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Perhaps we should reach out to this forum. Provide them technical assistance and get them to move away from Cloudflare.
I hate the Internet and the people who own it
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ClownFlare is systemically racist and I'd send BLM after them.
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Well, I hope their current and potential customers are noticing what a joke ClownFlare is.
Would be a shame if something knocked these monopolistic fucks out of their top dog position because their service is shit.
Matthew Prince needs to choke to death on dicks.
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Good luck, BLM only cares about niggers in the United States, not anywhere else.
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They don't even care about niggers in US, they only pretend, to defraud them and neo-liberals out of money.
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What the actual fuck?! Nairaland was about the most harmless place on the internet. These niggas really do hate fun.
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I think it would be a good time to set up a technical guide to maintaining internet independence based on the strategies employed by Josh. I'm sure a group of posters here could help put it all together and distribute it freely. Start a movement and give it a playbook.
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Some will die but the sun will rise
Just like it has before
Bullets fly but the blood will dry
We'll load our guns once more
We will rise and we'll risk our lives
This is how heroes are born
We will fight through the darkest night
Won't back down, we want war
Just like it has before
Bullets fly but the blood will dry
We'll load our guns once more
We will rise and we'll risk our lives
This is how heroes are born
We will fight through the darkest night
Won't back down, we want war
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Has anybody seen this article (archive) about KF? (it might have been posted somewhere but not coming up in any searches)
Not going to be shocked it it's been posted before but seemed like a good read / maybe somebody worth talking to?
It is important to remember that when it comes to free expression online, no corporation is coming to save you. For far too long, people have placed too much trust in corporate social media. They have certainly abused that trust, but as of recently a far more concerning trend has arisen: parts of the Internet de-platforming itself.
It doesn’t look like much, this innocuous text reveals that the Internet isn’t dying… it’s being killed. It’s not so much the what here that’s important, but the why that matters a great deal here. For now, what’s important to understand is that the Internet is built very differently from how most people imagine it.
The internet isn’t a single homogeneous network, it’s a network of networks. Those networks need a protocol to negotiate a vast array of details, to successfully and efficiently move data around. In many ways, it’s somewhat of a miracle it all works at all.
Naturally, there are weak-points that get tested over time. In our age of incredibly high polarization, people may choose to take incredibly rash actions even if there are immensely harmful consequences to vital structures. In a way, I am conflicted to point this out, because if more mobs of people decided to selectively pressure ISPs to wage the culture war for them, it is effectively game-over for the Internet as a meaningful tool for free expression, cultural exchange, and the preservation of knowledge.
Unfortunately, we do not have the luxury of wishing the cat back into the bag. This is a one-way trip into a world where this is a risk people need to properly account for. In recent times, we have seen just how motivated governments and corporations across he world are to secure total dominance over online communications and commerce, it would be a mistake to idly stand by while politicized mobs secure a veto over critical infrastructure.
BGP is a big deal, despite being something very few people have to interact with directly. Causing problems with it made the Internet unusable for half of Canada last year. It’s a trivial change to block a particular network, which is done to mitigate direct attacks on the network or criminal activity. The weaponization of this is an immense challenge for anyone who cares about a free and open internet.
Not all ISPs are equal, anyone with the capability of applying pressure to critical components on “the stack” has the ability to have immense power over anyone’s ability to participate online.
The only reason we’re hearing about this at all, is because of how dedicated Joshua Moon has been about keeping his website online. In the face of being de-platformed by multiple providers, many other projects would have merely given up. How many businesses or publication would persist after being de-platformed by ISPs and hosting providers all over the world?
What makes this incident personally interesting to me is that this is a window into the bleeding-edge of censorship online. I doubt that the Internet itself is resilient to sustain politically motivated attacks at such a fundamental level. This incident forces all of us to consider how the world would be different if access to the Internet was only possible with permission and control of unaccountable public-private partnerships.
Said succinctly, the slope is indeed very slippery and very steep.
It’s difficult to overstate what this means for the future of the Internet. No site, service, or community can single-handedly withstand the forces at play here. The very same tactics used to shut down that forum, can and will be leveraged against anything. This means that even if the forum is successful at staying online, a strategy has been introduced that can be attempted at a different time, with a different pretext, on any target.
