I hate pro-bughive channels

[DeadwastePrime]

I'd like to help!
I was looking up adam something and the following could be found in the results:
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Sounds kinda contradictory...

with some exceptions, most khrushchyovka were usually around 3 to 5 stories high. the brezhnevka were usually the taller ones that go about 8 to 14 floors usually. im pretty sure he's talking about the former however

 

[DJ Grelle]

The gist of this commie blocks good argument I've come across is that they house a lot of people, ignoring that commie black housing traditionally centers around number of possible families that can be housed meaning that the apartments are cramped as shit. The skyscrapers rant is mostly him whining about how the floors are rented out by various corporations for business and commerce and could be used to house people or some shit, even though that isn't financially viable with the way those monstrosities are designed.

with some exceptions, most khrushchyovka were usually around 3 to 5 stories high. the brezhnevka were usually the taller ones that go about 8 to 14 floors usually. im pretty sure he's talking about the former however

I'm no expert on post ww2 soviet architecture but insofar I know commie blocks were the response to the massive need for post war housing in urban areas and were build to really shitty standards.

But back to the bughive channels:
The protagonists in our story are the following hive-tyrants

AdamSomething

A Czech Eurocrat with disdain for capitalism and a hateboner for Elon Musk.

NotJustBikes

An american who moved to the Netherlands because he fell in love with the bike-centric and walkeable cities. (ignoring that it's that way because the Netherlands is exceptionally flat. Seriously even small hills make biking far more difficult. And the latter is because they're cities designed in the age of horse and foot traffic.)

Alan Fisher

American sub-urb hater and train autist. With the hottest of takes that the California HSR isn't a bad thing:


Eco Gecko

American communist with a hateboner for sub-urbs.

I've left some tangentially related channels out since they're not really the focus
They're either pure train autists like: RMTransit
Or infotainment channels with a broader scope than just ragging on sub-urbs and cars like: Neo, OBF

Now why are they funny?
They've got horrible takes:
From defending the california HSR moneysink while ridiculing car garages (and also depicting oneself as a soyboy unironically)

Never mind that the california HSR already is two years overdue and three times over budget and it'll take a long time and a lot more money before it is finished.

To giving mid-wit takes about geopolitical and military questions as a urban planning/ engineering channel

And poorly-thought out videos based on wikipedia articles

This last one is especially telling. It starts with a reference to the atmospheric train and claims that the electric train is it's modern descendant (which is wrong, cable cars like the ones in San Fransisco are).

It's followed up by a call for using trolley buses instead of electric buses; which would draw their power from overhead lines instead of a battery. He claims that this is because electric buses *only* drive inside of cities which is patently false. Also overhead powerlines are a massive eyesore, require constant maintenance and are a hassle for all taller vehicles trying to pass.

Then it segues into an attack on battery production; saying it is polluting and uses the occasional slave labor (something which is true of pretty much every modern industry; but somehow the electronics in trolley buses are exempt).

His following point is on the cost of electric vs diesel busses, calling them an unnecessary large investment (which it isn't. Also no city buys 500 or more buses at the same time. The largest tender I've heard about was 30-ish buses at once from Montreal and the cost was about the same for electric buses as it is for diesel buses. I know someone who works at a bus-building company.)

It's the epitome of this bugman, soyboy channels: shallow takes based on ignorance and a bad understanding of engineering, combined with a smug sense of intellectual and moral superiority and the required references for performative activism. Truly, the atheist teens of the '00s grew up and got a home, and now their biggest gripe isn't mom dragging them to church on sunday but people not wanting to be bugmen.

 

[NevskyProspekt]

Not Just Bikes seems to really like the way Dutch cities work with lots of dedicated bike lanes that make it safe for cyclists to go everywhere. Which is absolutely reasonable, if not necessarily feasible to achieve with how most american cities are already built, and how suburbs are laid out.
As a near-dutch Eurocuck I do approve of cycling lanes, and seeing videos of american suburbs where there aren't even any sidewalks I'm quite amazed that people actually built like that. I guess it made sense from a city-planning point of view back then with cars becoming more and more ubiquitous, but tbh I don't think it's all that great. Oh well, it's how it is now, and it doesn't make much sense to compare historically grown european cities with the more planned, zoned, and coherent american cities and suburbs.

