Containment Idea Guy / Joshua Wise (Manipulating the intellecutally disabled for fun) Megathread

[zap2theextreme]

so whats so special about this troll that got Chris to believe he's rosechu instead of calling him on his bullshit?

 

[shecameforcwc]

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[Done]

So if I made a twitter account pretending to be the true and honest Rosechu and said that I was communicating from the CWCville dimension he would believe me?

Lol someone is doing that right now and is protesting that she is female in Chris's mentions. To no avail of course.

Chris has trained himself to ignore weens. Unless they're making themselves seem like they're agreeing with him on stuff, then he can't resist not interacting with them.

The puzzling thing is, that's actually less true now than it ever has been. Chris has non-troll IRL friends now and some sort of social life. So how is he sliding this far into delusion? If Chris were living the life we stereotype him as having, where he literally does nothing but rot in the Hoard, I wouldn't see anything unusual about this, but you'd think contact with the real world would snap him out of it. Do his friends just tune him out and smile and nod whenever he talks?

In addition to what Marvin said, keep in mind that said friends can't be with him all day, they have jobs to attend, sleep to be had, errands to be done and families to be with. This leaves Chris with significant chunks of the day to be with himself and think up exceptional things.

My thing is this...why isn't this ok in his mind? Is he jealous that a fellow transwoman has found love with a man and has kids?

To be honest...he could have EASILY retconned this as "Rosechu was trans but felt unsafe telling me...back in the day I was not as kind to the LGBQRSTUV". Remember? Back in the day where he said he would RATHER DIE then cut off his dick? And how he want to kill and/or 'cure' all the gays?

I think it's partly due to his autism, autists in general despise change, especially when it is imposed by an outside force, and whether or not Chris likes Rosechu, she (or in reality whoever impersonates her) is an outside force in this case.

So he's complying, but is also being a dick about it and trying to find an out (which is funny, because he then acknowledges that they are fictional characters that he completely controls).

Also, remember that Chris is shocked and upset that the trolls were right! Chris historically has went to great lengths to never give the trolls a single inch. He completely despises the idea that he will have to let the trolls win here one way or another. You can also see how upset he is by looking at how he typed his initial post: full of Random Capitalizations and ALL CAPS WORDS.

 

[Raiken]

What is it that made him dial the crazy over 11 and toss the dial away? It hapened right after quin too, did the crushing truth that he will be alone forever break him?

 

[Kosher Dill]

What is Chris' creative process like these days, I wonder. Does he try to "tune in" to the insanity dimension or is he pretty much just waiting for "natives" to message him and fill him in on what's going on in his own head?

 

[trueandhonestfan]

Nah, everyone and their grandma has tried that. They're terrible at it and Chris calls them on their bullshit immediately.

So what makes this troll special? Is there somebody who's vouching for them?

I'm hoping this mystery troll comes and posts his interactions or somebody convinces Chris to leak the messages.

What is it that made him dial the crazy over 11 and toss the dial away? It hapened right after quin too, did the crushing truth that he will be alone forever break him?

There's a troll influencing him here. It could be someone claiming to be Rosechu (in which case I'm interested to know how they tricked Chris), maybe they've been messaging Chris and have something to leak and they're making him say this (I'm not sure how likely this is, but it reminds me of when Chris had to say it was okay to be gay or called himself gay but held his Optimus Prime toy to keep him straight), or maybe some ween is just paying him out the ass to say what they want.

I don't know if they took advantage of Chris being upset over Jessica dumping him (which I doubt since he only talked about her a couple times after the "break up").

The Rosechu theory makes me wonder if someone else (or the same person) claimed to be Graduon to get Chris to put the prison camps into CWCville since Chris claimed Graduon was the nazi.

 

[Avery Chicoine's Personal Cuckold]

Was it a talking penis though like someone once opted on mumble back in the Clyde Cash days?

And if so, does Rosechu keep it in a jar and talk to it from time to time?

 

[Mogambo]

So... is this the result of more trolling or is it Chris trying to ham-fistedly shove his tranny fetish bullshit into everything? Either way it's exceptional.

 

[ZehnBoat]

i don't think i wanna be on mr. chandlers wild ride anymore

 

[Pony Horn]

So... is this the result of more trolling or is it Chris trying to ham-fistedly shove his tranny fetish bullshit into everything? Either way it's exceptional.

I re-read Chris' posts after Marvin posted and I can see that Chris is legitimately upset and not doing one of his faux "ZOMG, terrible things are happening in CWCville! We must fix it!" things.

So yeah. A guy weariing a skirt is traumatized because one of his imaginary characters is trans.

Edit: because I didn't answer your question. It sure looks like a troll.

 

[A Flying Nun]

I'm becoming convinced that if we - for example - spent a year or two telling Chris he was an avid supporter of Donald Trump, then after many months of raging and macing innocent bystanders, he would eventually become an avid supporter of Donald Trump.

 

[Princess Kiwi]

I'm becoming convinced that if we - for example - spent a year or two telling Chris he was an avid supporter of Donald Trump, then after many months of raging and macing innocent bystanders, he would eventually become an avid supporter of Donald Trump.