You need to start deciding what measures are “too far” even for those you disagree with the most. It is critical that we as people in society strengthen the restraints on how institutions are able to interact with people. Given how fundamental the Internet is with commerce and people’s lives, it’s vital that we reassert people’s human liberties in cyberspace as well.
While it’s one thing to access the Tor network, it’s a whole other challenge to attempt to hide that you’re using it. If we allow ISPs to be weaponized against their customers, and the Internet itself, there is very little that can be done to route around it.
This is because the physical state of the network is downstream of real physical realities and economies of scale. It would be much easier to reaffirm individual rights, than to try to bet everything on engineering a perfect global network without compromise.
This is the real danger of our polarized times. People are unwilling to stand for other’s inalienable natural rights, and instead prefer to only stick out for their perceived allies in the culture wars. This means that nobody is truly above being tarred and feathered by a highly motivated group of activists.
Note: Nothing has to be fabricated. People are naturally quite different and there are going to be real and meaningful disagreements. It is our responsibility to ensure those disagreements are handled properly and fairly, rather than wage culture war with the justice in the balance.
With means like online identity verification, criminals and deplorables alike will be able to be entirely purged from the Internet merely at the cost of an increasingly powerful bureaucracy monitoring, blocking, or altering people’s communications. The process itself becomes the problem. Instead of actually resolving the problem we have merely concentrated more power into a more consolidated structure that becomes ripe for abuse.
It doesn’t look like much, this innocuous text reveals that the Internet isn’t dying… it’s being killed. It’s not so much the what here that’s important, but the why that matters a great deal here. For now, what’s important to understand is that the Internet is built very differently from how most people imagine it.
The internet isn’t a single homogeneous network, it’s a network of networks. Those networks need a protocol to negotiate a vast array of details, to successfully and efficiently move data around. In many ways, it’s somewhat of a miracle it all works at all.
Naturally, there are weak-points that get tested over time. In our age of incredibly high polarization, people may choose to take incredibly rash actions even if there are immensely harmful consequences to vital structures. In a way, I am conflicted to point this out, because if more mobs of people decided to selectively pressure ISPs to wage the culture war for them, it is effectively game-over for the Internet as a meaningful tool for free expression, cultural exchange, and the preservation of knowledge.
Unfortunately, we do not have the luxury of wishing the cat back into the bag. This is a one-way trip into a world where this is a risk people need to properly account for. In recent times, we have seen just how motivated governments and corporations across he world are to secure total dominance over online communications and commerce, it would be a mistake to idly stand by while politicized mobs secure a veto over critical infrastructure.
What happened
- Joshua Moon runs a controversial online forum Kiwi Farms, which is the target of extreme and escalating online censorship.
- Hurricane Electric has blocked network traffic from IPs associated owned by Joshua Moon, impacting IngocNet’s services in Washington.
- Washington has common carrier protections for communications online.
It is up to their attorney general, to enforce those protections. - IncogNet LLC has filed a complaint to the washington attorney general against hurricane electric for de-platforming their IPs.
Technical Background
Internet service providers (ISPs) have to connect to each other for this whole internet thing to work. One mechanism that helps with this is BGP (Border gateway protocol), which is how networks introduce themselves to each other. This connection between ISP networks is a fundamental unit of the Internet. Without it, you’d need to have a direct, physical connection to every service you want to use.BGP is a big deal, despite being something very few people have to interact with directly. Causing problems with it made the Internet unusable for half of Canada last year. It’s a trivial change to block a particular network, which is done to mitigate direct attacks on the network or criminal activity. The weaponization of this is an immense challenge for anyone who cares about a free and open internet.
Not all ISPs are equal, anyone with the capability of applying pressure to critical components on “the stack” has the ability to have immense power over anyone’s ability to participate online.
The only reason we’re hearing about this at all, is because of how dedicated Joshua Moon has been about keeping his website online. In the face of being de-platformed by multiple providers, many other projects would have merely given up. How many businesses or publication would persist after being de-platformed by ISPs and hosting providers all over the world?
What makes this incident personally interesting to me is that this is a window into the bleeding-edge of censorship online. I doubt that the Internet itself is resilient to sustain politically motivated attacks at such a fundamental level. This incident forces all of us to consider how the world would be different if access to the Internet was only possible with permission and control of unaccountable public-private partnerships.
