I have a theory on the downfall of the West - I think the elites are making a very simple mistake of only looking at mathematical measured outcomes instead of the larger picture

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How should a government judge it is doing the right thing once in power?

  • Look to the statistics where they disagree with the upset

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  • Look to the upset where they disagree with the statistics

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  • Blind Ideology alone steers the ship of state

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  • Never try anything large, Herbert Hoover did nothing wrong

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Sweetpeaa said:
The U.S declined the moment it began to lose its middle class in the the late 2000's after the recession.
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Overfinancialization of society + the funneling of monetary policy into non-productive capital (bubbles) + the pursuit of the almighty GDP as a measure of political success?

I suppose if the average American is being exorbitantly overcharged on their rent/mortgage and doctor's fees while their factory is being outsourced (they can learn to code though!), that might help push the GDP up by a fraction of a percentage, though one's perceptions of quality of life might beg to differ.
 
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Dyn said:
"The West" is doing perfectly fine people are just mad that women and brown people have the same rights as them.
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They have had the same rights for decades now, it means fuck all what color your skin is anymore, what does matter is where you are born, namely nationality and class. If you're a rich third worlder you're still a third worlder even if you're blond and blue eyed, thats why E1 and E2 visas exists, and even thats not the same than the free citizenship every single one of these black faggots from blm are born with and bitch about

Fact is a black woman born in burgerland is a 100 times better off than a white latino born in a latino country by the mere fact that she was born on the other side of an "imaginary line" that changes everything. That same black woman would be fucked if she was born in africa, the land of black people where theres no whitey keeping her down but everybody is poor as fuck because black dictators have stolen trillions from their countries for the past 60 years. Also some other tribe might decide she's the devil and cut her arms and legs off then put a tire around her neck and set her on fire, but again its not racism because racism is power+prejudice, also black people cant be racist
Whatsup bud? said:
After seeing the 10th "west is dying" thread on here I'm starting to think some of y'all are hoping it happens. I mean, I get the appeal but let's all calm down.
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Not really, not a fan of the west but the alternative is a chink-dominated world so I rather stick with the status quo
 
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Dyn said:
I live in a civilised country and already enjoy the benefits of free healthcare, thank you.
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The offer still stands, dont go shitting yourself at the prospect of living in a more diverse country, or are you racist?
 
The west may be doomed, but I dont suppose the solution is to go back to "traditions". I would more so support that we all have manual labor, and more so support a system of those to work under specific classes. Maybe regulated capitalism? Unironically, I believe most of us indulge into ethical egoism.

I think the whole issue with trannies is that people don't realize we are perpetuating the whole "if someone acts as a stereotype for a man/woman, they are that gender." Which supports the idea that someone should transition if they merely act like a woman/man. This supports pharmacists and whatnot, as well as old scientists which made up the concept of malebrain and ladybrain. If we use an imaginary boogeyman and a scapegoat of "oh, it's women's and brownie's faults" instead of flat out admitting that it's ethical egoism and powerups using liberalism to cater to, while using it to pander to cover up their whole artificiality and their experiments on us, surely you must admit that they've done this back then as well?

We can play semantics and go on and on on how we shouldn't have given these people rights, however, that doesn't change the fact that even in male dominated countries, it's still a shithole, though you may use the excuse that it's because they're colored and are genetically wrong, shouldn't we admit that both genders are using each other that's causing the doom of this artificial society?

What solution do we have here? To continue using propaganda of "traditions must return!"? It seems like a cope. Most of the women who fall into that entrapment are just lazy women who dont wan't to work or have education, and don't even know how to have any life skills. The same men who believes this are either neets or men who work dead end jobs, and either coom themselves to death or use religion/etc as scapegoats for their morality. "Male brains" are the cause of sexual entitlement, degeneracy, and rape (If we continue using old biology). I think it has little to do with their dicks because these limp-cocked or inverted-cocked trannies are even more sex obsessed than your average male. Why do you think most men who are against porn are merely against it for the fact that it causes issues to their dick, instead of the fact that it exploits women?

Meanwhile, women fall for the entrapment of sexualization and pander to political agenda and are guilty of being enablers. They're coddled and use their vaginas as an excuse to use victim complexes. They are looked at as more emotional, so they use that for their own advantage. They compete with other women and constantly strive to be #1 female. They either become tradwomen who are just fucking lazy, or liberal feminists who perpetuate materialistic systems, such as makeup and whatnot.

I don't believe in using groups as imaginary boogeymans, though, surely, you have to realize a lot of the so proclaimed
"trad cath" males on these sites of media (be it twitter, insta, etc) also tell women who are working that they're useless as well. I think we all should work under specific classes. Classes that are aligned to our ability. I think we all should learn the same life skills. I think we should stop coddling women, or more so, stop using them for beauty and whatnot, while they should stop using men for status and finances.

Tl;dr: The west is doomed by everyone. Even back in traditions; we believed the government and allowed them to treat us in any way. I don't think that's a solution either. I believe it's also superficiality of both genders. We have gone to needing to be relished by self gratifications, that we all became desenitized and just don't know how to appreciate things anymore. Maybe go back to spartan days, to where we all worked in labor? Soz for the schizo tangent.
 
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nekomadi said:
The west may be doomed, but I dont suppose the solution is to go back to "traditions". I would more so support that we all have manual labor, and more so support a system of those to work under specific classes. Maybe regulated capitalism? Unironically, I believe most of us indulge into ethical egoism.