/edit: Particularly, european cities tend to be a bit less bug-hivey than the massive US metropoles, but that's because they tend to be smaller. The really big ones like Berlin or London are definitely bughives, though.

I agree. I've lived in massive American metro areas and in (mostly eastern) European cities and towns, and was struck by how much less of a bughive the latter tend to be. My favorite city, personally, was Saint Petersburg in Russia - it's illegal to build anything taller than the spire of Peter and Paul Cathedral in the center of the city, so you end up with more human-scaled six and seven story buildings. It's extremely well planned and easy to navigate (the city's layout was designed from scratch by Peter the Great, it's comparatively young compared to other European cities) and has an excellent balance of walkability and space, so things are conveniently spaced but not cramped (Nevsky Prospekt, the main street, is far wider than most in the U.S. for example) plus the canals are simply beautiful. Theaters, museums, cafes and record shops everywhere, and historical preservation is prized. The locals are very hospitable, too.

There's countless parks dotted throughout and the architecture is among the best in the world. The public transportation is the polar opposite of NYC, the metro system is an attraction in and of itself with beautifully decorated stations, and trains come through +/- 90 seconds. Doesn't take more than 15-20 minutes to get anywhere on the metro, and (this might catch the interest of car enthusiasts here) there are very few pedestrianized streets in the city unlike several western European urban centers. They even built a fancy new ring-road highway around the city a few years ago and carefully avoided any historic structures. Also, the cost of living is surprisingly cheap. Also it's Russia so the taxes are ridiculously low. 13% flat tax on nearly all income brackets and that's it.

with some exceptions, most khrushchyovka were usually around 3 to 5 stories high. the brezhnevka were usually the taller ones that go about 8 to 14 floors usually. im pretty sure he's talking about the former however

Khrushchyovka and Brezhnevka would be considered very roomy compared to the type of shit some of the more radical supporters of the hyperdense urbanism are proposing. Keep in mind that even Soviet urban planning accounted for the need of plentiful parkland in their microdistricts, which is why whenever you see these commieblock neighborhoods the buildings are regularly spaced apart with lots of greenery in-between. These areas actually aren't too bad, and it can be quite pretty seeing what is basically a forest from your balcony, but I suspect Adam Something prefers seeing another wall of windows from his veranda instead of this.

 

[SwanSwanson]

I'd like to help!
I was looking up adam something and the following could be found in the results:
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Sounds kinda contradictory...

This man is a maniac who wants to have a nuclear war with Russia

 

[Corpun]

I'm no expert on post ww2 soviet architecture but insofar I know commie blocks were the response to the massive need for post war housing in urban areas and were build to really shitty standards.

But back to the bughive channels:
The protagonists in our story are the following hive-tyrants

AdamSomething
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A Czech Eurocrat with disdain for capitalism and a hateboner for Elon Musk.

NotJustBikes
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An american who moved to the Netherlands because he fell in love with the bike-centric and walkeable cities. (ignoring that it's that way because the Netherlands is exceptionally flat. Seriously even small hills make biking far more difficult. And the latter is because they're cities designed in the age of horse and foot traffic.)

Alan Fisher
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American sub-urb hater and train autist. With the hottest of takes that the California HSR isn't a bad thing:
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Eco Gecko
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American communist with a hateboner for sub-urbs.

I've left some tangentially related channels out since they're not really the focus
They're either pure train autists like: RMTransit
Or infotainment channels with a broader scope than just ragging on sub-urbs and cars like: Neo, OBF

Now why are they funny?
They've got horrible takes:
From defending the california HSR moneysink while ridiculing car garages (and also depicting oneself as a soyboy unironically)
View attachment 3380192
Never mind that the california HSR already is two years overdue and three times over budget and it'll take a long time and a lot more money before it is finished.