From the little bit that I've seen of him, he seems to be almost completely controlled by his environment. Him "becoming a woman" adds kinda a lot of evidence to the theory that "those that can't get a woman, become their own ideal woman".
However, even though it would be interesting to see what other theories might be true, his life is what matters, and he should be set free from the torture that others inflict on im and I hope that he sees that sexuality is not something to be valued, certainly not as much as he does.
A person's freedom of mind and good health is important. It's never good for anyone to suffer for the amusement of others.

 

[Mogambo]

I re-read Chris' posts after Marvin posted and I can see that Chris is legitimately upset and not doing one of his faux "ZOMG, terrible things are happening in CWCville! We must fix it!" things.

It's always interested me that things in his shitty imaginary cartoon world are more traumatic to him than real life incidents. He gives the trolls waaay too much control over CWCville. I mean, I get that he thinks it's real, but it still fascinates me that someone saying his character is gay gets him this upset. Hell, killing Simonla actually seems to have broken Chris. Given that CWCville and Sonichu were always for him, not us, and that half this stuff is in his head canon and hasn't been written down anyway, one wonders why he doesn't just stop posting about it online at this point. It'd solve a lot of his problems.

So yeah. A guy weariing a skirt is traumatized because one of his imaginary characters is trans.

Which is another reason I've suspected Chris isn't really "trans" in the first place. I'm not trying to gatekeep, I don't have an agenda here, but Chris definitely still seems to have a certain amount of discomfort over the whole thing. In particular he went on an autistic binge of making everything and everything LGBTQ in his comics, including his own cartoon avatars... but conspicuously excluding Sonichu himself. Yeah I get that the comic is now mostly about cartoon Chris frolicking with ponies but it still seems a rather glaring omission to me.

I'm becoming convinced that if we - for example - spent a year or two telling Chris he was an avid supporter of Donald Trump, then after many months of raging and macing innocent bystanders, he would eventually become an avid supporter of Donald Trump.

I think there's a certain amount of truth to this. Chris is highly susceptible to suggestion, though he tends to take it in very unpredictable ways. Like I still think a big part of the trans thing comes from the trolls and the suggestion he "get in touch with his feminine side." Yes he had weird gender issues before, but I think the way it now manifest (him dressing like a bag lady and obsessing over MLP) comes from a weird combination of autism, trolling and pop culture.

I personally don't advocate interesting with Chris, even for the old inner circle, but I would still probably laugh if someone got Chris to believe more weird bullshit and produce some quality content. Hell him freaking out about Rosechu's pickle is hilarious already. Much better than more pony shit.

From the little bit that I've seen of him, he seems to be almost completely controlled by his environment. Him "becoming a woman" adds kinda a lot of evidence to the theory that "those that can't get a woman, become their own ideal woman".

Yeah, certainly to an extent. The whole trans thing is interesting in that Chris is so isolated and naive that it seems very odd to me, but then again all the Lolcows seem to be latching onto the trans identity. Many of them much worse than Chris actually. They make it the whole crux of their identity! It seems to be the "hip," "trendy" thing in pop culture right now, so for whatever reason that seems to be where they're getting it from. Tumblr is one helluva drug. But Chris seems so disinterested in media and pop culture that I honestly wonder where he was exposed to so much of it.

The other interesting thing about the tranny crap is it seems to be more younger people seizing on it. Most of our Lolcows seem to be what? In their 30s about? And they are picking up on teenager trends and trying to act like they're still in high school. I mean I get that they wouldn't be Lolcows if they acted like relatively reasonable adults but still interesting. I'm very curious to see what happens when the tranny crap is no longer "popular." Will they move on to being transracial? Go back to being "Otherkin" or something?

However, even though it would be interesting to see what other theories might be true, his life is what matters, and he should be set free from the torture that others inflict on im and I hope that he sees that sexuality is not something to be valued, certainly not as much as he does.
A person's freedom of mind and good health is important. It's never good for anyone to suffer for the amusement of others.

At this point I fear the damage has already been done. We've fucked up Chris' life almost as much as he has.

 

[BigTubboWithLittleChina]

It's always interested me that things in his shitty imaginary cartoon world are more traumatic to him than real life incidents

Possibly because CWCville and his version of Ponyland are meant to be his perfect place. Patti can not die, but simply regenerate into a humanoid superhero. Bob isn't dead, he's a loving pony parent to little Night Star. In brief, they're cumulatively the place where Chris can pretend the bad things of the real world didn't happen.

So, when a troll breaches their defences in however small a way, Chris experiences almost Platonic angst.

 

[Marvin]

So what makes this troll special? Is there somebody who's vouching for them?

I'm hoping this mystery troll comes and posts his interactions or somebody convinces Chris to leak the messages.

To start with, this troll had a bit of subtlety. They didn't just come out and say "lol, I'm rosechu and I'm a tranny". I've read hundreds of ween attempts over the years. Just a bit of subtlety puts this troll ahead of hundreds of weens.

