in themselves.
If you make the person in charge someone who no longer brings authority from within themselves and only understands it from others, everything is offkilter.
This isn't to say there are exceptions and I've known many women who are incredible leaders and men who only look for authority outwardly (soyboys). But in general it should be mostly men leading and fixing and because of single mothers that's not what is happening anymore and it's ruining society.
I understand what you're saying, and I agree at the end of the day this will only be solved by men taking action, my comment was simply pointing out that women aren't being held accountable yet again. It doesn't matter if they can actually fix the problem.
 
I said this on the why do you hate trannies other than their batshittery thread but the replacement of objective truth with subjective feelings as killed modern society. Usury the spawn of Satan has destroyed a young person's ability to set a firm foundation and own stuff. Anyways I think this explains our problem better than I can.

 
He is not wrong western women are fucking retarded, everywhere else in the world there is labour division between the sexes somehow western men have convinced the women to do all the work and on top of it they blame them when things go wrong. Anywhere else if you bring just your dick on the table you will be shown the door bud.
And if things go wrong men get to shoulder majority of responsibility for the fuck up
i really wonder how someone can miscontrue the truth so purposefully to fully make a group out to be the victim
I understand what you're saying, and I agree at the end of the day this will only be solved by men taking action, my comment was simply pointing out that women aren't being held accountable yet again. It doesn't matter if they can actually fix the problem.
Despite being equal to men, women are too retarded to be held accountable. Also, men are manipulating them all into doing ALL the work! Somehow everything will be resolved....But I don't know how. No one else does either. But things get solved, except when they don't.

aren't you guys as tired as i am of these blatant contradictions and copes across every facet of our pathetic excuse for a society?
 
I don't have some retarded above my paygrade list of demands like has to be 6'5, super fit, high powered job making 350k a year when he isn't sailing his yacht. Almost none of the women I know do either.
You'd be surprised how many people lie to their friend of their convictions and demands outright. Plenty people are full of shit in that regard, especially women.
I dont beieve that for a second, where do you live?
I know plenty of ugly girls that are chasing chads who don't want them and refuse to even acknowledge decent looking guys that are above their relative base. One of them constantly chases after one of the young men I coach and won't hop off his nuts even though he's made it perfectly clear to her and her less than seemly friends he's not interested.
How the fuck everyone screaming about muh height when in a country where the average should exclude anyone bellow 6 feet somehow manlets manage to reproduce? By this survey half of the playmates of my kid should not exist. Fucking hell my kid should not exist.
Because it's an evolutionary track of increasing demands.
He is not wrong western women are fucking retarded, everywhere else in the world there is labour division between the sexes somehow western men have convinced the women to do all the work and on top of it they blame them when things go wrong. Anywhere else if you bring just your dick on the table you will be shown the door bud.
And if things go wrong men get to shoulder majority of responsibility for the fuck up
Western men didn't convince womento enter the work force they invaded themselves and then barely work when on the work force. In those other countries where men are blamed men are the primary workers so yeah, that's not exactly the oddity.
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The actual reason this shit is happening is not due to technology, Jews, or even propoganda and social engineering. It hasn't helped anything, what has happened is over time women were basically treated above reproach, and have continued down a slippery slope. The never holding women accountable will be to their long lasting detriment, will in the long term damage them beyond repair more than they could ever imagine. They fought for this outcome, and in the long run will pay the consequences of it. It never had to be this way.
 
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