I don't think the good in existence can make up for the bad

[RMQualtrough]

The best feeling that could ever possibly felt, could never make up for the exact opposite. The fact of existence is terrible on those grounds.

Was just reading about vivisections performed on live humans in Japan etc. messed up experiments.

And what if other sentient beings in the universe are able to feel stronger pain than us? How bad can bad get? That will always outweigh the happy or blissed out feels that are possible on the other end.

It is easy to feel disconnected "that's not happening to me though!". But if you imagine for a moment someone told you that you personally have to live every single existence both human and animal, then with only the briefest of thought would it become obvious how rigged that dice is.

Existence should not exist at all. The fact of existence is a cosmic-scale atrocity. And there is nothing at all we can do about it.

 

[Kabuki Actor]

Kiwi Farms is full of experts on the presentation of mental illnesses as valuable beliefs.

 

[Cabelaz]

The fact we can exist means i can jerk my cock. The fact I and the rest of mankind can jerk my cock will always outweigh any disgusting or genocidal tendencies we have.

 

[DumbDude42]

then go ahead and set a shining example for the rest of us by killing yourself

 

[draggs]

Well you're certainly in the right place to express such mental illness valuable insights

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Existence should not exist at all. The fact of existence is a cosmic-scale atrocity. And there is nothing at all we can do about it.

Well that's false and you know it. You can take the neck portal to anime land anytime you want.

Nihilism is fucking gay and achieves nothing. Life is suffering, god is dead and you will enter the final sleep alone. We all know this, get a grip on the things you can control and make the best of it. If some paki kid with no eyes, one lung and both his limbs being eaten by parasites can carry on living rather than choosing to roll face down into the bacteria clogged water then you - with your first world existence - can manage to make it through another day of meaningless wanking to anime girls and watching crap Netflix shows.

 

[Accidental Racism]

lol do a flip, also not your diary or personal therapist

 

[RMQualtrough]

Well that's false and you know it. You can take the neck portal to anime land anytime you want.

Nihilism is fucking gay and achieves nothing. Life is suffering, god is dead and you will enter the final sleep alone. We all know this, get a grip on the things you can control and make the best of it. If some paki kid with no eyes, one lung and both his limbs being eaten by parasites can carry on living rather than choosing to roll face down into the bacteria clogged water then you - with your first world existence - can manage to make it through another day of meaningless wanking to anime girls and watching crap Netflix shows.

It doesn't matter about what I do.

Everyone fears mortality yet we are all banking on death to escape. E.g. we hope that we can avoid being kidnapped and tortured for long enough to die without ever having to go through it. If we lived eternally, then such tortures would become an inescapable fact of what happens in infinity.

Whether I manage to die and escape these horrors means nothing. It is a fully selfish and narrow minded viewpoint, whereas the topic is existential. It is not about ME it is about the fact of suffering, and the fact that no happy blissed out times I ever have, will match the unspeakable horrors endured even as recently as WW2.

Let alone amongst other species and so on, monkeys are fucked up to each other.

 

[Just Another Apocalypse]

The best feeling that could ever possibly felt, could never make up for the exact opposite. The fact of existence is terrible on those grounds.

Was just reading about vivisections performed on live humans in Japan etc. messed up experiments.

And what if other sentient beings in the universe are able to feel stronger pain than us? How bad can bad get? That will always outweigh the happy or blissed out feels that are possible on the other end.

It is easy to feel disconnected "that's not happening to me though!". But if you imagine for a moment someone told you that you personally have to live every single existence both human and animal, then with only the briefest of thought would it become obvious how rigged that dice is.

Existence should not exist at all. The fact of existence is a cosmic-scale atrocity. And there is nothing at all we can do about it.

Stop reading Satre.

Listen to this

Happy Talk

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Or for the punks

Captain Sensible - Happy Talk (singalong version)

A long lost Sensible classic found on an old video tape.

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[Kermit Jizz]

There's a lot wrong with what you said, so I'm only going to address the most fundamental issue.

You are evaluating existence by merits conceived of within and isolated to existence. There is no concept of pleasure/suffering/worth without existence. This is nonsense.

 

[RMQualtrough]

There's a lot wrong with whatever you said,so I'm only going to address the most fundamental issue.

You are evaluating existence by merits conceived of within and isolated to existence. There is no concept of pleasure/suffering/worth without existence. This is nonsense.

And my judgement is a relative one within these confines. We can directly experience pleasure and pain. On the cosmological level this means nothing but to us it has meaning.