They also got Chris to respond to them. Chris is very good at ignoring people's messages. And I mean that he doesn't even read them. For a long time, people would mail Chris "dox" on "Clyde Cash", in an attempt to get Chris to respond with gratitude, thus carving out an opening for a conversation. But Chris got wise to them and didn't read them. As soon as he read the first sentence "hey Chris I'm a huge fan I've got dox on clyde cash ..." he stopped reading and forwarded it to people like Rob Bell and whichever asspatters he had on call at the time to analyze and if necessary, send the FBI to deal with. (Rob Bell and asspatters never offered to do this service for Chris, he just assumed they'd act as his personal secretary.)

Then after they got Chris to respond at least once, then Chris is still highly suspicious that someone's fucking with him. He would've asked for proof. They must've come up with something convincing.

Chris developed a hard external shell in the early days of trolling. But once you're in, you're home free. Chris puts all his defenses on keeping you out, because his critical thinking skills are dogshit. If he had to apply nuance during the course of a relationship, he'd make fuckups left and right. Hell, even neurotypical people do this. How many jealous, neurotypical people in relationships spergily hyperanalyze their partner's behavior, looking for signs of cheating? Chris knows that having to constantly analyze a relationship for signs of subterfuge is a game that never ends, and furthermore, he's bad at that game.

So yeah, Chris doesn't talk to other people, and when he does, he's suspicious. But if you can get him to talk to you, and then get past his suspicion, you're home free. Hundreds of people have tried this as a cold approach, maybe 3-4 people have succeeded to become an actual troll. Rosechu right now is one of those handful of people.

 

[Done]

Then after they got Chris to respond at least once, then Chris is still highly suspicious that someone's fucking with him. He would've asked for proof. They must've come up with something convincing.

Your post is very informative, but I think I have something to add here.

The evidence in question doesn't have to be something you'd find convincing, it has to convince Chris himself, which is both easier and harder than it seems. Because Chris is an idiot who can, has and still believes a lot of unbelievable & exceptional stuff, but at the same time can easily ignore very credible evidence and arguments on some things, such as the Aspergers/Autism relationship for example, or the meaning of the word 'Naive'.

Providing evidence that's credible to Chris used to be easier in the classic days, because the trolls back then had moles in nearly every online interaction Chris had, and sometimes even IRL ones. Now because Chris and the trolls have largely stayed out of each other's reach, it's harder (but not impossible) to know what would be successful bait for Chris to accept that initial contact.

 

[Jack Awful]

I'm becoming convinced that if we - for example - spent a year or two telling Chris he was an avid supporter of Donald Trump, then after many months of raging and macing innocent bystanders, he would eventually become an avid supporter of Donald Trump.

Nah, the only way for that to happen would be if all the LGBT facebook accounts and feminist celebrities he gets all his news and opinions from suddenly did a 180 and started loving Trump, which won't happen.

 

[Marvin]

Your post is very informative, but I think I have something to add here.

The evidence in question doesn't have to be something you'd find convincing, it has to convince Chris himself, which is both easier and harder than it seems. Because Chris is an idiot who can, has and still believes a lot of unbelievable & exceptional stuff, but at the same time can easily ignore very credible evidence and arguments on some things, such as the Aspergers/Autism relationship for example, or the meaning of the word 'Naive'.

Providing evidence that's credible to Chris used to be easier in the classic days, because the trolls back then had moles in nearly every online interaction Chris had, and sometimes even IRL ones. Now because Chris and the trolls have largely stayed out of each other's reach, it's harder (but not impossible) to know what would be successful bait for Chris to accept that initial contact.

Yeah, this is a good thing to keep in mind.

Chris believes in tons of stupid things. But he can make up stupid things himself. Why does he need you? So for example, if you come in and say "lol, I can make u a real girl", Chris would scoff at you, because he's doing that himself right now. (As he believes.)

So telling Chris that you're Rosechu isn't enough, because Chris already believed he had a psychic link to Rosechu and cwcville. Someone would've had to do something beyond that. And it's kind of hard to tell from our perspective what that "something" is. What seems convincing and obvious to a normal person wouldn't convince Chris, and vice versa.

 

[BigTubboWithLittleChina]

Possibly - and it's as hell - some very clever and persistent troll came at him initially with a suitably flattering 'oh wow - you're psychic? Hey, me too' approach, built on that gradually, went via 'I've visited CWCville as well', to 'hey - guess what Rosechu said to me when I bumped into her...'

It would take some real perseverance and slyness, but someone claiming to be passing on Rosechu's words, rather than being Rosechu herself, at least seems plausible to me.

 

[Bubbleman]

Possibly - and it's as hell - some very clever and persistent troll came at him initially with a suitably flattering 'oh wow - you're psychic? Hey, me too' approach, built on that gradually, went via 'I've visited CWCville as well', to 'hey - guess what Rosechu said to me when I bumped into her...'

It would take some real perseverance and slyness, but someone claiming to be passing on Rosechu's words, rather than being Rosechu herself, at least seems plausible to me.

The one problem with that though, is what happens when Chris says "nuh uh, I just talked to Rosechu too and she said you're lying!" This makes me think the idea of a troll actually convincing him that they are Rosechu herself is more plausible than a troll convincing him they just spoke to her.