Why this matters
As cited in Tools of the Technocracy: Internet Shutdowns:Said succinctly, the slope is indeed very slippery and very steep.
It’s difficult to overstate what this means for the future of the Internet. No site, service, or community can single-handedly withstand the forces at play here. The very same tactics used to shut down that forum, can and will be leveraged against anything. This means that even if the forum is successful at staying online, a strategy has been introduced that can be attempted at a different time, with a different pretext, on any target.
What you can do
Joshua Moon himself suggests that you:- Learn how to acquire & use Cryptocurrency if you’re interested in supporting those who are de-banked.
- Learn how to use Tor, to access information that may be entirely removed from the “clearnet”.
- Support expanding common carrier protections for speech online.
A call to stand up for individual rights
You don’t even have to like the forum to recognize that escalating top-down control over the Internet is a net-detriment for all our liberty. The feedback loop of people leveraging institutions to abuse their opponents only further escalates the cycle.You need to start deciding what measures are “too far” even for those you disagree with the most. It is critical that we as people in society strengthen the restraints on how institutions are able to interact with people. Given how fundamental the Internet is with commerce and people’s lives, it’s vital that we reassert people’s human liberties in cyberspace as well.
Non-Solutions
Tor alone
Relegating free and open expression to a small minority of technologically savvy dissidents is all-but a win condition for tyrants. Tor is an incredibly useful tool, and it is critical that people understand how to use it and other privacy networks, but it is not a complete solution. Any single tool that can be used for dissent can itself become a target.While it’s one thing to access the Tor network, it’s a whole other challenge to attempt to hide that you’re using it. If we allow ISPs to be weaponized against their customers, and the Internet itself, there is very little that can be done to route around it.
Web3 Fixes this!
Building on he previous section, we cannot out-engineer a culture that tolerates, much less demands censorship. Due to the very way the Internet works, this problem can’t be fixed with merely a different coat of paint on top. There are fundamental structural realities that higher level applications can’t solve.This is because the physical state of the network is downstream of real physical realities and economies of scale. It would be much easier to reaffirm individual rights, than to try to bet everything on engineering a perfect global network without compromise.
How to normalize institutional abuse
There is a pattern where further and further excesses are justified in the name of persecuting the worst of the worst, yet they manage to be generalized to all of society like the Zero Covid Policy or the War on Terror. It wasn’t long after Alex Jones was de-platformed that governments across the world were coordinating to control social media entirely.1. Find an unsympathetic target
By selecting a target that’s difficult to defend, people will very often ask “Is this the hill to die on?”. By procrastinating to defend people’s right to due process or from unreasonable sanctions, we enable further abuses. The target isn’t selected for their suitability towards the intended policy goal, but rather because they are unsympathetic.2. Target them with a dedicated smear campaign
I would caution you to not dismiss that you yourself may very well be such a target. None of us are without sin, and almost everyone can be fit to be tied in our age of algorithmically enhanced outrage and polarization. It’s very easy to find a couple of points about anyone, that someone can find a non-trivial amount of people dislike.This is the real danger of our polarized times. People are unwilling to stand for other’s inalienable natural rights, and instead prefer to only stick out for their perceived allies in the culture wars. This means that nobody is truly above being tarred and feathered by a highly motivated group of activists.
Note: Nothing has to be fabricated. People are naturally quite different and there are going to be real and meaningful disagreements. It is our responsibility to ensure those disagreements are handled properly and fairly, rather than wage culture war with the justice in the balance.