The millions of humans genocided in the war. My jolly outing with pals makes up for what they endured? My jolly vacations make up for child cancer and losing family to disease etc?

There is no contest.

I am sure an asteroid doesn't give a FUCK about these things. We can and do. Existence is simply a net negative. Although it is technically neutral, it isn't felt that way when someone has a life like Fritzl's daughter (many I'm sure we don't even know about, we only know the ones who get found).

 

[Johan Schmidt]

It doesn't matter about what I do.

Everyone fears mortality yet we are all banking on death to escape. E.g. we hope that we can avoid being kidnapped and tortured for long enough to die without ever having to go through it. If we lived eternally, then such tortures would become an inescapable fact of what happens in infinity.

Whether I manage to die and escape these horrors means nothing. It is a fully selfish and narrow minded viewpoint, whereas the topic is existential. It is not about ME it is about the fact of suffering, and the fact that no happy blissed out times I ever have, will match the unspeakable horrors endured even as recently as WW2.

Let alone amongst other species and so on, monkeys are fucked up to each other.

Well that's false and you know it. You can take the neck portal to anime land anytime you want.

Nihilism is fucking gay and achieves nothing. Life is suffering, god is dead and you will enter the final sleep alone. We all know this, get a grip on the things you can control and make the best of it. If some paki kid with no eyes, one lung and both his limbs being eaten by parasites can carry on living rather than choosing to roll face down into the bacteria clogged water then you - with your first world existence - can manage to make it through another day of meaningless wanking to anime girls and watching crap Netflix shows.

 

[RMQualtrough]

Nihilism is pleasant actually, because you make your own subjective meaning in life. Another weird thing that makes no sense to me, humans wishing for their lives to have an objective meaning... As opposed to some draconian overlord God dictating exactly what you must do in life to be successful, subjective meaning being the only thing that exists gives us more agency.

 

[Cheerlead-in-Chief]

This is beyond depression and nihilism. This is straight up edgelording.

 

[Gig Bucking Fun]

The fact that you can realize this and you choose to do nothing but complain about it, despite having a better position than many others as you have acknowledged, is extremely pathetic.

 

[RMQualtrough]

The fact that you can realize this and you choose to do nothing but complain about it, despite having a better position than many others as you have acknowledged, is extremely pathetic.

There is nothing anyone can do about it, because first of all a lot of atrocities happened in the past, and secondly because you would have to actually end existence. Not YOURS but literally existence. Reality itself. This is impossible.

Nothing I do can erase the Nazi concentration camp experiments, and no amount of joy or success I ever achieve can make up for their suffering.

Easy proof of the proposition:

I flip a coin, heads you have a year of pure joy and pleasure to the highest degree, you get a wife and kids and so on. Tails and you have a year of pure torture, being raped and dissected, operated on alive, family dies, etc. OR you can do nothing and walk away.

 

[Kabuki Actor]

Nihilism is pleasant actually, because you make your own subjective meaning in life.

That's existentialism, and it doesn't have its own name for no reason, because it exists entirely to negate the nihilistic attitudes you're espousing.

 

[Mr. Bung]

Your views are based on what we currently know and can prove about the universe and existence. There could be so much more out there we haven't yet discovered or maybe even couldn't comprehend that would make existence worth it, even to you.
Aside from that. Be happy that you get to exist and take part in this incredibly massive thing known as the universe. You won the fucking lottery to be a participant, so stamp your name in the book like you fucking made it here!

Shit is shitty and shit happens, but it doesn't outweigh all the pleasantries, wonder, and mystery in life.

 

[Billy Beer]

OP is a faggot

Turn off your internet and go DO good, rather than looking for it.

 

[RMQualtrough]

Your views are based on what we currently know and can prove about the universe and existence. There could be so much more out there we haven't yet discovered or maybe even couldn't comprehend that would make existence worth it, even to you.
Aside from that. Be happy that you get to exist and take part in this incredibly massive thing known as the universe. You won the fucking lottery to be a participant, so stamp your name in the book like you fucking made it here!

Well it is worth it to me but is that how we think as a species? "I'm alright Jack pull up the ladder." Lmao... There are things I can do in my limited lifespan to help the living things around me. But nothing could save the millenia of creatures which existed and suffered before me whose lives were suffering.

21st century living, we're all in our ivory towers with modern comforts. Not struggling to not just straight up die every day.

In even the hypothetical, assume infinitely good exists and infinitely bad. It's like the coin flip scenario, it should balance out to neutral but it doesn't. A smart man would walk away.