I think the whole issue with trannies is that people don't realize we are perpetuating the whole "if someone acts as a stereotype for a man/woman, they are that gender." Which supports the idea that someone should transition if they merely act like a woman/man. This supports pharmacists and whatnot, as well as old scientists which made up the concept of malebrain and ladybrain. If we use an imaginary boogeyman and a scapegoat of "oh, it's women's and brownie's faults" instead of flat out admitting that it's ethical egoism and powerups using liberalism to cater to, while using it to pander to cover up their whole artificiality and their experiments on us, surely you must admit that they've done this back then as well?

We can play semantics and go on and on on how we shouldn't have given these people rights, however, that doesn't change the fact that even in male dominated countries, it's still a shithole, though you may use the excuse that it's because they're colored and are genetically wrong, shouldn't we admit that both genders are using each other that's causing the doom of this artificial society?

What solution do we have here? To continue using propaganda of "traditions must return!"? It seems like a cope. Most of the women who fall into that entrapment are just lazy women who dont wan't to work or have education, and don't even know how to have any life skills. The same men who believes this are either neets or men who work dead end jobs, and either coom themselves to death or use religion/etc as scapegoats for their morality. "Male brains" are the cause of sexual entitlement, degeneracy, and rape (If we continue using old biology). I think it has little to do with their dicks because these limp-cocked or inverted-cocked trannies are even more sex obsessed than your average male. Why do you think most men who are against porn are merely against it for the fact that it causes issues to their dick, instead of the fact that it exploits women?

Meanwhile, women fall for the entrapment of sexualization and pander to political agenda and are guilty of being enablers. They're coddled and use their vaginas as an excuse to use victim complexes. They are looked at as more emotional, so they use that for their own advantage. They compete with other women and constantly strive to be #1 female. They either become tradwomen who are just fucking lazy, or liberal feminists who perpetuate materialistic systems, such as makeup and whatnot.

I don't believe in using groups as imaginary boogeymans, though, surely, you have to realize a lot of the so proclaimed
"trad cath" males on these sites of media (be it twitter, insta, etc) also tell women who are working that they're useless as well. I think we all should work under specific classes. Classes that are aligned to our ability. I think we all should learn the same life skills. I think we should stop coddling women, or more so, stop using them for beauty and whatnot, while they should stop using men for status and finances.

Tl;dr: The west is doomed by everyone. Even back in traditions; we believed the government and allowed them to treat us in any way. I don't think that's a solution either. I believe it's also superficiality of both genders. We have gone to needing to be relished by self gratifications, that we all became desenitized and just don't know how to appreciate things anymore. Maybe go back to spartan days, to where we all worked in labor? Soz for the schizo tangent.
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nod nod nod nod

the solution is to stop trying to push transhumanism and ais/automation as humanitys "hope". stop using numbers, metrics, and algorithms for everything.
stop trying to "increase productivity" which just leads to everyone burning out.

you dont need 3 people to shit out rapidly the exact same carbon copies according to a policy and make hand over fist cash which ends up hoarded. you need 9 people doing equal work and bringing different skills and ideas for living wages and working at a healthy pace for body, mind, and soul.

i wish we could return as close as we can to a barter system with apprenticeships and trades.
focus on the present and resource creation in small chunks (think tribes, small town style), and away from single-fulfillment centers/factories like beezo's wagie camps.

of course, its a pipe dream, so i just cope by going to renaissance larps on the weekends and refusing to install anything work related on my personal phone.
 
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Large said:
STOP DOING MATH
NUMBERS WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN NAMES
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lol

math is cool. metrics are a neat way to identify things like disease vectors, poverty rates, or just how many patrons a library gets, or what type of bagels sell best on what days of the week.

but when smucks with a startups and those holding the reigns of the mega-american-corperations start using it....
they think just plugging numbers in and dumping funds into "analyzing" their low-level workers will magically produce the perfect answer to get more profit for less and fix all their issues that stem from undervaluing labor. it's a spiral of delusion and blame shifting.

recently had a CEO tell me their company struggles with communication, turnover, and maximizing efficiency and is paying out the ass to an analytics firm over it.

i do pretty mundane but numbers heavy work (inventory control/management with a focus on perishable goods)

the issue that thebworkers voice is that they are expected to use 3-4 different apps/platforms to log every. single. action they take/report each other for fuckups on, and in exchange, the bosses are supposed to use these apps to message/send out instructions and updates.

the reasons are to "track productivity" and "cut back on time wasted talking verbally".

but the bosses flat out don't bother to use it for communication (they all traditionally email each other/text) and dont view or engage with their direct reports at ALL on it, and then on top of it all, consistently blame those direct reports for not knowing exactly what was expected and put them on "performance improvement plans" (PIPS).

things could have been a 30 second exchange for a low-rung employee like taking out the trash is now:

>still have to ask verbally to do thing
>now have to wait for boss to make task in app
>actually do it
>now complete it in app
>if not logged, get written up for insubordination

instead of being present and engaged with their employees and the physical work/world these retards want to isolate themselves on their laptops in a conference room and waste money trying to figure out why nothing gets done and why people keep quitting.

of course, when i said this in a professional way, i got "oh ive been starting companies for x and y years, if you really had a solution, youd be somewhere else making more money"...

then why the fuck am i here in a meeting with you?

anyways i think math is neat and useful but also maybe we should give numbers new names just for fun. i propose that three, four, and five should be relabeled one number called "a few". y'know, for productivity!
 
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