To giving mid-wit takes about geopolitical and military questions as a urban planning/ engineering channel
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And poorly-thought out videos based on wikipedia articles
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This last one is especially telling. It starts with a reference to the atmospheric train and claims that the electric train is it's modern descendant (which is wrong, cable cars like the ones in San Fransisco are).

It's followed up by a call for using trolley buses instead of electric buses; which would draw their power from overhead lines instead of a battery. He claims that this is because electric buses *only* drive inside of cities which is patently false. Also overhead powerlines are a massive eyesore, require constant maintenance and are a hassle for all taller vehicles trying to pass.

Then it segues into an attack on battery production; saying it is polluting and uses the occasional slave labor (something which is true of pretty much every modern industry; but somehow the electronics in trolley buses are exempt).

His following point is on the cost of electric vs diesel busses, calling them an unnecessary large investment (which it isn't. Also no city buys 500 or more buses at the same time. The largest tender I've heard about was 30-ish buses at once from Montreal and the cost was about the same for electric buses as it is for diesel buses. I know someone who works at a bus-building company.)

It's the epitome of this bugman, soyboy channels: shallow takes based on ignorance and a bad understanding of engineering, combined with a smug sense of intellectual and moral superiority and the required references for performative activism. Truly, the atheist teens of the '00s grew up and got a home, and now their biggest gripe isn't mom dragging them to church on sunday but people not wanting to be bugmen.

Goddamit person with a gobblygook language why did you have to light a fire under my ass?

it's illegal to build anything taller than the spire of Peter and Paul Cathedral in the center of the city

My local 'city' has an ordinance like this city wide. Given it's location next to several large cities I like to think this is what is safeguarding the bughivization of it.

 

[DJ Grelle]

Goddamit person with a gobblygook language why did you have to light a fire under my ass?

My local 'city' has an ordinance like this city wide. Given it's location next to several large cities I like to think this is what is safeguarding the bughivization of it.

It's called "Dutch" and it is the superior language because "Ik Sneed" is grammatically correct.

Also no building in Paris can be bigger than the Eiffel tower, that's another of those ordinances.

 

[NevskyProspekt]

I'm no expert on post ww2 soviet architecture but insofar I know commie blocks were the response to the massive need for post war housing in urban areas and were build to really shitty standards.

But back to the bughive channels:
The protagonists in our story are the following hive-tyrants

AdamSomething
View attachment 3380072
A Czech Eurocrat with disdain for capitalism and a hateboner for Elon Musk.

NotJustBikes
View attachment 3380083
An american who moved to the Netherlands because he fell in love with the bike-centric and walkeable cities. (ignoring that it's that way because the Netherlands is exceptionally flat. Seriously even small hills make biking far more difficult. And the latter is because they're cities designed in the age of horse and foot traffic.)

Alan Fisher
View attachment 3380111
American sub-urb hater and train autist. With the hottest of takes that the California HSR isn't a bad thing:
View attachment 3380123

Eco Gecko
View attachment 3380134
American communist with a hateboner for sub-urbs.

I've left some tangentially related channels out since they're not really the focus
They're either pure train autists like: RMTransit
Or infotainment channels with a broader scope than just ragging on sub-urbs and cars like: Neo, OBF

Now why are they funny?
They've got horrible takes:
From defending the california HSR moneysink while ridiculing car garages (and also depicting oneself as a soyboy unironically)
View attachment 3380192
Never mind that the california HSR already is two years overdue and three times over budget and it'll take a long time and a lot more money before it is finished.

To giving mid-wit takes about geopolitical and military questions as a urban planning/ engineering channel
View attachment 3380208
And poorly-thought out videos based on wikipedia articles
View attachment 3380228
This last one is especially telling. It starts with a reference to the atmospheric train and claims that the electric train is it's modern descendant (which is wrong, cable cars like the ones in San Fransisco are).

It's followed up by a call for using trolley buses instead of electric buses; which would draw their power from overhead lines instead of a battery. He claims that this is because electric buses *only* drive inside of cities which is patently false. Also overhead powerlines are a massive eyesore, require constant maintenance and are a hassle for all taller vehicles trying to pass.