3. Shut down or shut out the target without any due process or means to appeal on factual grounds
Again, ironically it’s not really about the target, it’s about the power to be seized from an opportunity. There are all kinds of means to burden a target with fines, reputational harm, or even violence without providing a fair an impartial hearing. In fact, even a guilty target being convicted would be counter-productive, because the goal is to use the perceived injustice to justify further excesses.4. Broaden the scope of targets
As the target is removed from play it doesn’t matter anymore who is on what side anymore. You can now use that incident as a precedent justify the same action on unrelated targets. Instead of addressing matters on their merits, instead you can smear critics as being accomplices of the target, or just as profane. With the mechanism in place, people who gain from exploiting it will be motivated to keep the narrative in place, and to continue to silence those who speak out against it.The road to serfdom
Let’s pretend for a moment that we will fully intend to use this power for the benefit of all. Despite mainstream social media giants being unable to fully eliminate criminal activity of their networks, we’re going to deputize ISPs to police every interaction online.With means like online identity verification, criminals and deplorables alike will be able to be entirely purged from the Internet merely at the cost of an increasingly powerful bureaucracy monitoring, blocking, or altering people’s communications. The process itself becomes the problem. Instead of actually resolving the problem we have merely concentrated more power into a more consolidated structure that becomes ripe for abuse.
Not going to be shocked it it's been posted before but seemed like a good read / maybe somebody worth talking to?
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Looks like I'm back on Tor for the time being until the DDoS subsides. 
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Seems that when some people perceive there to be a threat against their illegally acquired drugs that they perform other illegal acts. Almost like an addict.Looks like I'm back on Tor for the time being until the DDoS subsides.
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There wasn't even a threat to their precious illegal troonshine before they Pearl Harbored us for the dozenth or so time. Our patience has been lengthy, but there's an end to everything.
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I was browsing random sites with Tor and got this:
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Oh that really makes me mad. Here's some ranting for you.
I hate how almost the entire internet is gated behind cloudflare. If you want to not expose your ass to a website and use Tor then you have to click the box... wait 10 seconds... then click it again, maybe only once if you are REALLY lucky, maybe it will just loop forever! Get clickin button boy! Can't let it run in the background!
This garbage still happens with VPNs too... It is liks they want to make the internet as unbearable as possible for people who want privacy. Fortunately there is a way around it I found, but it would be extremely easy for them to fix I dare not speak it.
All in all, I wish cloudflare dead and replaced with kiwiflare because you just have to wait with kiwiflare.
I hate how almost the entire internet is gated behind cloudflare. If you want to not expose your ass to a website and use Tor then you have to click the box... wait 10 seconds... then click it again, maybe only once if you are REALLY lucky, maybe it will just loop forever! Get clickin button boy! Can't let it run in the background!
This garbage still happens with VPNs too... It is liks they want to make the internet as unbearable as possible for people who want privacy. Fortunately there is a way around it I found, but it would be extremely easy for them to fix I dare not speak it.
All in all, I wish cloudflare dead and replaced with kiwiflare because you just have to wait with kiwiflare.
Yonjuichi
kiwifarms.net
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I don't know if this is the best place to post this but I wanted to celebrate with you fellow kiwis over bad things happening to people who deserve it.
Matthew Prince, the scared little bitch who banned kiwifarms from cloudflare had an oopsie woopsie. His overpriced luxury truck needed a glass replacement which cost.....
FOUR THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED THIRTY TWO DOLLARS
omg! guys! How will he ever recover:
Archive:
Not only that, he had a "jaw-dropping" 8000 usd repair bill for fixing a "cosmetic" dent in the bumper. Lmfao.
I love how the article says he has a net worth of 553 million usd. Five hundred fifty three million USD. And not only is he whining about, expensive but dirt cheap to nobles, repair bill for his luxury electric truck but when he whines he has a journo help milk sympathy points for his noble tears. Lol. People around the world live on less than what this man probably gives others in the form of tips. You don't see sympathy articles about the poors having to supplement their diet with sawdust, tree bark, and rocks. Or for the first worlders living in forever debt. Whenever it is mentioned it's for poverty porn. Like 'oh look isn't this awful, wow poverty sure does suck guys.' Where this guy cries and it's a call to action for Rivian to change.
I'm getting off topic. Fun fact also mentioned in the article, the rear bumper is one panel which connects to the roof of the truck. If you dent it in, it's a 42k repair bill. It sure would be awful if a poor with actual problems took a bat to this part of his car. Not that anyone would do that because the Rivian has a 'sentry' mode. It is covered with always recording cameras. So, you would have to cover your face and approach it from far away. No one would do that to poor Matthew Prince ofc. That would be very sad and make the spoiled brat cry a lot, but he deserves something like that to happen to him. He can afford it, and I wonder if the journo slid that 42k factoid in the article because he secretly hopes it happens to Prince as well.
Matthew Prince, the scared little bitch who banned kiwifarms from cloudflare had an oopsie woopsie. His overpriced luxury truck needed a glass replacement which cost.....
FOUR THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED THIRTY TWO DOLLARS
omg! guys! How will he ever recover:
Archive:
Not only that, he had a "jaw-dropping" 8000 usd repair bill for fixing a "cosmetic" dent in the bumper. Lmfao.
I love how the article says he has a net worth of 553 million usd. Five hundred fifty three million USD. And not only is he whining about, expensive but dirt cheap to nobles, repair bill for his luxury electric truck but when he whines he has a journo help milk sympathy points for his noble tears. Lol. People around the world live on less than what this man probably gives others in the form of tips. You don't see sympathy articles about the poors having to supplement their diet with sawdust, tree bark, and rocks. Or for the first worlders living in forever debt. Whenever it is mentioned it's for poverty porn. Like 'oh look isn't this awful, wow poverty sure does suck guys.' Where this guy cries and it's a call to action for Rivian to change.
I'm getting off topic. Fun fact also mentioned in the article, the rear bumper is one panel which connects to the roof of the truck. If you dent it in, it's a 42k repair bill. It sure would be awful if a poor with actual problems took a bat to this part of his car. Not that anyone would do that because the Rivian has a 'sentry' mode. It is covered with always recording cameras. So, you would have to cover your face and approach it from far away. No one would do that to poor Matthew Prince ofc. That would be very sad and make the spoiled brat cry a lot, but he deserves something like that to happen to him. He can afford it, and I wonder if the journo slid that 42k factoid in the article because he secretly hopes it happens to Prince as well.
Tismguide
kiwifarms.net
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Regarding KF not showing up in Google search results: KF has definitely moved down the search results, but I can still find hits for both the .hk and .net domain on Google for a few queries, such as dsp pignosis and "ash gassem". A few other queries consisting of phrases I found on the site do not turn up any hits, even with "site:kf", and I got hits for "ash gassem" but not dsp pignosis a few weeks back. That makes me think the site is ranked very low and perhaps not being crawled fully, but searching "site:kf" does find many pages, and I can get kf results even without it.
The simplest explanation IMO is that the long downtime, slow loading times, and KiwiFlare caused the site's ranking to plummet. If the long downtime/new domain forced the site to "start over" rather than keeping its prior ranking, perhaps it's harder to build that up now because fewer sites link to the farms? That would also explain the DDoS a bit better if it has this effect. Google has been open about page load time, downtime, etc hurting search ranking.
TL;DR I think this can be explained by the troons having money and SEO expertise alone, and we can't be confident that Google is deliberately keeping us down directly. Sure they make the rules and get to define the words, but that's different from some Google troon typing "kiwifarms.net" into an internal tool and clicking "shut it down" the way Cogent presumably is. That said, Bing sure does have the results a lot higher up.
The simplest explanation IMO is that the long downtime, slow loading times, and KiwiFlare caused the site's ranking to plummet. If the long downtime/new domain forced the site to "start over" rather than keeping its prior ranking, perhaps it's harder to build that up now because fewer sites link to the farms? That would also explain the DDoS a bit better if it has this effect. Google has been open about page load time, downtime, etc hurting search ranking.
TL;DR I think this can be explained by the troons having money and SEO expertise alone, and we can't be confident that Google is deliberately keeping us down directly. Sure they make the rules and get to define the words, but that's different from some Google troon typing "kiwifarms.net" into an internal tool and clicking "shut it down" the way Cogent presumably is. That said, Bing sure does have the results a lot higher up.
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The claim is that the homepage doesn’t show up, which as I recall still does not
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I'd also guess the few people who give so little of a shit about tard warriors that they'd actually link KF content would use an archive site because they'd a) know about archive sites and b) know KF is sometimes down for extended periods of time.
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ETA: I thought we were but it's redirecting back to .hk.
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The Kiwifarms telegram channel seems to be no longer restricted?
You can view the channel preview again without signing in.
t.me
Out of nowhere lol.
You can view the channel preview again without signing in.
Kiwi Farms
Announcements and coordination during downtime. Previews have been disabled by Telegram, sorry.
t.me
Out of nowhere lol.