Then it segues into an attack on battery production; saying it is polluting and uses the occasional slave labor (something which is true of pretty much every modern industry; but somehow the electronics in trolley buses are exempt).

His following point is on the cost of electric vs diesel busses, calling them an unnecessary large investment (which it isn't. Also no city buys 500 or more buses at the same time. The largest tender I've heard about was 30-ish buses at once from Montreal and the cost was about the same for electric buses as it is for diesel buses. I know someone who works at a bus-building company.)

It's the epitome of this bugman, soyboy channels: shallow takes based on ignorance and a bad understanding of engineering, combined with a smug sense of intellectual and moral superiority and the required references for performative activism. Truly, the atheist teens of the '00s grew up and got a home, and now their biggest gripe isn't mom dragging them to church on sunday but people not wanting to be bugmen.

I've mentioned it earlier but I'm not sure if NotJustBikes belongs here. Britmonkey and Adam Something absolutely, but not NotJustBikes. He's far less of a sperg and is more reasonable in what he advocates for (note his streetcar suburbs video, you would never see something like that in an Adam Something video).

He even states here: "There is not a problem with suburbs. Suburbs have existed almost as long as cities have existed, and there is nothing inherently wrong with them. The problem is car-dependent suburbs, and that is what I mean when I talk about suburbia." The man has a concept of nuance the more autistic ones lack. I'll give him credit for that. Plus he's never advocated for stuffing as many people as possible into high-rises or banning cars altogether.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

With the hottest of takes that the California HSR isn't a bad thing

based

 

[Slightly Apathetic Mario]

also doubleposting because i'm bored again, Why do eurofags and Leafs go on about "muh walkable citites" like wow, you get a greater chance of being mugged by the religion of peace. When did the whole idea of owning a car suddenly become bad to these faggots? I get the idea of public transportation, but cars are important to a great degree, I bet these fags that want to "#bancars" have parents that own semi decent cars/trucks/etc that would give them down to their kids when they die, only for that said child to sell it because "muh hecking environment" and buy Soylent or Funko pops with that money.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

also doubleposting because i'm bored again, Why do eurofags and Leafs go on about "muh walkable citites" like wow, you get a greater chance of being mugged by the religion of peace. When did the whole idea of owning a car suddenly become bad to these faggots? I get the idea of public transportation, but cars are important to a great degree, I bet these fags that want to "#bancars" have parents that own semi decent cars/trucks/etc that would give them down to their kids when they die, only for that said child to sell it because "muh hecking environment" and buy Soylent or Funko pops with that money.

youre lucky i cant rate you

 

[Meriasek]

Cycling harder when there are hills? Yes, of course. So? It won't kill you, and if you're really that much of a wimp, get one of those poofy e-bikes*.
Not that cars are bad, there's certainly use for them and I think they're extremely important for personal freedom of movement and thus shouldn't be arbitrarily restricted on principle alone, but it definitely is nice to simply be able to just take the bike for distances up to, dunno, 10 km, and be reasonably safe.
Although we got extreme bike-fags here who think the road is made for them alone, and will routinely run red lights, cross sidewalks, or stop in dead angles of trucks and then complain when they get run over.

*Ok, reasonably hilly. I get that cycling in cities like San Francisco where you get extreme slopes all the time would suck, but tbh that's also kinda shitty city planning, isn't it? Plonking down the standard square road grid on a hilly place like that doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
But with some hills it's not that bad. I think at university my commute was like 6.5 km and mainly uphill, elevation difference in total about 100 m. A few hundred meters of relatively steep road isn't bad.

 

[quaawaa]

I've mentioned it earlier but I'm not sure if NotJustBikes belongs here. Britmonkey and Adam Something absolutely, but not NotJustBikes. He's far less of a sperg and is more reasonable in what he advocates for

Not going to argue with you about his views, but he deserves a spot purely because he is Reddit’s favorite channel.

 

[Certified_Autist]

also doubleposting because i'm bored again, Why do eurofags and Leafs go on about "muh walkable citites" like wow, you get a greater chance of being mugged by the religion of peace.

That's exactly the reason why public transport/walkability isn't popular in America. All of America's post-1950s transportation and land use choices were designed to keep niggers out of nice neighborhoods. Because it became illegal to just outright ban niggers, planners resorted to restricting public transport and apartment complexes, since they tend to be poor and get aid from the govt to use those.

Walkable cities and public transport worked great in Europe until very recently, because they didn't have a problem with large percentages of their society being unpleasant. Those planning styles only work on the assumption that other people are pleasant to be around.

When did the whole idea of owning a car suddenly become bad to these faggots? I get the idea of public transportation, but cars are important to a great degree, I bet these fags that want to "#bancars" have parents that own semi decent cars/trucks/etc that would give them down to their kids when they die, only for that said child to sell it because "muh hecking environment" and buy Soylent or Funko pops with that money.

For those types I'd say half are lifelong city dwellers that have never owned a car and thus have no real appreciation for them. The other half are transplants from the suburbs trying to justify their expensive urban lifestyle, some of the suburb transplants having experienced cars, might on some level be jealous they can no longer afford one, and want to drag everyone down with them.

 

[Dr Doom Pill]

The biggest issue I see with the idea of
“Just add more trains bro” is how will it be done? Is the government going to seize private property to build their projects or are they going to pay people for it? How are they going to build these new trains without disrupting daily activities annoying people? The Californian state government tried to build high speed rail and it’s going miserably. So what’s the plan here?

 

[The Great Chandler]

I have no problems with people who don't mind living in a city or living outside of one, but anyone who thinks we should abandon independent modes of long distance travel deserve to seethe.

 

[The Ugly One]

Cars didn't ruin American cities; 15 do 50 did. Some of this public transportation stuff sounds nice until you factor in, "and then we're going to let black people turn it into a cesspit of piss and murder." The one thing bug hive promoters all seem to have in common is they live far away from blacks and don't have kids. It's always, "wow, look at this awesome city in Japan or Norway or whatever, I mean, there are no black people or babies, but this could totally work for everybody!"

 

[Kermit Jizz]

I've mentioned it earlier but I'm not sure if NotJustBikes belongs here. Britmonkey and Adam Something absolutely, but not NotJustBikes. He's far less of a sperg and is more reasonable in what he advocates for (note his streetcar suburbs video, you would never see something like that in an Adam Something video).

He even states here: "There is not a problem with suburbs. Suburbs have existed almost as long as cities have existed, and there is nothing inherently wrong with them. The problem is car-dependent suburbs, and that is what I mean when I talk about suburbia." The man has a concept of nuance the more autistic ones lack. I'll give him credit for that. Plus he's never advocated for stuffing as many people as possible into high-rises or banning cars altogether.

This is one of the fuckers I was thinking belonged here. I only saw one of his videos, but fuck me it drove me crazy. His constant use of soy-phrases like "anti-human road design" boiled my piss. His entire spiel about American cities being shit basically boiled down to: duurrrrrrrrr there's no sidewalks in this shopping district that's an hour+ walk from any residences, if I didn't have a car I couldn't live here durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Any city I've ever lived near had the same issue in that 99% of the traffic is people going in and out of the city. Every fucking city has had this issue, tons of people work in the city but don't live in it. How do you build a public transportation system that efficiently gets thousands upon thousands, possibly millions depending on the city, of people up to a half hour outside city limits anywhere in the city? Answer: you fucking don't just let them drive cars you retarded nigger. Seriously, if not owning a car is such a death sentence in American cities, where are all these people struggling without cars? You can get a beat up piece of shit that'll get you around town for less than a months rent in most cities, and that's assuming you didn't just inherit a car from your parents like a lot of American teens do.

Sorry about the rant, but listening to these retards makes me seethe.

 

[Spud]

There's something else missing from the Netherlands which is prominent in US cities.

Hey now. Diversity is the secret of European power and I will not let you slander it otherwise

 

[No. 7 cat]

There's something else missing from the Netherlands which is prominent in US cities.

Urban youth, or basketball Americans, so to speak?

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Hey now. Diversity is the secret of European power and I will not let you slander it otherwise

Urban youth, or basketball Americans, so to speak?

Very few English either, makes one think.